Martin's struggles becoming national news??

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rafaelrafaelforum_veteran
Aug 19, 2013, 01:51 PM

"Alex13 wrote:

and then he throws it like peyton

That's a good comparison. Luck doesn't have the arm of a Marino, Elway or Big Ben (or Tannehill for that matter), but he does have a Peyton level arm, which obviously is more than enough to be very successful.

GMJohnsonGMJohnsonNew Member
Aug 19, 2013, 02:22 PM

"cuchulainn wrote:

Luck is definitely lucky. A 6th of his passes should have been INTs. Couldn't believe that DB volleyed the ball back up to Hilton in the EZ for a TD.

IIRC he had the 5th highest (out of 39) INT/dropped INT % in the league last year, 4.8% of his throws were picked off or dropped by a defender. He also took the most hits and knockdowns. The Colts had better get him a running game and a better defense if they want him to have Peyton type success and longevity.

GMJohnsonGMJohnsonNew Member
Aug 19, 2013, 02:28 PM

"djphinfan wrote:

Yo, did you see grimes plant that foot and explode?... Damn man, that's what we've been missing for a long time..I think Jamar Taylor and he will be our future..very excited about Jamar Taylor..he freakin teased me like a beautiful baby.

Terrific play by Grimes, completely stole the rookie's lunch money. The off man technique will be a key in terms of forcing TO's, it's a technique Sean Smith sucked at and it's why he's gone IMO.

7272 DolphinsNew Member
Aug 19, 2013, 02:38 PM

"GMJohnson wrote:

Terrific play by Grimes, completely stole the rookie's lunch money. The off man technique will be a key in terms of forcing TO's, it's a technique Sean Smith sucked at and it's why he's gone IMO.

Yep - Grimes showed nice there. I still doubt him being a shut down corner, but I'm starting to believe even coming off the achillies surgery, he can contribute more than any CB we have had in recent years.

It was a nice suprise for me....gotta see more of it.

ckparrotheadckparrotheadmoderator
Aug 19, 2013, 02:48 PM

Grimes had a big boy play there. I always wonder how much Will Davis is paying attention to Brent because he really ought to. It sounds corny to just copy a guy but truly, you want to be the best you do pattern after the best. Brent Grimes carries a football everywhere he goes on the practice field, so Will Davis should think about doing that too.

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SceetoSceetoforum_veteran
Aug 19, 2013, 03:09 PM

Yeah, The Grimes pick was awesome. Great positioning and timing. That's what he was supposedly good at and it appears to looking true. If the team can get some more turnovers and improve that all important turnover differential, then that alone should get the team a couple more wins. They probably would have had a couple more wins last season had our DBs been able to catch the dang ball. I hope he stays healthy.

GMJohnsonGMJohnsonNew Member
Aug 19, 2013, 03:34 PM

"ckparrothead wrote:

Grimes had a big boy play there. I always wonder how much Will Davis is paying attention to Brent because he really ought to. It sounds corny to just copy a guy but truly, you want to be the best you do pattern after the best. Brent Grimes carries a football everywhere he goes on the practice field, so Will Davis should think about doing that too.

Will Davis should think about taking a 5 yard holding/illegal contact penalty instead of allowing a 40 yard TD pass. I don't mind the over aggressiveness but when he ge's fooled he needs to minimize the damage, or he won't be seeing the field.

Fin DFin Dforum_veteran
Aug 19, 2013, 03:36 PM

I'd love to see what Grimes can do on American Ninja Warrior.

ckparrotheadckparrotheadmoderator
Aug 19, 2013, 03:54 PM

"GMJohnson wrote:

Will Davis should think about taking a 5 yard holding/illegal contact penalty instead of allowing a 40 yard TD pass. I don't mind the over aggressiveness but when he ge's fooled he needs to minimize the damage, or he won't be seeing the field.

Rookies.

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Dol-Fan DupreeDol-Fan Dupreeforum_veteran
Aug 19, 2013, 03:56 PM

"ckparrothead wrote:

Rookies.

One thing I like about Will Davis last game was his tackling of the wide receivers. While making the tackle, he was going for the swatting of the ball. That could lead to a fumble in the future.

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GMJohnsonGMJohnsonNew Member
Aug 19, 2013, 03:59 PM

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

One thing I like about Will Davis last game was his tackling of the wide receivers. While making the tackle, he was going for the swatting of the ball. That could lead to a fumble in the future.

I want to say it was Jelani Jenkins who caused that fumble on the punt return. Houston got it back but that's a damn good play by the Rook.

Alex13Alex13subscriber
Aug 19, 2013, 04:00 PM

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

One thing I like about Will Davis last game was his tackling of the wide receivers. While making the tackle, he was going for the swatting of the ball. That could lead to a fumble in the future.

i saw that too, i think he was pretty close on hitting it on the long TD he allowed

ATATLFINFANsubscriber
Aug 19, 2013, 05:29 PM

I'm not sure I would call Grimes a shut down corner, although he is a play maker.

LBLBsFinestNew Member
Aug 19, 2013, 05:33 PM

"rafael wrote:

That's a good comparison. Luck doesn't have the arm of a Marino, Elway or Big Ben (or Tannehill for that matter), but he does have a Peyton level arm, which obviously is more than enough to be very successful.

I don't think Tannehill's arm is much stronger than Luck's...probably a wash.

GMJohnsonGMJohnsonNew Member
Aug 19, 2013, 05:41 PM

"LBsFinest wrote:

I don't think Tannehill's arm is much stronger than Luck's...probably a wash.

LOLz

7272 DolphinsNew Member
Aug 19, 2013, 05:57 PM

"LBsFinest wrote:

I don't think Tannehill's arm is much stronger than Luck's...probably a wash.

Seriously? I know you love Tannehill but Luck threw the ball 70 yards into a wind on Pro Day. He has an arm Tannehill doesn't.

Just sayin... arm strength is a check mark for Luck.

FinNastyFinNastymoderator
Aug 19, 2013, 06:14 PM

"72 Dolphins wrote:

Seriously? I know you love Tannehill but Luck threw the ball 70 yards into a wind on Pro Day. He has an arm Tannehill doesn't.

Just sayin... arm strength is a check mark for Luck.

Not that it matters b/c they both can make all the throws. But Tannehill does edge out Luck in strictly arm strength. There's a WHOLE lot more to being a great QB than arm strength though.

DisgustipateDisgustipatesubscriber
Aug 19, 2013, 06:23 PM

Andrew Luck does everything the best. He's also the prettiest and the nicest.

invidinvidsubscriber
Aug 19, 2013, 06:24 PM

"FinNasty wrote:

Not that it matters b/c they both can make all the throws. But Tannehill does edge out Luck in strictly arm strength. There's a WHOLE lot more to being a great QB than arm strength though.

See: Henne, Chad.

That TD Tannehill threw to Wallace was an absolute bullet.

Danieal Manning was all like "WTF?!"

Tannehill and Wallace was like

GMJohnsonGMJohnsonNew Member
Aug 19, 2013, 06:31 PM

"Disgustipate wrote:

Andrew Luck does everything the best. He's also the prettiest and the nicest.

He doesn't always drink beer but when he does he prefers Dos Equis.

rafaelrafaelforum_veteran
Aug 19, 2013, 06:48 PM

"FinNasty wrote:

Not that it matters b/c they both can make all the throws. But Tannehill does edge out Luck in strictly arm strength. There's a WHOLE lot more to being a great QB than arm strength though.

I'm on record calling Luck the best prospect I've ever seen, but one knock on him is that he can't make some of the throws that a Tannehill or CKap can. It doesn't make him incapable. It just means that he plays the game differently than those guys do. For example CKap isn't all that good at reading defenses. He tends to see the guy open and then throw it rather than anticipate the opening. Luck anticipates it far better, but he couldn't wait as long as CKap does to pull the trigger. RT is between those two in terms of arm strength and anticipation.

djphinfandjphinfansubscriber
Aug 19, 2013, 06:53 PM

"Disgustipate wrote:

Andrew Luck does everything the best. He's also the prettiest and the nicest.

lol.

BpkBpkluxury_box
Aug 19, 2013, 06:58 PM

"Paul 13 wrote:

These are overall #'s from the first three preseason games. They are cumulative:

Martin 4.5
Incognito 2.7
Pouncey 2.1
Samuda -5.5
Clabo 0.0

bonus...
Yeatman is -1.0
Louis is .6 (19 snaps against Hou only)
Burden -.7
Garner -2.7
Adams -.8
Barker -1.2

Second batch all the less impressive as they were against 2nd and 3rd string defenders.

padre31padre31luxury_box
Aug 19, 2013, 10:30 PM

File it away that Jake Long has been far worse than Martin, which comes as no surprise, shame to see him head down hill like that so young.

maynardmaynardNew Member
Aug 19, 2013, 10:55 PM

"Disgustipate wrote:

Andrew Luck does everything the best. He's also the prettiest and the nicest.

He also sounds like Andre the Giant in interviews and PCs

Anybody want a peanut?

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