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Matt Moore Likely Leaving Miami

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Jan 24, 2018.

  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Multiple news outlets are reporting that Moore is unhappy in Miami after Cutler was brought in and handed the starting job- he felt like he did enough down the stretch of 2016 to earn that role or at least a real competition. Meanwhile, the Dolphins have made it known that they are ready to put a potential full time starter behind Tannehill since Moore struggles to remain healthy. It sounds like both sides want to part ways.

    Additionally, Miami is bringing in several projected 1st round quarterbacks for interviews this week...so it sounds like they're serious about getting a legit young QB1 in the backup role for a few seasons of grooming.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article196186674.html
     
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  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Should have stuck with Moore. Could have been 6-10 with $10 million more in cap space.
     
  3. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    I like Moore and he was the perfect backup earlier in Tannehill’s career.

    But even without the Tannehill injury/Cutler situation now is the time to cut the cord. Now is the time to develop and groom a new potential starter.
     
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  4. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I LOVE Moore as a quarterback, but if he can't play 16 games (which he can't) then there's really nothing left to talk about. We need a young stud in the henhouse since that's how you build legacy QB's- just compare someone like Luck to a Rodgers or Garappolo. All three have talent, but the one who was thrown into the scrum from day one has developed the least. I think it's very smart to draft a QB1 in the early rounds and sit him down for 1-3 seasons to progress at his own natural speed.
     
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  5. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    As much as I like Moore, his departure from Miami would be par for the natural course of back-up quarterbacks. You always want an experienced back-up to help groom your drafted starter (Marino/Strock) then you need to look at bringing in younger for the starter to groom (Mitchell, Huard, etc).

    Now I wouldn't be drafting a 1st round caliber quarterback as we have other immediate needs, but it wouldn't hurt taking a look at a 3rd rounder
     
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  6. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    I actually agree with this part. Gase really didn't seem to make it an open enough competition.

    That stated, Moore got his opportunities and didn't play well. And if you can't perform yourself after getting an opportunity then you really have nothing to complain about. It's best for the team to part ways with him based solely on performance.
     
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  7. danmarino

    danmarino Justice for Jacob Blake Club Member

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    Let's not kid ourselves, Cutler has the higher ceiling than Moore. If Moore's ceiling is 10 stories, Cutler's ceiling is the Willis Tower.

    The bad part is, Cutler only played to about the 15th floor of the Willis Tower.


    I love Moore. I love his attitude, guts, and determination. I'd love to have a team full of Moores.
     
  8. bigballa2102

    bigballa2102 Well-Known Member

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    100% on the moore attitude!!

    shouldn't have cutler ceiling already been met after 11 years? he should have hit his ceiling and maintained the constant play. his ceiling fell a long long time ago and added with his cancer of a personality I don't think his ceiling is "high" he has literally ran every team hes been on into turmoil. except maybe Miami because he didn't care 1 more year in the sun for 10 mil.
     
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  9. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    The Cutler signing was a slap in the face for Moore. It was also an extension of Gase's lack of respect towards the guy to be so desperate as to sign a bum like Cutler off the sportscasting scrap heap when dude didn't even really want to play - his wife talked him into it. The whole thing was downright shameful. I'll never forget marching Moore out there vs. the Ravens on a short week with basically a brand new playbook. ***eye roll***

    It's time for Miami to draft new talent at QB, but I appreciate Moore's service to this team. Dude was a gamer and a proverbial "team" guy. The bizarre contingent who loathed this man had farts between their ears.
     
  10. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Come on- he was given the nod to start against Baltimore on a short week with two days of practice mid-season. Since our starters (RT included) haven't had a good game against Baltimore in over a decade, I don't think that's entirely fair to say "Moore had his chance". He was unprepared and had a horrible game.

    In his second game against the Bucs, Moore posted a 106.5 rating in a loss. We continually ran the ball though and it wasn't enough- that's not on Moore.

    In his third and final game against the Pats in NE (another place our starters haven't won in quite some time), he completed 67.6% of his passes and a TD but had two picks. He also played hurt in that game since he was sacked hard multiple times.

    It's easy to say Moore sucked because he went 0-3, but two of those games are almost always bad losses and he played fantastic in the 3rd game. I know we've become accustomed to Moore working miracles off the bench...but we didn't really set him up for success here either.
     
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  11. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Wish him well, but it's about time we focused on getting some young talent in here to develop. I really wanted to do that last year, just in case there was a setback in Tannehill's recovery. Though, I certainly didn't expect him to miss an entire year to follow it up.
     
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  12. cbrad

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    Sorry Key I disagree. The bar was not set high at all. He was competing against a pretty poor Cutler so he only needed to be around average (Cutler was below average) and he could have won the job.

    2017 for me was the last time I want Moore as our backup. He was good in individual stretches but he had a 75.6 rating for the year after 127 attempts, which is about one game shy of what it takes for passer rating to become reliable (~150 attempts), and you're not increasing that 75.6 THAT much even with another 100+ rating game. It is true that overall his stats under Gase are pretty good for a backup (he has a combined 87.79 rating for 2016 and 2017 which is basically average for a starting QB), but he just didn't play well in too many occasions in 2017 to keep him.

    Seriously.. it's best to roll with Tannehill and a young drafted QB as backup, unless that drafted QB just outplays Tannehill.
     
  13. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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  14. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    A slap in the face and disrespect to a backup quarterback! My God!
     
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  15. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Oh, I agree with you that parting ways is the smart move for everyone involved- Moore should retire in my opinion. I just disagree on Moore's talent and how hard it is to throw someone in there in a game you're not supposed to win.
     
  16. djphinfan

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    Maybe one of the reasons why this team sucked so bad this year.... discontent from that slap in the face...

    I hope this isn’t the case because that sh## can carryover
     
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  17. Rock Sexton

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    You're undermining the respect of the locker room that the man had. Enough to at have been named a team MVP at one point (2011).

    This wasn't your average backup QB. Players liked him a lot and there were quite a few who felt he deserved his chance to start throughout the years.
     
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  18. Fame

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    He's not really capable of playing even one game anymore. His age is destroying any talent that existed 2-3 years ago.
     
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  19. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Not really. Moore is a backup. He was, is and will be a backup. Not appointing him a starter after Tanny went down is not a slap in the face or disrespectful. Moore is owed nothing, and despite the fan love on the this site, he isn't that good.
     
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  20. KeyFin

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    I think age and lack of reps has finally caught up with him- he's definitely past his prime and not turning back the clock. But at the same time, if he could get on a roster and luck into a starting position, then who knows? Maybe he finds the magic for a season or two.

    I've followed Moore since his Carolina days so I have some extra insight here- his wife wanted him to retire years ago, but went along with the Miami move since he would be a backup. She has said verbally many times that he's not going to another team though because she's not moving the family again (plus she loves Miami), so it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I really think he will just retire due to family influence.
     
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  21. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    The real problem is his arm strength has deteriorated significantly over the last two years, and it was never that strong to begin with. Hard to be a gunslinger without a gun. There's a microscopic chance Matt Moore will be anything more than an emergency option going forward, and he may very well have played in his last NFL game.
     
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  22. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I really am struggling to understand how people think Moore's game is any different than Cutler's. He is basically Cutler with a weaker arm. Same ups and downs.
     
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  23. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I said it was a slap in the face when Cutler was brought in knucklehead.
     
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  24. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    He's got nothing left. It's time for him to move on to the next phase in life.
     
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  25. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Moore has great instincts, great leadership and he is always there to talk up his teammates and boost their confidence. He's the ultimate pro- it's never been about his arm strength or stuff like that. The guy is simply a great leader and that's why I've always been nuts over him.
     
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  26. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    I expected a better season with Cutler and Gase reunited. If we had it to do again, then going with Moore and Fales would have been a better option. Probably go 5-11 or 4-12, but as you noted we save $10 million in cap space, plus a higher draft pick, and Fales might have shown enough to be the easy choice for the #2 QB (with actual game experience under his belt).

    Thanks for the good years Matt. I don't think you have enough left in the tank for another season, but you can retire, enjoy life in South Florida, and still have a measure of good health.
     
  27. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    The end results are the same as Cutler. Very up and down, one game great, one game awful. He gets you no more or less than Cutler.
     
  28. sandcastle

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    Moore did a great job backing up Tannehill while he was under a rookie contract. Now, the circumstances have changed as Tannehill paid for performance while his contract provides the Dolphins with flexibility if they decide to move on.

    I think Geno Smith may be a good option. His salary was much lower (1.2 million) and he throws a good ball with a game more similar to Tannehill's. Lots of players, including Geno, work out in south Florida during the off-season. Miami needs to take advantage of this to identify players that can fit Gase's passing game. With a couple of ex UM WRs trying to earn a roster spot, Miami should be able to make these sessions critical to retaining or earning a roster spot. Since coaches have limited contact, Tannehill will have to 'coach' the passing game and can provide feedback on what existing players or acorns get their role in the offense.

    During the regular season, Geno may provide more competition for Tannehill than a rookie or veteran with limited athletic skills. I'm a Tannehill optimist, but if Gase needs to use him a scapegoat when he or the offense are performing poorly, I think Geno may be well-suited to jump-start the offense while sticking to the script designed for Tannehill And if Gase pulls Tannehill, it makes it much easier to pull another offensive player when their performance is off.
     
  29. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    It wasn't though. Backups don't get slapped in the face by bringing in someone else - that's what happens to backups. If he feels that he was slapped in the face, ask to be released and move on.
     
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  30. TheOne

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    I love Matt Moore and I hope he signs with the Jets and lights our D up.
     
  31. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    We get it, Tara. Best of luck to you and Matt in your future endeavors.
     
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  32. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Moore signed with the Jets and eventually started, that would give me all kinds of frustrations. I would actually be a legit Jets fan until he got benched or retired. There's no way that happens though; I'm sure they'll trade him to someone outside our division instead of letting him walk. New England would be the team that would jump all over him in free agency since he knows our playbook and signals so well.

    And no, I wouldn't root for the Pats no matter what- my Moore love only goes so far.
     
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  33. Deus ex dolphin

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    I'm just gonna pretend you didn't actually write this.......

    :)
     
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  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Matt Moore is a free agent.
     
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  35. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, he's a free agent in March or April, isn't he? I don't know exactly how that stuff works.
     
  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    I can't sign with another team until then, however, he not eligible to be traded.
     
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  37. Seadog

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    "Multiple news outlets are reporting that Moore is unhappy in Miami"

    Well Moore, we're damn unhappy with your play as well, don't let the door break your arse on the way out...
     
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  38. SlyFoxxx

    SlyFoxxx Sorry for Party Rocking

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    Your last sentence gave me a headache.
     
  39. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Yeeeeeeah! Bring on the next backup QB for you to crucify!
     
  40. mooseguts

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    Andrew Luck threw 40 TD's in his 3rd year something only done by 3 other QB's within their first 3 years in the league. He was developing just fine until his awful OL caused him to take punishment to the point that it has caused injuries to derail his career. Marino, Manning, Roethlisberger and countless others have started from day 1. There's no right or wrong way.
     
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