A little nostalgia and just for kicks...I thought it would be interesting to chart Tannehill's rookie season vs Marino:lol:. I am by no means saying Tannehill will be Marino but let's face it. Marino was the best pure passer :pointlol:and he was the greatest qb for the Fins. I only pasted Marino from week 6 (1983) since that was his official 1st start. I'm willing to disregard RT's 1st 5 games as a mulligan for fairness. BTW, Marino did not play the last 2 games of the 1983 season because we already had the division wrapped up. God, I miss the Shula days!!!! Boy did we take that for granted.
It looks like RT is off to a good start. :up: Oh yeah i finally got my Tannehill jersey today!! I'm so psyched!!!!
WK Game Date Opp Result G GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
6 10/09 BUF L 35-38 1 -- 19 29 65.5 322 11.1 3 2 3 35 108.7 4 -4 -1.0 0 -- --
7 10/16 @ NYJ W 32-14 1 -- 17 30 56.7 225 7.5 3 0 3 10 113.9 4 4 1.0 0 -- --
8 10/23 @ BAL W 21-7 1 -- 11 18 61.1 157 8.7 2 0 0 0 126.4 4 0 0.0 0 -- --
9 10/30 RAM W 30-14 1 -- 25 38 65.8 279 7.3 2 1 0 0 94.1 2 0 0.0 1 -- --
10 11/06 @ SF W 20-17 1 -- 15 29 51.7 194 6.7 2 0 1 11 96.0 5 10 2.0 0 -- --
11 11/13 @ NE L 6-17 1 -- 14 37 37.8 141 3.8 0 1 1 15 38.2 2 18 9.0 0 -- --
12 11/20 BAL W 37-0 1 -- 14 21 66.7 240 11.4 1 0 0 0 121.1 3 11 3.7 1 -- --
13 11/28 CIN W 38-14 1 -- 18 29 62.1 217 7.5 3 0 1 3 119.5 3 2 0.7 0 -- --
14 12/04 @ HOU W 24-17 1 -- 17 26 65.4 195 7.5 1 1 0 0 84.6 1 4 4.0 0 -- --
15 12/10 ATL W 31-24 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
16 12/16 NYJ W 34-14 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -- -- --
TOTAL 11 0 173 296 58.4 2,210 7.5 20 6 10 80 96.0 28 45 1.6 2 0 0
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I hate this thread.
Yes, I know, "if you don't like the thread, don't post in it." But I don't care. Oh, and your attempt to cut and paste the stats failed. -
Why not elaborate why you hate this thread then. Maybe you'll come off as less of a jerk.Larry Little, PhinsRock, alen1 and 4 others like this.
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Isn't it obvious??? There's no need to compare ANYONE to Dan Marino. It isn't fair to Tannehill. Its futile.Dorfdad likes this.
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I believe the point of this thread is not will Ryan be the next Marino, but how is our rookie (hopefully future franchise) qb developing compared to our last franchise qb. In this instance if Ryan plays comparatively close to Dan did as a rookie I think it's a positive sign for the future. Not that Ryan will be Dan, but he could represent what Dan was to this team.dolfan7171 likes this.
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I think some of us feel any comparison to Marino is like being set up for failure, even if the numbers show otherwise.
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I don't believe in jinxes. I do believe comparing anyone to Dan Marino is misguided.
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Again, I think comparisons to Marino are less about seeing if Ryan will be the next Marino and more about will he be what Marino represented. To me that is a quarterback that we can count on when we need him. A guy that will put us on his back and carry us if he has too (like he did yesterday). But most importantly will stop the coaching carousel for the next 5-10 years (at least). If him falling short of those goals is failure than the years of poor quarterback play has lowered our standards. The best part is Ryan is already doing some of these things. I no longer cringe and worry about a stupid turnover every time we drop back to throw on 3rd and long. I now think "we just might convert this".
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Well if that's your goal, a statistical analysis isn't where you'll find your answer.
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So much this. It's ridiculous to compare the two. It's an inherently unfair comparison, and it's a sign of expectations for and excitement over Tannehill run amok.
Chad Henne was our last franchise QB. Dan Marino was our last elite QB. There is a difference.
Setting aside the inherent unfairness of this comparison, the stats used are not relatively era-independent. It's just just copy-pasting from an NFL.com stats page without regard for what the numbers actually mean and whether or not a stat posted in 1984 is on even ground with a stat posted in 2012.PhinsRock and GARDENHEAD like this. -
I don't see anything wrong with using Marino in a comparison with Tannehill. After all Marino is the benchmark for quarterbacks for the Dolphins. Just like when Tannehill broke Marino's rookie record for yardage in a game, comparisons are inevitable. I don't believe we will ever have another quarterback like Marino but he doesn't have to be another Marino to be successful as our franchise quarterback.
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I think Tannehill will eventually eclipse Marino in every way.
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I hope a few years from now this thread gets bumped as an "I told you so" moment
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HAHAHA!!! I love it 23rd....You are certainly not afraid of creating controversy on our forum. I absolutely idolized Marino growing up. I have everything from his rookie cards to an autographed football. The reality is Marino played in a different era. Corners could absolutely mug receivers when Marino played compared to today's standards. That's why I think there's way too much hoopla over these new passing records that Brees and co have accomplished.the 23rd likes this.
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Have to crawl before you can walk.
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Amen to that! Why are people upset about the thread? I like it and I feel the same way as you do.
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LOL that's how I feel!
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Maybe I'm just slow, but I can't even read the stats in this format.
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Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member
The problem is not the comparison to Marino because of Marino's stature.
The deeper problem with any such comparison is that it is far, far, far from an apples-to-apples comparison. Totally apples & oranges. The game has changed so dramatically since 1983 - nearly 30 years ago! (Hard to believe! I feel SO Old). The way the game was played, the rules, the sophistication and precision of the passing game, etc. have changed so much that such comparisons really don't fit.
Take nothing away from Drew Brees, for example, nor from his record 48 straight games with a TD pass, but that is far easier than the time that Unitas hit on 47 straight TD passes. I have no bitterness in Brees breaking the record. But the reality is, what Unitas was up against was incredibly different than Brees.
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Sheesh, you would think this wasn't a message board for people to post about things that don't really matter in the long run.
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Its not hard for Tannehill to surpass Marino, all he has to do is win a Championship.
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I agree with you on things have changed and rules are different... but you should know, that during those years that Dan was in his prime, the O-line was alowed to holdD-line players as long as they kept their hands in front of the jersey and a hold would be called only if the linemen hook his arm around and or dragged the opposing players down as they do today...
Do you remember the days of D-line men putting vaseline/grease on the front their jerseys to prevent the O-linemen from holding on to them???
Do you remember the days where the Wide Receivers would wear stick ums on the hands and gloves to help them catch more balls???
So yes the QB game has been loosen up to increase passing yards and points, but O-linemen today are not allowed to hold the front of th D-line jersey anymore...and wide receivers are no longer to use some stickum on their hands any more... that is some holding the O-lines of yesteryear got a way with... they cannot do that anymore...
Yes times have changed as well as rules... but with the changes, you could argue that the passing game has really become harder instead of easier, unless you call it even because the receiver has more liberty... and if we call it even stevens, then....
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Valid point. So lets see some Marino and Tannehill stats that don't look like mumbo jumbo!
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I think a better comparison is looking how each of them stacks up to other players in their time frame.
Marino's rookie season was really good, mostly because most rookie quarterbacks didn't really play and when they did, it wasn't well.
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I'm sorry to burst your bubble but Marino isn't the best QB there will ever be. Someone at some point will be better whether that time is now or later.
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No offense, but this is just not so. Those are anecdotal factors you are citing but they belie what really went on. That's why such anecdotal factors from memory are flawed (in fact, your memory fails: stickum - was basically gone in Marino's day; linemen greasing jerseys? - that was a late 60's early 70's phenomena that went out by the 80's for the most part; holding is basically the same today - keep your hands inside the shoulders and it's pretty much permitted). Today, O-linemen don't need to do tricks with jerseys because they wear jerseys that are practically glued to their pads and are essentially sleeveless.
But, the proof is in the pudding. And, the real factor is, the statistics just don't back up you up at all. Compare these major defensive passing stats from 2009-2011 (the past three seasons) with Marino's 1st 3 seasons:
2011
3675 yds
23.3 TDs
37 sacks
15.8 INT
82.5 Rate
2010
3545 yds
23.5 TDs
35.3 sacks
16 INT
82.2 rate
2009
3495 yds
22.2 TDs
34.4 sakcs
16.4 INT
81.2 rate
1985
3272 yds
21.4 TD
21.5 INT
46.6 sacks
70.7 rate
1984
3294 yd
22 TDs
46.9 sacks
20.9 INT
73.2 Rate
1983
3274 yds
22.3 TD
43.4 sacks
22.1 INT
73.1 rate
Average passer rating today: up about 10-12 points. Average interceptions today: down about 5-6 per team; average sacks today: down by an average of almost 10 per team per season (completely undermines your offensive linemen factor). TD's per team per season are about the same (just a tick higher). Average passing yards per team per season are up about 300 per season (avg. over the 3 seasons). This past season they were up 400 yards per team (I expect that will fluctuate a bit but continue to go up). These days, a 300 yard game is almost expected. In Marino's day, it was a very special feat; a rarity. A 400 yard game was outrageous.
As I said, and the stats show it, it's a very different game today as far as passing stats. Teams are more risk averse with INT's; the WCO is much more incorporated in some form to every offense so that passing games are much more efficient. And, clearly the sacks are not nearly as high either (even though teams are actually throwing more).Disnardo likes this. -
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Way too early and IMO somewhat futile to compare Tannehill to Dan Marino. If ten years from now we revive this thread and Tannehill has become the second coming of Dan Marino, this will be a very happy place indeed. I sure hope so, and I am VERY encouraged by what I think we have in Tannehill, let's just give him room to grow and room to slip up on occasion as he is developed.
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