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  1. marco_r31

    marco_r31 New Member

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    I think he will be a very good QB because he has great leadership I like beck also Im not giving up on him but Im not sold on him.I think we should draft matt ryan this will put us in a similar position that san diego had with Brees and Rivers.IT will only benefit us in finding our QB of the future.

    what do you guys think?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri1Kl-5YZgY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri1Kl-5YZgY[/ame]

    In this video you can see the leadership I was talking about
     
  2. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    It'd be a bit of an odder situation than SD had, because it was heading into Drew's 3rd year (as starter, 4th year overall) that Rivers was drafted. We have not come close to giving Beck the same amount of chances yet. Personally, I trust Cameron's evaluations at the QB position, and if he is comfortable with not telling Mueller we need to draft a QB early then great.
     
  3. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    No.

    Next.
     
  4. NJFINSFAN1

    NJFINSFAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    No QB until at least the second day.
     
  5. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Even if Woodson or Brennan were there at the Chargers pick?
     
  6. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    QB reaches critical mass at the end of next year. Either Beck progresses nicely or we're looking for a QB with a probable top 5 pick.
     
  7. calfinfan

    calfinfan New Member

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    Concur. We need a 3rd string QB.

    Draft Jake Long in the first round. He can play left or right tackle.
     
  8. NJFINSFAN1

    NJFINSFAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Can't win if we can't stop anyone.
     
  9. MelbournePhin

    MelbournePhin New Member

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    one word: NO
     
  10. psingh01

    psingh01 New Member

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    I see a guy who has forever to throw the ball, when he does have to scramble it is cause he's sitting back there for like 30 seconds. Only on one maybe two plays does anyone come close to him.

    That video should be more about his O-Line than anything else :)
     
  11. Stitches

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    Touche.
     
  12. bg34

    bg34 Junior Member

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    I was at Shula's in Ft. Lauderdale after the game Sunday and happened to be sitting at a table right beside Shula himself (at another table, of course). I could hear everything he was saying, and I heard him say that he thought Ryan was the best qb in the draft. Just thought ya'll like to know that. It was cool hearing him tell stories bout the Marino days, talked about Jimmy Johnson some, the infamous "leon lett" game. Good stuff.
     
  13. brent

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    Matt Ryan will be a top QB in this League for a long time. Watch after the Combine he will be selected in the top Four picks. He is a player that you can built a Franchise around. Beck is not. The Dolphins will take a very LONG look at this player. In my mind there is alot to love about about MATT RYAN.

    1. With no play makers at BC his production is outstanding.

    2. Moves in the pocket to buy time, not to pull it down and run.

    3. Big ARM! Can make every throw in the NFL.

    4. The size. At least 6/4 220. Perfect, not injury prone at all.
     
  14. brent

    brent New Member

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    Well I'm Sold! Name a SHULA picked QB that Sucked!
     
  15. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    No, they won't. Mueller will throw up smokescreens, and Beck's game against the Jets will add credibility to those smokescreens, but at the end of the day they'll just be smokescreens.

    We are not taking Matt Ryan. He won't even be in the conversation.

    At #1 overall, with the needs of this roster, we're looking at four possible picks right now: DT Glenn Dorsey, LT Ryan Clady, DE/OLB Chris Long, DE Vernon Gholston.

    Darren McFadden has about a 1% possibility of being selected by us, but only if we trade Ronnie Brown.
     
  16. brent

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    Agreed. But only if we trade out of the Number One spot. If not, You and everybody else better get used to the Idea of MATT RYAN or Darren McFadden. To me its simple these positions have the ball in there hands 50% of the offensive plays and a speical player can change an entire Franchise for years. LB's and DT don't get picked with the Number overall for a reason.
     
  17. dolfan32323

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    Matt Ryan will be great.... but we need defense BADLY. I take Chris Long with the #1 pick.
     
  18. miamitd13

    miamitd13 Junior Member

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    Well that settles it then - if Desides says it won't happen then it must be true. I'm not saying we're going to pick him, but considering the Dolphins haven't had a first hand look at coaching him at the Senoir Bowl, scout him at the Combine you come across as presumptous at best. It's roughly (5) months before the draft - how do you honestly know (by percentages no less) what we're going to do?
     
  19. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Not happening. It's not because I don't like either player--it's just because we're not going to take either McFadden or Ryan. We took Beck not because we needed to take a QB--any QB--but because Mueller and Cameron scouted many college QBs and saw everything they wanted in Beck. They took him out of conviction, not just because he was still available.

    And McFadden... not as long as Ronnie Brown is still on this team.

    That's not exactly great reasoning for taking a drafting a player at a redundant position.

    If you want to see what loading up an offense while neglecting a defense badly in need of help will do to a team, look at the Cincinnati Bengals.
     
  20. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Initial draft assessments are usually the most accurate. As the draft approaches, people tend to over-think the obvious and it obscures what's right in front of our faces.

    Ted Ginn was the consensus pick for us at #9 last year, but then everyone over-thought the pick and thought we'd take Brady Quinn. Well, we were right initially.

    An honest assessment of the roster and past statements of Cameron and Mueller show that there's just no need to take either McFadden or Ryan. Beck is the guy at QB, and Ronnie has proven that he's an elite NFL player at a position that is increasingly being considered plug-and-play.

    Instead of mocking me for posting what I think and not knocking brent for doing exactly what I am, why not instead post an argument as to why we will be taking Ryan or McFadden? I'm all ears.
     
  21. brent

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    I like Chris Long and Dorsey too. But look at this way. LSU will have at least 4 number ones on Defense including Dorsey and they could not stop McFadden at all. There was no passing game at ARK this year. BC likewise has no running game or any Playmakers at wide out yet MATT RYAN still is able to dominate. Compare Peyton Manning's senior year and what he had around him at Tennesse. Take a look at McPherson and his surrounding cast last year at Oklahoma. Both had playmakers around them.
     
  22. Whitedolphin54

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    Wont Ryan go top 15 with someone?
     
  23. brent

    brent New Member

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    Desides - Point is that the Dolphins will not a take your Defensive selections without trading out of the First Pick. Randy took Beck correctly by thinking what alot of people thought. Beck is the same as QUINN. There is no comparism between QUINN/BECK and Matt Ryan. Hey if Randy and CAM knew we were going to end up with the first pick this year of course they would have passed on Beck.
     
  24. brent

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    Randy already said you take the best player available. If, of course, no one makes an offer you cannot refuse.
     
  25. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    "Best player available" means whatever the team wants it to mean at that particular moment.

    We can take anyone and say they were at the top of our draft boards.

    You have no way of knowing that. You believe the #1 pick should always be offense because they touch the ball the most often. The frequency of a player touching the ball is irrelevant to their effectiveness on the field and their draft status. Dorsey, McFadden, Long, Clady, and Gholston are all worthy of being taken at the top of the draft. The overwhelming likelihood is that we'll take a defensive player.
     
  26. Jsbaugh

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    Why would the Fins take Ryan which would give them really 2 rookie QB's on the roster. Dont some of you realize what a stupid pick that is? Ryan is unproven and who knows if he will be a good pro QB. What a train wreck it would be if Beck beat him out in training camp and then you wasted a #1 pick.
    Problem is that we havent seen enough of Beck to make a decision. That is the #1 reason they wont take a QB with the first pick. Worse case is we pick up a QB in FA to compete with Beck.
    This team has so many other holes to fill first before looking at a QB. From everything I have read Ryan will go to Atlanta.
     
  27. houtz

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    I have to agree completely.

    Beck is who we are building this team around. If we take a look at a quarterback in the later rounds so be it. This draft is filled with talent at the QB position from top to bottom.

    We need help badly on defense. I'd love to get Chris Long with the #1 and then get Mike Jenkins with the #32.

    Let me add if Huizenga sells the team and the owner cleans house, he may bring in a new president that doesn't think Beck is our guy. Which may very will result in Matt Ryan or any other quarterback at that matter with our 1st rounder.

    None of us know what will happen. Hell, many of us would've bet our lives on Quinn at #9. Only Time will tell.
     
  28. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I think we'll pick Ryan as well. It all depends on how sold Cameron is on Beck but I have a feeling Cameron will have more co0nfidence that Ryan can run his offense effectively and consistently than Beck long term. QB at present is our weakest position even though we have alot of weak positions to fill. If we hadnt drafted Beck this would be a no brainer but I think in the end Cameron and Mueller will realize that Beck is a far longer development than they had originally envisioned. Ryan will be groomed to start in 2009 and Beck will have 2008 to prove he can make it in this league. Hopefully we have a Cleveland Browns situation after the year. Ryan can do everything Beck can do but does it better. Cameron as an offensive minded coach will realize he cant risk his job on Beck alone and will take the better prospect
     
  29. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    If we pass on Ryan those are the players I would go after also. McFadden has no shot of becoming a Dolphin
     
  30. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I disagree somewhat here. I think they took him becayuse they thought he was the best available in a weak crop. No way a 6'2" QB like Beck is everything they wanted. Ryan or Brohm fits the bill more closely to the prototype QB a coach like Camreon would want running his team. 6'5" and 6'4" respectively
     
  31. neil108

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    You guys keep talking about beck competing in training camp with a FA? What about Lemon? Do you think he will come back or will he go elsewhere? Honestly, I hope he doesn't come back, the guy can scramble really well but he is still too inconsistent. My nightmare scenario, is lemon coming back and beating beck in training camp, after not drafting another QB! We need to at least get someone in FA for sure. I like Ryan, he is tall, 6'4"" and has that reach to throw the ball over any defensive linemen. No tipped passes is what i'm saying.
     
  32. brent

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    Best senario. Trade down to Four and take Ryan. The rest of the Draft should be used on Defense. The Overall Number One should be worth at less 3 more First day picks.
     
  33. Desides

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    Drew Brees isn't exactly a giant, and Cameron had no problem pushing for his drafting and grooming him into the top-tier QB we see today. In fact, Beck is taller than Brees.

    Cameron and Mueller both had no idea who Beck was until one of the scouts brought Mueller's attention to him. Extensive evaluations were done, and it was decided that Beck was the guy--not just someone to take in a bad crop of QBs, but someone who could legitimately be a franchise QB.

    They really and truly believe Beck is the guy.
     
  34. brent

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    Who has more Long Term upside Beck or Ryan? Brown or McFadden? There really is no comparism. Ryan and McFadden are way better Long Term answers at the most important positions.
     
  35. adamprez2003

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    I think we'll go defense for mosty of the rest of the draft. I think we might also draft an offensive tackle if Otah, Cherilus, Loadholt is available in the 2nd.
     
  36. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    If they truly believe Beck is the guy then you'll be right on this one Desides and we'll pick one of the players you mentioned in a previous post. I have my doubts on that one but we'll see in a few months.
     
  37. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Regarding Ronnie and McFadden: Ronnie Brown is a top-three NFL RB. The upside of a draft prospect is meaningless when you possess a player who's already at the peak of his position. What you're advocating is the positional equivalent of having Tom Brady, but drafting Carson Palmer anyway. It makes no sense from a salary cap and personnel standpoint, especially when running back is such a plug-and-play position.

    Regarding Ryan and Beck: Ryan will be a very good NFL QB, but Beck's the guy. Cameron and Mueller extensively scouted and selected Beck. We know they didn't just look at the list of QBs likely to declare in the 2007 draft, too, because they discovered Samson Satele while scouting Colt Brennan. It's extremely likely that they scouted Matt Ryan before the 2007 draft, yet still went with Beck.

    Ryan and McFadden are going to be great professional football players. They just won't be great Miami Dolphins players.
     
  38. brent

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    Cam did not draft Brees in 2001. Do youy really think Beck is going to be a speical Player capable of changing the Dolphins for the Next 15 years?
     
  39. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    If we draft a quarterback in 2008 with the intention of replacing John Beck, I will pull a Bob Metcalfe and print this page out, blend it, and drink the concoction.
     
  40. Desides

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    Cameron was the offensive coordinator of the Chargers in 2001 when Brees was drafted. If you don't believe Cameron had significant input into the decision of selecting a franchise quarterback to run his offensive system, you're nuts. (In a good way, of course. :hi5: )

    And, yes, Cameron and Mueller believe Beck is capable of being the franchise QB Miami needs for the next decade. That's Beck's only real downside: if he pans out, we'll "only" have him for 10 years. But I prefer 10 years of great QB play to zero years of great QB play.
     

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