The Knicks’ decade of irrelevance continues. From Marc Stein of ESPN: So, Carmelo Anthony needs to ask himself how badly he wants to play with Amare Stoudemire, as opposed to how badly he wants to play basketball in the New York area in general. If he only cares about the latter, then this is the best way to do it. Multi-team trades almost never go through, but this one has a real shot, IMO.
It gets worse for New York.... This deal would open up cap space and make the Nets a better suitor for Free Agents in 2011 and especially 2012. The Nets have the right idea BTW...they need to CLEAR EVERYBODY and stick to Melo and Brook Lopez. Then add a FA in 2011...make the playoffs as a mid seed...round out the team in 2012, and then lose to Miami in the ECF's every year.
On the flip side...I used to get very weary of any deal that finds the mythical suitor for Kirelenko's terrible deal. Now that he expires...he is the hottest commodity out there.
...and basketball dies in Denver. I know you disagree, Sec - but I think with the financial situation a lot of teams are in already, killing off small-market teams to make super teams is going to come back and bite the NBA in the ***. It draws in casual fans but kills off the loyal fan base in small markets. The NBA is already propping up a few franchises and losing money for having to do so; this is just going to compound that problem. It is much like the MLB - they may be techinically making more money than ever, but the long-term health of the sport is in jeopardy as you watch some small-market teams die out. Realizing the NFL has a huge advantage (22 guys on field at a time, less individual impact) the fact that they make Indianapolis and Green Bay relevant helps that sport grow as fans everywhere support their teams.
The Nets are not doing anything wrong here. THEIR assets are better. The BETTER run franchises are the ones that are setting themselves up. Look at what Detroit did. The Pistons had a mini-dynasty in the EC...built by Joe Dumars....he cleared cap space and then spent it like an idiot on Ben Gordon and Charlie Villenueva. This is about Brain Power. The Nets evidently "get it."
Oh I don't blame the Nets - and I certainly don't blame the Heat! I am just saying that players working FA behind the scenes and demanding they play in specific markets isn't going to help the long-term health of the league. Not necessarily blaming ANYONE; just don't think it is good for the league.
Tell that to the people who stopped caring about basketball after Michael Jordan retired for the second time. Leagues with strong competition amongst a few teams prosper. Clashes of the titans cause ratings spikes and ticket sellouts for years on end.
personally i think the Nets would be giving up too much. Carmelo and Lopez is a helluva combination but losing your guard and next year's number 1 and derrick favors is too much for that. number 1 and favors ok. number one and harris ok. harris and favors ok. but all three is too much. nets wont be in brooklyn for two more years. they should have more patience. i like the nets more than the knicks so i would like to see carmello but it would be nice if he had a point guard to play with
If you believe IncarceratedBob, Isiah and Dolan are burning up the phone lines trying to convince Carmelo to play out his last year in Denver, refuse any contract extension or trade, and come to the Knicks next year.
If that were true....it would be tampering and NBA bylaws say that the penalty for that is a Ban on Melo signing with NYC.
it is not giving up too much. The deal would be better if the Nets gave up EVERYBODY on the roster except Brook Lopez for Melo. The clearing the deck strategy has worked OVER and over again. First team to do it was the Lakers to get Shaq....championship. Then the Heat...Championship......then the Celtics...Championship....Now we have the Heat, Bulls and Knicks that employed that strategy....well...at least ONE of them will get a championship.... MAKE ME, the general manager of the Nets...and I will build a monster by opening night 2012.
You won't win championships in the NBA without superstars, that is pretty much a proven fact and when you can get your hands on one you go for it without hesitation. Plus getting Melo could open the door for the Nets to bring in Chris Paul, this is such a win-win for the Nets.
Of course. But the motivation is apparently that the Knicks believe Carmelo is the centerpiece of a championship within the next 2-4 years. And David Stern treats the Knicks with kid gloves, so maybe they’ll get away with it, if true. Personally, I think that even with Carmelo, they bow out in the ECF.
More from everyone’s favorite degenerate gambler/bookie Jets fan, IncarceratedBob. Grain of salt, etc etc.
Melo was at the media day for the Nuggets yesterday and now he says he never asked to be traded.....sounds like he may be staying in Denver?
Besides, Pat Riley patented that move so they would also have a hefty court battle on their hands... KIDDING!
If you believe IncarceratedBob, the Nuggets were prepared to trade Carmelo, JR Smith, and an unnamed player for Gallo, AR, Curry, and Douglas… but the Knicks turned it down. Could be a power struggle between Walsh and Isiah.
Isiah has no role in the Knicks organization. Dolan is not the GM, Walsh is. Walsh has not even made an offer for Melo based on what I know. If its just Melo, amare, and Gallo vs your three hosses I dont give the Knicks much of a chance. If the Knicks get CP3 to complete the trifecta, then they have a very good chance in my opinion. Which is the best case scenario for NYK. That way they can sign him outright after the season ends.
A jackass? Absolutely. The guy is every stereotype about Noo Yawk combined into one bursting-at-the-seams-with-ego package. But that doesn’t mean he’s automatically wrong. Also doesn’t mean he’s automatically right. But I find it curious that this Nets trade was apparently ready to go down, suddenly the Knicks step in, and then the Knicks fall through. A war between Isiah and Walsh is a very good explanation for that.
Not sure if it's been discussed in this thread but the Sixers have as good a chance as anyone. They've already talked to the Nuggets a few times. Nuggets don't want Favors as much as they want Iguodala. Want him a lot according to SAS, who even though he's a douche, is a pretty reliable source. The 4 team trade is all but dead at this point. The Nuggets would have to take on 5 million in additional salary putting them over the luxury tax, not happening. Not too mention Nets don't want to give up too much and the Bobcats don't want to get rid of Augustine. He's not going to the Knicks, because they don't have the pieces, and aren't willing to get rid of the pieces the Nuggets do want. Bulls ain't happening. So it's pretty much between the Nets and Sixers at this point. Only problem is Philly won't trade for Carmelo if he won't resign here. But if anyone can convince Carmelo to resign here it's Doug Collins. That being said, wouldn't be shocked one bit if we see a Carmelo to NJ, Favors to Philly, Iggy to Nuggets trade + fillers. Luckily for us Rod Thorn is just the guy to get a blockbuster deal done, as evident by his time with the Nets.
Isiah has no position in the knicks organization. He is not on the payroll at all in any condition at this point. He cant be per Stern and the NCAA's ruling that you cant be in an nba organization in any capacity and be a college coach. And before any of this other silliness starts up, hes not signing an extension in Philly or GSW or Houston. That means you can put an end to those pipe dreams. He's signing with the Knicks at the end of the season. I guess GM's around the league really learned nothing from watching Lebron, Amar'e and Bosh leave for virtually nothing but 2nd round picks and trade exceptions. "Although the Nuggets have a strong interest in a trade with Philadelphia, the Sixers inability to get a long-term commitment out of Carmelo Anthony made it a "moot point," sources tell Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski. The Nuggets have reportedly coveted Andre Iguodala for some time and the Sixers have enough draft picks/extra young pieces to get a deal done. But the Sixers will not do a trade without knowing Anthony will be in Philly for years to come. That's not happening. If a deal is going down, it will likely be the four-way deal that lands Anthony in New Jersey." http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuvvrYvJD_xbWufSx7q63xw5nYcB?slug=ys-anthonynuggets092710
Isiah is involved with the Knicks again. I’m sure it feels like the Dolphins calling Wannstedt for draft advice, but the the Knicks have Isiah on speed dial because Isiah has Carmelo on speed dial.
My whole point was the Nuggets want Iguodala and we can use that to the get in a deal that sends Carmelo elsewhere, not Philly. He won't be a Knick. Nuggets won't let him walk for nothing and the chances of him being traded to the Knicks is slim to none. I still think he ends up a Net.
The nuggets don't get much say in the matter and I think this is where many people have a hard time seeing it. The time for them to deal Anthony was last year because in the final year the words " I won't sign an extension there" are the only thing that matters. This year melo has total control over where he goes and only a worthless team like gsw would make the deal without securing an extension. Igoduala is a good player but his contract means he is not an asset but a liability in a potential melo deal. That still keeps Denver in the land of the luxury tax while making them worse. Even if hypothetically the sixers or nets got melo which won't happen but if it did they still wouldnt be a top four team in the east. With Denver, melo can still be on a contending team in the west while he waits for the year to play out. Thats one reason he will stay put. The other is cause dream team two is going to happen in ny.
