Maximizing Offensive production in 2011 with a couple easy tweeks. (J/K- tweaks) lol

Why is it not a high possibility that Bess COULD get alot more YAC if he ran something other than curls and outs? Seriously. I believe if he were to run a lot more slants, and was hit in stride, he would do just fine. WHat am I missing here?

Honest question

Bro, love Bess, but you are correct, I've said it a couple of times and told Deej to bkmk it, there will be a shakeup on our Wr corps this offseason you can see it from here.

Basically they are good players, BM, Hartline, DBess, but they all are the "same" player that is why Marlon Moore is having a look if that dude could return kicks and punts he would have a huge role for the Dolphins moving forwards as Nolan Carroll is a good KR but his running style will get him...well..concussed.

"ATLFINFAN wrote:

Why is it not a high possibility that Bess COULD get alot more YAC if he ran something other than curls and outs? Seriously. I believe if he were to run a lot more slants, and was hit in stride, he would do just fine. WHat am I missing here?

Honest question

That's just not really his MO. The guy needs to rely on his shiftiness to get open. He has physical limitations (namely speed) that prevent him from being a guy who can threaten a defense in this manner, which is why he wasn't drafted in 08 IIRC. Bess gets YAC fine; he just doesn't have a high ave b/c his catches are mostly from short routes. He also doesn't pose as a chunk yardage threat which is one aspect our offense is sorely lacking in. 4.64 forty only gets you so far..... which is about 5 yards. :shifty:

Hartline is equally as quick as Bess over 10 yards, but pulls away from 10-40. This is a big asset in the slot over Bess on 1st and 2nd down. Brian can cover more field which allows us to attack more of the field, which forces defenses to have to cover more of the field (or at least be prepared for it). That helps open up the ground game while giving Marshall more room underneath to catch a short route and turn it into a big play. Lamens terms: Brian has the speed & ability to get himself further away from Brandon than Bess can so that there will be less defenders within the same vicinity so that Marshall has a greater opportunity to earn his $40 million.

Hart would be a stud in the slot on 1st and 2nd IMO. His 6.65 3 cone time would really shine here..... more so than playing outside as a #2 IMO, and he'd tear up LBs matched up on him.

bring in two offensive linemen that can run block and we're a top 16 offense. get a gamebreaker RB, TE or WR on top of that we're top ten. or failing that have Henne develop into a quality QB or pick one up and we're top ten. Do all three (2 offensive linemen, one playmaker skill position, better play at QB) and we could be top 7. The scheme we run is irrelevant

"the fix" is an offensive rebuilding project, not a simple solution

"adamprez2003 wrote:

bring in two offensive linemen that can run block and we're a top 16 offense. get a gamebreaker RB, TE or WR on top of that we're top ten. or failing that have Henne develop into a quality QB or pick one up and we're top ten. Do all three (2 offensive linemen, one playmaker skill position, better play at QB) and we could be top 7. The scheme we run is irrelevant

I agree. We have a few key pieces to success and are only missing a few more to make the whole puzzle. Little things like Bess being a 3rd down machine are invaluable to this puzzle IMO. And a few more pieces and we'll see Marshall making the big plays that got us excited about him coming here in the first place.

"the 23rd wrote:

"the fix" is an offensive rebuilding project, not a simple solution

Offensive rebuild would mean ditching 2 of the 3 hardest positions to fill: LT & #1 WR. Teams can go years trying to find studs at these positions. We're far from an offensive rebuild. Something like signing Mankins, Ahmad Bradshaw, and Tony Scheffler in FA while drafting Julio Jones, another RB, and Oline depth would turn everything around in 1 offseason..... even with your despised Henne a QB. I hardly call that a rebuild.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

This is 100% the problem with the receivers YAC numbers. You don't go from being the best YAC guy in the league to disappearing off the face of the earth in the category for no reason. Brandon Marshall is always coming back to the quarterback and never has his momentum carrying up the field. It's a problem in schematics, not execution.

I do agree about Bess' lack of ability to stretch the field, though. Look at his punt returns. He's one of the most underwhelming return men I've ever seen. And that's a reflection of his lack of big play ability.

Well, actually Bess is one of the better punt returners in the NFL Aqua, that really isn't his problem it is the lack of ability to turn a short route into a long RAC event, I've speculated that if Moore had shown more he would see more time in the slot, but really any of the 4 Wr's we have can play the slot just fine.

For me TP, Ingram takes precedent, does anyone now think after todays game that this is not a special player, like some were saying last week, lol..

I do agree that the receiver unit needs an upgrade, and your analysis about Bess, a legit threat from anywhere on the field..but imo it will have to come with our third, ingram is just to good at a need position.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

This is 100% the problem with the receivers YAC numbers. You don't go from being the best YAC guy in the league to disappearing off the face of the earth in the category for no reason. Brandon Marshall is always coming back to the quarterback and never has his momentum carrying up the field. It's a problem in schematics, not execution.

I do agree about Bess' lack of ability to stretch the field, though. Look at his punt returns. He's one of the most underwhelming return men I've ever seen. And that's a reflection of his lack of big play ability.

This!!..... with Hartline included. Hart's quickness over 20 yards should be seeing a LOT more routes with him going up field, like the slant against NO where he almost broke it.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Also. If we draft a receiver in the first round, I'll be pretty damn pissed. And 95% of my man crushes are receivers. Then again, if a talent like Justin Blackmon falls to you, that changes your perspective a little bit.

I'd be perfectly happy using a 3rd on Greg Little. I honestly believe the 15th pick range will be much too soon for Locker and Mallett, so I don't see us reaching for them if a guy like Julio Jones or Mark Ingram are on the board. If Ingram is gone, I don't see how we could pass on Julio. However, if we enter the draft still needing a stud RB and playmaking #2 WR, then Ingram-Little would probably be my favorite duo. I'd rather have these 2 than than Julio-"best 3rd round running available"..... that is if we can't trade down.

"ToddsPhins wrote:

Offensive rebuild would mean ditching 2 of the 3 hardest positions to fill: LT & #1 WR. Teams can go years trying to find studs at these positions. We're far from an offensive rebuild. Something like signing Mankins, Ahmad Bradshaw, and Tony Scheffler in FA while drafting Julio Jones, another RB, and Oline depth would turn everything around in 1 offseason..... even with your despised Henne a QB. I hardly call that a rebuild.

Offensive Rebuild: fire Sparano & Henne, then acquire a QB, Center, Pulling-Guard, RB & TE to accompany Fasano

"djphinfan wrote:

For me TP, Ingram takes precedent, does anyone now think after todays game that this is not a special player, like some were saying last week, lol..

I do agree that the receiver unit needs an upgrade, and your analysis about Bess, a legit threat from anywhere on the field..but imo it will have to come with our third, ingram is just to good at a need position.

my response to Aqua might as well be a response to you too, brother. lol.

"the 23rd wrote:

Offensive Rebuild: fire Sparano & Henne, then acquire a QB, Center, Guard & RB

Ok.... so you want a coaching rebuild. Now I understand better.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

That could not be further from the truth. Not even close. Just because he's fielded some deep punts that out kicked their coverage doesn't make him a good punt returner. He is the most underwhelming return man I've seen and please don't reference stats to defend this. I've seen every one of Bess' games as a pro. He's not a top return man.

He is a top return man. I'd like to return him to the bench so we can get someone else in here who can break a big one. :shifty:

Friend ToddsPhins:
fire two coaches only, then acquire a QB, Center, Pulling-Guard, RB & TE to accompany Fasano
I think the problem runs deep with no quick fix available.
2011 will require a re-building of the offense before we can compete @ a consistent & high level

There are a few times this year that I remember thinking "Damn, if Bess only had a little more speed, like 3 seconds faster on his forty, then this return goes to the house". Then I just shake my head in disappointment. For someone who's legs move so fast, he really doesn't go very far. Just sayin.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Another thing that kills the YAC is that Chad Henne is probably the worst deep ball thrower in the NFL. When a receiver gets behind a secondary, that's where the YAC really adds up but Henne is almost completely incapable of hitting a guy in stride for the long touchdown. Remember the first two games when Beast got behind the defense once in each game? Both balls were severely underthrown. Marshall dropped one and caught one falling down on the other. Each coud've given him 30+ yards of YAC. That's 60 yards right there lost because of poor throws.

It's all about perspective. Never trust stats, they never tell you the whole story.

I agree with you, but I'm temporarily withholding any judgment (negative or positive) on him until he gets a better vertical threat and some more reps in.

"ToddsPhins wrote:

That's just not really his MO. The guy needs to rely on his shiftiness to get open. He has physical limitations (namely speed) that prevent him from being a guy who can threaten a defense in this manner, which is why he wasn't drafted in 08 IIRC. Bess gets YAC fine; he just doesn't have a high ave b/c his catches are mostly from short routes. He also doesn't pose as a chunk yardage threat which is one aspect our offense is sorely lacking in. 4.64 forty only gets you so far..... which is about 5 yards. :shifty:

:Warning only wanted to throw an obvious point in that someone would have made otherwise:

I guess a 4.71 can only take you to the Hall of Fame though... Jerry Rice

I'm just kidding with that, they're not comparable. I think with an addition like your favorite guy Greg Little would not only give us freedom on first down, but also give us some depth at Wide Receiver that we so badly need.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

I wouldn't draft Locker anywhere in this draft as a quarterback so I'm on board there; but I love Mallett and think he's going to be a great quarterback.

Greg Little is a great option at that spot.

There are a ton of good receivers in this draft. I could make a case for AJ Green, Justin Blackmon, Juio Jones and Ryan Broyles all going in the first round as well as a couple of guys that aren't even eligable to go to the draft (Alshon Jeffery and Greg Childs.)

As much as you like Mallett is probably how much I like Little. I don't dislike Mallett, but I think he's a few years from reaching his high potential which IMO will push him down the draft a bit. Not far, but possibly too far for us to want to take him at 15ish. If we're at 28ish, then I think he'd have to be considered. Too bad Jeffery couldn't come out; he'd probably push Green right into our lap. :pity:

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

That could not be further from the truth. Not even close. Just because he's fielded some deep punts that out kicked their coverage doesn't make him a good punt returner. He is the most underwhelming return man I've seen and please don't reference stats to defend this. I've seen every one of Bess' games as a pro. He's not a top return man.

Eh, to each their own, Bess is a much better than average PR believe what one will.

Anywho, keep in mind BM had his best season with Eddie Royal in the slot and healthy and imho Royal is far more explosive than Hartline or Bess, which is why imho they are test driving Marlon Moore.

"uab_phin wrote:

:Warning only wanted to throw an obvious point in that someone would have made otherwise:

I guess a 4.71 can only take you to the Hall of Fame though... Jerry Rice

I'm just kidding with that, they're not comparable. I think with an addition like your favorite guy Greg Little would not only give us freedom on first down, but also give us some depth at Wide Receiver that we so badly need.

ya bum. You had me going for a second. :tongue2: Am I crazy to think that adding 1 player at WR <like Little, Julio, or Blackmon> could change our entire dynamics at the position (based on this one guy allowing us to move Hartline to slot, the upgrade at the #2, and giving Brandon & Fasano a little more space underneath)?

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Exactly. We saw how bad it was against Cleveland when Marshall went out and how bad it was against Buffalo when Hartline went out. I do think Kevin Curtis is a decent depth filler, though.

Our depth at WR wouldnt start on a handful of college teams. Embarrassing. :lol: