Mel Kiper bashes Tannehill

"jdang307 wrote:

The only years he played without Pippen were his early years. Pippen played in his prime without Jordan. They didn't win.

And yet Jordan still had no rings prior playing with Pippen and no rings after that.

"jdang307 wrote:

Why is it not being honest? Luck and Tannehill both drafted same year, both drafted high, both started right away. This is the pros, the last stop. You don't get a crutch. If Tannehill needed that much development we should NOT have drafted him that early, or played him that early. We could have taken Wilson later much later in fact.

IT is absolutely fair to compare players. Now, I wouldn't necessarily compare Luck because he was 1st overall and we had no chance. But Tannehill was drafted high, really high. Him vs. Wilson is a much better comparison.

Yeah, he wasn't supposed to play that early.

It is absolutely not fair, to compare the first couple seasons of a QB who was known to be a project with high potential, and a QB coming out who was the best prospect since Manning. If Luck hadn't been better his first couple seasons, it would have been an indictment of him. Tannehill not being as good as Luck his first couple seasons is an indictment of nothing.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

I want the Tannehill defenders to answer this

If you replace michael jordan with mitch richmond, do the Bulls win 6 championships? Is Michael ringless?

Thanks

How in the hairy **** are football and basketball analogous in this conversation?

This is stupid.

The contradiction dolphins fans puts on themselves is mindboggling. All to convince themselves they have a franchise quarterback.

Dan Marino had no running game, no defense, and not a receiver worth a damn in the 90s and still made the playoffs. So what does that say about Marino and Tannehill?

"Vertical Limit wrote:

The contradiction dolphins fans puts on themselves is mindboggling. All to convince themselves they have a franchise quarterback.

Dan Marino had no running game, no defense, and not a receiver worth a damn in the 90s and still made the playoffs. So what does that say about Marino and Tannehill?

Clayton and Duper says hi.

That Tannehill isn't a first ballot HoFer?

So what??

Fair comparisons for Ryan include...Andy Dalton, Nick Foles, Sam Bradford, Alex Smith. But the only threads you see around here are his lovers are trying to use Andrew Luck, Russel Wilson and Matt Ryan. It's why these threads get so out of control, about 4 posters on here are THAT unrealistic about Ryan....and the pathetic excuses begin.

I really would love a good Alex Smith Ryan Tannehill debate...they have so many similarities that it could create a solid reasonable debate.

That Tannehill isnt good enough to lead a team at this point, which means hes not a franchise quarterback. At best a game manager IF all the perfect pieces are in place.

Why is this so hard for you all to understand is beyond me. Luck and Wilson have been to the playoffs and beyond with a bad offensive line too, and have won playoff games.

And nevermind Luck, we will use Wilson as the example. Wilson was sacked 2.7times per game last year. Tannehill was sacked 2.9 times per game last year.

This year he is getting sacked 4.5 times per game compared to Tannehill's 2.7.

Wilsons best receiver is Doug Baldwin. Wilson isnt accepting excuses, he is finding ways to win period. And i recall all you salty fans here calling out Wilson the firdt three quarters of the NFC championship game and dead silence when Wilson made play after play in the final five minutes last year. You all cant accept this guy is better than Tannehill. And he is that, far, levels above Tannehill.

And why did he even have a chance in that game?

When you answer that, maybe you'll understand why Tannehill is being unfairly criticized.

Oh well, you, fin d, and that other guy will take tannehill, luck or wilson, which ever name comes out of the hat is fine with you all. Theyre all equal. Got it. The rest of the world would have Ryan as the backup quarterback to Derek Carr.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

That Tannehill isnt good enough to lead a team at this point, which means hes not a franchise quarterback. At best a game manager IF all the perfect pieces are in place.

Why is this so hard for you all to understand is beyond me. Luck and Wilson have been to the playoffs and beyond with a bad offensive line too, and have won playoff games.

And nevermind Luck, we will use Wilson as the example. Wilson was sacked 4.5 times per game last year, only two teams were sacked more than Wilson. Tannehill was sacked 2.5 times per game last year.

This year he is getting sacked 2.7 times per game compared to Tannehill's 2.9. So the difference is minimal.

Wilsons best receiver is Doug Baldwin. Wilson isnt accepting excuses, he is finding ways to win period. And i recall all you salty fans here calling out Wilson the firdt three quarters of the NFC championship game and dead silence when Wilson made play after play in the final five minutes last year. You all cant accept this guy is better than Tannehill. And he is that, far, levels above Tannehill.

Vert, it's a revolving door of excuses with these guys. No logical response is going to happen. They are either trolling the board in an all time epic way....or are head over heels in love with thinking they have there guy.

The best thing Ryan had going for him is that he is a young QB who despite still being flawed had improved every year he had been in the league. That isn't the case thus far, he looks even worse than he did this time last year....the only hope is that he snaps out of it and plays better than ever. That's not impossible, but as of now? There isn't much to hang your hat on as a fan of Ryan.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Oh well, you, fin d, and that other guy will take tannehill, luck or wilson, which ever name comes out of the hat is fine with you all. Theyre all equal. Got it. The rest of the world would have Ryan as the backup quarterback to Derek Carr.

WTF are you even talking about?

Skip II and the Bayless Bunch are really having a hard time right now it seems.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Oh well, you, fin d, and that other guy will take tannehill, luck or wilson, which ever name comes out of the hat is fine with you all. Theyre all equal. Got it. The rest of the world would have Ryan as the backup quarterback to Derek Carr.

Id still take Ryan over Carr, but it is certainly a debatable topic. In fact? I want to start it, just so I can see one of those guys claim Derek Carr has much better surroundings.

"Fin D wrote:

WTF are you even talking about?

Skip II and the Bayless Bunch are really having a hard time right now it seems.

From what i learned from you this season it takes you a while to understand things. It wasnt until recently that you hopped off the Philbinwagon. Dont worry, soon you will see what im talking about. Not everyone picks things up fast.

So, no comment on what allowed Wilson to even have a chance at coming back in that game? After he played so terribly for three quarters?

"Vertical Limit wrote:

That Tannehill isnt good enough to lead a team at this point, which means hes not a franchise quarterback. At best a game manager IF all the perfect pieces are in place.

Why is this so hard for you all to understand is beyond me. Luck and Wilson have been to the playoffs and beyond with a bad offensive line too, and have won playoff games.

And nevermind Luck, we will use Wilson as the example. Wilson was sacked 2.7times per game last year. Tannehill was sacked 2.9 times per game last year.

This year he is getting sacked 4.5 times per game compared to Tannehill's 2.7.

Wilsons best receiver is Doug Baldwin. Wilson isnt accepting excuses, he is finding ways to win period. And i recall all you salty fans here calling out Wilson the firdt three quarters of the NFC championship game and dead silence when Wilson made play after play in the final five minutes last year. You all cant accept this guy is better than Tannehill. And he is that, far, levels above Tannehill.

I want you to read this again, and I want you to scan it for the words "Seattle's defense". You'll notice that you didn't mention them. You also didn't mention the name "Marshawn lynch".

Have...have you ever watched the Seahawks play? That same nfc championship game...the reason wilson was able to make "play after play" at the end was because his phenomenal defense didn't let his ****ty play ruin them for the first 3 and a half qtrs.

I don't care if Wilson's better but don't ****ing dismiss the fantastic situation he's in and compare it to our **** show saying "tannehill sucks, he can't win games like wilson does in seattle".

You think wilson would be doing anything if he were here????????

"resnor wrote:

So, no comment on what allowed Wilson to even have a chance at coming back in that game? After he played so terribly for three quarters?

It's like Aaron rodgers went out and hit an imaginary wall I guess. Idk what else might have stopped him.

"resnor wrote:

So, no comment on what allowed Wilson to even have a chance at coming back in that game? After he played so terribly for three quarters?

Do you have any comment on me showing you that Ryan has had a better defense and pass protection than Andrew Luck, and yet still wins 33% more games?

"Fin-O wrote:

Do you have any comment on me showing you that Ryan has had a better defense and pass protection than Andrew Luck, and yet still wins 33% more games?

Andrew lucks the better qb. Congrats. You're amazing. Now...what's your point??? Aaron rodgers is better than alex smith too, should chiefs fans just stop watching football because of it?

"CitizenSnips wrote:

Andrew lucks the better qb. Congrats. You're amazing. Now...what's your point??? Aaron rodgers is better than alex smith too, should chiefs fans just stop watching football because of it?

Terrible reply.

My question was aimed at a guy who actually thinks Ryan is on the same level as Luck. So perhaps you should get more info before stepping in.

Again, genius, the first two or three seasons, Luck SHOULD have won more games, if he were on a similar team with weaker opponents, since he was FAR BETTER AND MORE POLISHED coming out of college. Why is that a negative on Tannehill? Why is it you guys want to use the first two seasons against Tannehill? Last year, very similar stats, yet Luck win more games. Why is that? Certainly it had to do with others in the team. How does Luck look so far this season?

You're so hell bent on proving that Tannehill is not good, that you get lost in your own argument.

"Fin-O wrote:

Terrible reply.

My question was aimed at a guy who actually thinks Ryan is on the same level as Luck. So perhaps you should get more info before stepping in.

All the same, what's your point? That all must have the same opinion, that tannehill sucks, and then and only then can we...what??? Where does this pissing contest actually lead?

Do you agree that a defense could be great for half a season, and terrible for the other half, and still average out slightly better than an average defense?

"resnor wrote:

Do you agree that a defense could be great for half a season, and terrible for the other half, and still average out slightly better than an average defense?

And what did Ryan do in 2014?? He had 8 games better than avg and 8 games below it. Stop with your bs excuses and man up when it comes to this guy. He is a decent QB, but you guys refuse to accept any criticism of him unless it is with a "yeah but"....

What has he actually accomplished in this league? Using a high volume of passing attempts to put up high yardage numbers while making intermediate tnrows is not enough. If he has hit a wall in his development (no he is not a developed QB) then we need to get out of that contract ASAP.

"CitizenSnips wrote:

Andrew lucks the better qb. Congrats. You're amazing. Now...what's your point??? Aaron rodgers is better than alex smith too, should chiefs fans just stop watching football because of it?

Nice misdirection.