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Marvel Phases 4 & 5 Discussion

Discussion in 'TV, Music and Movies' started by Unlucky 13, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Agents of Shield gets a lot better after Winter Soldier.

    IMO, the fourth season of Agents of Shield is a master class on how to do a season of Super Hero Television. The way they were able to tell one big story while cutting it into four separate parts is how all superhero shows who want to do an American Network length season of television.
     
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    DD's height and physique were central to his character in the comics as was his Irish heritage.

    Why is Superman always cast as a physically imposing clean shaven guy with dark hair? Why is Thor blonde and blue? Ppl love Hugh Jackman as Wolverine due to being dark haired and swarthy, what Wolverine was... the knock on Jackman was his height. Too tall.

    You want to change the characteristics that make characters what they are, you might as well just create another character entirely.
     
  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Not in any of the ones I read.

    He was a weird playboy until the 90s when he was turned Catholic.

    Central to the character is that he is blind and a lawyer.

    And Jackman was too tall, however, he owns Wolverine and everyone associates Wolverine with Hugh Jackman.
     
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    Weird playboy who turned Catholic?

    I started reading DD in the 80s. His single-father Dad was an Irish boxer who was murdered for not taking a dive to try and give him a better life. He ended up in a Catholic orphanage raised by Nuns. He grew up Catholic. He was conflicted, bitter, and fighting alcoholism then. Chased Bullseye to Japan to kill him over Electra. Not sure where you got the playboy stuff from.

    Jackman is Wolverine for the generation who grew up with him. Central to the character are all the elements that fit Jackson as well, with the exception of being too tall. Jackson couldn't have pulled that off if he'd been blonde and blue. It's something minor as he was 90% everything else.

    And IMO, the best character physical change makeover was with Liev Schreiber recreating Victor Creed/Sabertooth. Schreiber was great in that role like he usually is in everything he does. Ray Donovan was an awesome series.
     
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    His becoming Catholic was changed by Mark Millar. Before that, he was some playboy. Everything you just mentioned was a big retcon. He asked himself, "Why would a superhero also be a lawyer? Oh, he would have to be Catholic.".

    IMO, Wolverine being tall is a much bigger change than him being a blonde hair, blue eyes. His height was a big part of the character in the comics. However, the change worked because Jackman made Wolverine his.

    I think the best character physical change makeover is Michael Keaton as the Vulture. That character is nothing like his comic book counterpart, but worked in the film.
     
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    The vulture was meh... but I do like Keaton as a bad guy.

    Miller came in as DD writer during the late 80s.. Denny O'neill was writer at that time after taking over from Roger McKenzie, who was a horror writer and started in the late 70s making DD being dark and brooding, tho he'd always been a serious sort. The wise cracking bit came in with him pretending to have a twin brother during the 60s, but that wasn't "Matt".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daredevil_(Marvel_Comics_character)

    ... 1970s ...
    "McKenzie's work on Daredevil reflected his background in horror comics, and the stories and even the character himself took on a much darker tone: Daredevil battled a personification of death,[32] one of his archenemies was bifurcated by a tombstone,[33] and a re-envisioning of Daredevil's origin showed him using stalker tactics to drive the Fixer to his fatal heart attack.[34] McKenzie created chain-smoking Daily Bugle reporter Ben Urich, who deduces Daredevil's secret identity over the course of issues #153–163,[35] and had Daredevil using the criminal underworld of Hell's Kitchen as an information network, adding several small-time crooks to the supporting cast.

    Halfway through his run, McKenzie was joined by penciler Frank Miller with issue #158 (May 1979).[36]

    In a story arc overlapping Wolfman, Shooter, and McKenzie's runs on the series, Daredevil reveals his identity to Glenn and becomes partially responsible for the suicide of her father; their relationship would persist but would prove increasingly harmful to both of them. Though the Black Widow returned for a dozen issues (#155–166) and attempted to rekindle her romance with Daredevil, he ultimately rejects her in favor of Glenn.

    1980s
    Miller disliked Roger McKenzie's scripts,[31] so new editor Denny O'Neil fired McKenzie so that Miller could write the series.[37]

    Miller continued the title in a similar vein to McKenzie ...
     
  7. Unlucky 13

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    I was hoping to go see Shang Chi either Friday or Tuesday, but none of my three local cinemas are showing it early enough so I could go and get home before my kids are home from school. Boo.

    So maybe the following Saturday.
     
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    I ended up going for it and saw Shang Chi yesterday. I was worried I'd have to cut out before the post credits scenes, but the timing worked out. And it was absolutely worth it - obviously stay for those scenes if you go!

    The movie was very good overall. A really good into story not only for the main character, but a whole new section/concept in the MCU. Simu Liu was very solid as Shang Chi. The part is very physically demanding, and he was up to making it work. He has some comedic chops, and I think that with time he can become akin to Chris Hemsworth as Thor. Looking forward to seeing more of him in the future as the character.

    Tony Leung was also very good as the antagonist Xu Wenwu, Shang Chi's father. While his character is absolutely a villain, he brought humanity to the role, and there were times that he reminded me of Tony Stark in the latter moves he was in. I thought that that used the character well and was really good for an intro story.

    But the real scene stealer was Awkwafina as Kate. When I read that she would be playing the friend of the main character, I expected her role to be something akin to Kat Dennings as Darcy in Thor. But she was a lot more than that, more like Florence Pugh as Yelena in Black Widow. Not the butt kicking bad *** that Yelena is, but in as big of a role. She absolutely kept the movie flowing properly, added a ton of humor, and was terrific as an average person thrown into an amazing world.

    In a smaller role, Michelle Yeoh was very good as Ynig Nan.

    In a surprise, Benedict Wong has multiple scenes as Master Wong (from Dr Strange) and is terrific. And a real surprise is Ben Kingsley reprising his role as Trevor Slattery from Iron Man 3, and adding a ton of humor.
     
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    Looks fun. Like an old fashioned buddy cop movie.

    I hope Hawkeye says, "I'm too old for this ****."
     
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    That would be good. :up:

    It looks/feels like a good way to mostly say goodbye to the character before he literally gets sent off to the farm.
     
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    I am happy they are doing something with him rather than just letting him disappear
     
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    It feels like that will be the case with a lot of them now that we have the Disney+ shows.
     
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    I have been thinking I would love a brief mini series on how Bannon and Hulk became Professer Hulk. Even if it is just a conversation.
     
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    With Mark Ruffalo being a part of the She Hulk show in some respect next year, they might incorporate some of that into that overall story.
     
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    Finished "What If ..." and JESUS IT GOT DARK SO FAST with the final few episodes. Episode 2 with Starlord T'Challa was the high point imo. Not that the final 3 were bad (they weren't) but each was darker and grimmer than the last. Still it was fun to explore some zany stories. I am definitely looking forward to the next batch of episodes - especially what looks to be some kind of Iron Man and Good Guy Killmonger teamup.

    Overall, I really like the animated medium as a good way to explore the genre, though some of the characters being voiced by non-character actor voices took a minute to get used to.
     
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    I'm not going to get into it for a while. Given that its non-canon, actually anti-canon, it has always been on my back burner. And then I saw about the zombie episode, which is not something I have any interest in seeing. I'll watch some other stuff in my backlog and then check it out later.
     
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    If I were to guess I think the 2nd episode would be your favorite so far. What if Black Panther is Star-Lord was a fun adventure.
     
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    It's not really anti-cannon, it's just straight up alternate realities. I think mostly it's to keep the idea of the multiverse in people's minds, while just having some fun and doing weird stuff. They were generally pretty fun and interesting, and were kind of interesting takes on characters we knew going in different directions. And it's not just as simple as "good guy bad, bad guy good" either, if that's a concern.

    They are also pretty big on there really being fixed events in time that cannot be fundamentally erased. Circumstances can change, people can change, but trying to rewrite time is no beuno. It's also interesting that 4 of the 5 episodes were pretty clear in that they were setting up or actively exploring a cataclysmic event of the same magnitude - or greater than - as The Snap.

    I dunno, they were cool. I really enjoy that style though. If you don't really like animation, it may not hold the same appeal.
     
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    I do definately enjoy animation. I would say that about half of the new shows and movies that I watch and enjoy are animated. I certainly appreciate the insight, so thank you. I will certainly, eventually check it out.
     
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