Matt Flynn is currently at Dolphins HQ

"Alex44 wrote:

That is fine, but let's leave Aaron Rodgers out of it. He has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether Flynn succeeds or not.

Well

in all honesty I feel it has a slight impact TBH.. but nothing huge. I mean learning behind Arod in Philbins system then coming to town here to play Philbins system as a starter, is a lot different than being a back up to a no-name, or someone like Tebow. I mean it has to have some weight to be able to play alongside and learn from arguably what will be one of the greatest ever. Sponging off of excellence has to have some value.... I mean really it has to.

In your defense, Chad/Chad was a good example, But as much as I like Penny, hes not Rodgers. I think its just one of the things that gives Flynn an edge over being a bust, but not necessarily something that makes him amazing, or automatically good.

Stick with Moore last year in the last 9 games was 15 TD, 6 Ints and went 6-3 in that span... If all else fails Barkley, Wilson & Jones are waiting for you next year and with most teams having aquired that Franchise guy now you can bounce on your very own through the draft,

"Alex44 wrote:

That is fine, but let's leave Aaron Rodgers out of it. He has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether Flynn succeeds or not. Personally I'd love to see Flynn come in and COMPETE for the job. I'll be fairly angry if we hand it to him however.

I don't think you can say that though. Rodgers was very bitter Favre never helped him out, and Rodgers said he would do his best to help the other QB's on the roster be a better player.

I do understand what you're saying, but to think Flynn didn't become a better, smarter QB by working with one of the best in the game would be unwise.

"Muck wrote:

I don't think it's that they're choosing Colt McCoy over anybody. They're just not heavily interested in the free agent route.

Mike Holmgren is seriously upset about not getting the #2 pick because he covets RG3. And they're believed to be in play for Tannehill.

I'm opposite, I believe they will draft Trent Richardson & go with McCoy one more year. If they suck bad, they'll probably be in the race for Barkley. MY only concern is some team trade up before our #8 to swoop Tanny away from us. Unless some tream gets crazy & trades with Cle to get Trent but I don't see that. Trent will either go to Cle or TB, IMHO.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

I don't think you can say that though. Rodgers was very bitter Favre never helped him out, and Rodgers said he would do his best to help the other QB's on the roster be a better player.

I do understand what you're saying, but to think Flynn didn't become a better, smarter QB by working with one of the best in the game would be unwise.

After reading over, it looks like its two completely different arguments at this point, I agree with both.

"dcafiero wrote:

Well

in all honesty I feel it has a slight impact TBH.. but nothing huge. I mean learning behind Arod in Philbins system then coming to town here to play Philbins system as a starter, is a lot different than being a back up to a no-name, or someone like Tebow. I mean it has to have some weight to be able to play alongside and learn from arguably what will be one of the greatest ever. Sponging off of excellence has to have some value.... I mean really it has to.

In your defense, Chad/Chad was a good example, But as much as I like Penny, hes not Rodgers. I think its just one of the things that gives Flynn an edge over being a bust, but not necessarily something that makes him amazing.

I'd argue that Pennington is a smarter QB than Rodgers. He just doesn't have the physical ability.

I'm not trying to say there is nothing he could have learned from Rodgers, but at the end of the day I don't believe it is anything that will make or break his career. How do we even know if Rodgers taught him anything at all? I doubt his priority going into Sunday each week was to work with Flynn. Flynn had his own things to do with the second team.

"Alex44 wrote:

I'd argue that Pennington is a smarter QB than Rodgers. He just doesn't have the physical ability.

I'm not trying to say there is nothing he could have learned from Rodgers, but at the end of the day I don't believe it is anything that will make or break his career. How do we even know if Rodgers taught him anything at all? I doubt his priority going into Sunday each week was to work with Flynn. Flynn had his own things to do with the second team.

We don't but hearsay from rodgers pretty much says thats the kind of person he is and after the whole thing with Favre, I'm be willing to bet he is not that kind of guy that would snub Flynn or any other QB..... and they seem to have a good relationship (Arod and Flynnsanity).

Like I said its 2 different arguments at this point

1. Your side- Playing with the guy will not tell us the outlook of his future or make him an auto-allstar, I agree.
2. Was merely stated that it was only beneficial to him to be with Arod and Philbin this long, I believe its a huge positive. No reason not to :yes:

"dcafiero wrote:

On the subject at hand there really isn't any middle ground to be had, unfortunately.

I don't even know why you chimed in on this, tbh. considering my post was more of a stretch at the trolls that have been advocating "any QB that isnt a 1st/2nd round prospect is bad" as of recent.

Are you gonna be okay?

Wasn't ever upset. Why not use evidence to shut them up instead of snarky comments?

For example:

Tom Brady-6th round pick, lock for the HOF
Joe Montana-3rd round pick, HOF
Dan Fouts-3rd round pick, HOF
Warren Moon-UDFA HOF

Then cite first round busts:

Ryan Leaf
JaMarcus Russell
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Akili Smith
Heath Shuler
Andre Ware
Jim Druckenmiller
Rick Mirer
Todd Marinovich
Cade McNown
Tim Couch

I am sure there are more, which indicates that all the talent evaluation in the world can't successfully predict what will happen.

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"Laces Out wrote:

Wasn't ever upset. Why not use evidence to shut them up instead of snarky comments?

For example:

Tom Brady-6th round pick, lock for the HOF
Joe Montana-3rd round pick, HOF
Dan Fouts-3rd round pick, HOF
Warren Moon-UDFA HOF

Then cite first round busts:

Ryan Leaf
JaMarcus Russell
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Akili Smith
Heath Shuler
Andre Ware
Jim Druckenmiller
Rick Mirer
Todd Marinovich
Cade McNown
Tim Couch

I am sure there are more, which indicates that all the talent evaluation in the world can't successfully predict what will happen.

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Might have been classy-er to do that yes, But every time the round 1&2 QB-only trolls show up those draft picks and names are ALWAYS almost immediately posted. They didn't mention that in this particular thread though. (yet)

So I really was only joking. Lol. :tongue2:

Snarky by nature my friend.

"dcafiero wrote:

Might have been classy-er to do that yes, But every time the round 1&2 QB-only trolls show up those draft picks and names are ALWAYS almost immediately posted. They didn't mention that in this particular thread though. (yet)

So I really was only joking. Lol. :tongue2:

Snarky by nature my friend.

Ah....fair enough....and even if they are trolling, it adds more to the discussion IMHO.

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"dcafiero wrote:

We don't but hearsay from rodgers pretty much says thats the kind of person he is and after the whole thing with Favre, I'm be willing to bet he is not that kind of guy that would snub Flynn or any other QB..... and they seem to have a good relationship (Arod and Flynnsanity).

Like I said its 2 different arguments at this point

1. Your side- Playing with the guy will not tell us the outlook of his future or make him an auto-allstar, I agree.
2. Was merely stated that it was only beneficial to him to be with Arod and Philbin this long, I believe its a huge positive. No reason not to :yes:

I think it is beneficial to be playing with Philbin for sure.

The one thing I could see would be if they challenged each other hard in drills and such. That would be a plus for Flynn because it would have made him push himself harder and improve his technique a lot. That would be a benefit. On the film and mental side of things though there shouldn't be anything Rodgers could teach him that his QB coach and OC (Philbin) didn't. Unless he was simply helping him understand better...in which case it would kind of scare me that he doesn't pick it up on his own.

Anyway like I said I really do hope we bring Flynn in to compete so it's not like I'm trying to say he will suck or anything. I think we both agree though to the main point that Rodgers impact on him in the end isn't what will make or break him. Maybe just slightly help.

"Alex44 wrote:

I think it is beneficial to be playing with Philbin for sure.

The one thing I could see would be if they challenged each other hard in drills and such. That would be a plus for Flynn because it would have made him push himself harder and improve his technique a lot. That would be a benefit. On the film and mental side of things though there shouldn't be anything Rodgers could teach him that his QB coach and OC (Philbin) didn't. Unless he was simply helping him understand better...in which case it would kind of scare me that he doesn't pick it up on his own.

Anyway like I said I really do hope we bring Flynn in to compete so it's not like I'm trying to say he will suck or anything. I think we both agree though to the main point that Rodgers impact on him in the end isn't what will make or break him. Maybe just slightly help.

Idk. I have a gut feeling that Flynn will have most of us pleasantly surprised if we ink him. And I've never really had that about a QB we've signed except CPen

..Or maybe i'm just hungry.

"Laces Out wrote:

Wasn't ever upset. Why not use evidence to shut them up instead of snarky comments?

For example:

Tom Brady-6th round pick, lock for the HOF
Joe Montana-3rd round pick, HOF
Dan Fouts-3rd round pick, HOF
Warren Moon-UDFA HOF

Then cite first round busts:

Ryan Leaf
JaMarcus Russell
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Akili Smith
Heath Shuler
Andre Ware
Jim Druckenmiller
Rick Mirer
Todd Marinovich
Cade McNown
Tim Couch

I am sure there are more, which indicates that all the talent evaluation in the world can't successfully predict what will happen.

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you can also add kurt warner and roger staubach to the list of late round undrafted qbs as well as jeff garcia who was a good quarterback as well.

i like flynn alot and hope a deal gets done

"dcafiero wrote:

Idk. I have a gut feeling that Flynn will have most of us pleasantly surprised if we ink him. And I've never really had that about a QB we've signed except CPen

..Or maybe i'm just hungry.

I think you may be right, he has a unique relationship with Philbin and the HC should know very well what Flynn can do and what he needs to be successful

I think there should be something said for bringing in Flynn even for the sake of teaching the offense to the players.

I mean think how much easier it would be to have a QB that knows all the terminology and everything about an offense that will be new to every other player there. It seems like it could seriously speed up the learning process.

Rams just signed Jason Jones to a one year deal, meaning his entire salary will be applied to their cap THIS year... Looks like we can now low-ball Flynn even more :up:

I'd like to sign him to a 5 year deal worth like 15 million guaranteed

"Finascious D wrote:

I think there should be something said for bringing in Flynn even for the sake of teaching the offense to the players.

I mean think how much easier it would be to have a QB that knows all the terminology and everything about an offense that will be new to every other player there. It seems like it could seriously speed up the learning process.

That being said are we using Philban's offense system with Sherman calling the plays, or are we just running Sherman's offense with Sherman calling the plays. If it is the later I don't know how big of an advantage it would be. I don't know if I ever remember a OC "learning" a HC's offense and then implementing it. Most likely we will run Sherman's offense, with Philban giving pointers and advice here and there.

One of the comments I liked hearing when talking about Flynn was when he started in place of Rodgers was that nothing was pulled from the playbook. That dispels any notion that a) Flynn wouldn't be able to run the offense like Rodgers and b) Flynn doesn't have the arm strength to get the ball to where it needs to be.

The other day saw a quote from Aaron Rodgers stating whichever team gets Flynn they will be a getting a top 15 QB. Pretty high praise considering he only started two games so far.

"AdamC13 wrote:

One of the comments I liked hearing when talking about Flynn was when he started in place of Rodgers was that nothing was pulled from the playbook. That dispels any notion that a) Flynn wouldn't be able to run the offense like Rodgers and b) Flynn doesn't have the arm strength to get the ball to where it needs to be.

The other day saw a quote from Aaron Rodgers stating whichever team gets Flynn they will be a getting a top 15 QB. Pretty high praise considering he only started two games so far.

Whether it's true or not, we shall see if we sign him & what do you expect Rodgers to say about his teammate?

"dcafiero wrote:

Idk. I have a gut feeling that Flynn will have most of us pleasantly surprised if we ink him. And I've never really had that about a QB we've signed except CPen

..Or maybe i'm just hungry.

I hope Flynn comes in and sets the entire NFL on fire man. Trust me.

Some people don't even want him to compete with Matt Moore though. I do for sure. If he can't beat out Moore he certainly won't be setting anything on fire. May be the best QB win.

My honest opinion, Philbin wants to hitch his wagon to a guy he is familiar with and trusts. The timing for Flynn to hit FA is impecable. It might have nothing to do with Moore. Just that Philbin wants his guy. It could be as simple as that.

"fins4o8 wrote:

Whether it's true or not, we shall see if we sign him & what do you expect Rodgers to say about his teammate?

I would expect him to say "nothing" if he didn't think it was true. Or perhaps something evasive like, "Hope he does well if given the opportunity to start" or "I think he deserves a chance to start." There are all kinds of things to say to be respectful while not making a declarative statement if you don't think it is true.

Have you read any statements where M. Moore said "Henne will be a top 15 QB?"

"Alex44 wrote:

I hope Flynn comes in and sets the entire NFL on fire man. Trust me.

Some people don't even want him to compete with Matt Moore though. I do for sure. If he can't beat out Moore he certainly won't be setting anything on fire. May be the best QB win.

I agree with you.

I do think thought that there won't be a competition, or at least Matt Moore would have to dominate.

If there is a competition I think Matt Flynn would win. Not because he is a much better quarterback. It would be because he is in an offense that is best suited for his strengths.

I don't believe Rogers has anything to do with Flynns development nor does it have anything to do with Flynn playing behind Rogers any more than it had anything to do with Rogers playing behind Favre. I just believe some teams just have better success in developing quarterbacks and Green Bay has been one of them. Whether that translates to Flynn remains to be seen, I really believe they saw potential in Flynn or they would have kept Brian Brohm, a second round pick instead of Matt Flynn as Rogers backup.

The guy came in and hit 480 yards, Mike Mccarthy said he makes those plays all the time in training, Rodgers says hes a top QB, Philbin obviously trusts him and wants him, Green Bay fans say hes a very good QB, what more do you guys need?!