http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...o-dont-have-time-to-develop-another-young-qb/
Kevin Kolb is not very good.
This is more or less the reality of the situation, and I really am not a Kiper fan, but this is obvious, drafting a Qb this time around makes very little sense..in this situation.
The ugly fact is Coaches and GM's who take a Qb "for the good of the franchise" rarely stick around long enough to see them develop, from Manning to Rodgers, the people who drafted them were fired shortly thereafter.
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Kiper will change his opinion in a few days, like he does all of his draft prospects.
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I can't even imagine the chaos that would ensue if we traded everything away for Kolb and Henne beats him out in training camp to be the starter. I'm still just not sure what people see in Kolb?? Somebody please explain why Kolb could be the answer, other than because ESPN says he's a big name FA.
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Now the more radical option is "what if Ross means to honor those extensions"?
That would be great for him, and the franchise imho, it would allow them to draft a Qb at #15 without the peril of doing so and being fired.
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There’s a growing expectation leaguewide that rookies should be able to play and play well, even rookie QBs. Drafting a QB doesn’t necessarily mean waiting four years for the guy to be good.gunn34, DolfanJake and CashInFist like this. -
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-Turner
-Rice
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Ring any bells? They all were running backs that could move the offense and take pressure off of the above named Qb's.
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I think he brings up a good point .This is a lame duck regime and they are more likely to draft someone one who can help them next year especially on offense than to draft a QB who will not fully develop until after they are fired.
By the same token I think a top notch RB like Ingram seems like the likely pick given that RBs dont need much time to be ready to start .
It would not be my choice but it seems like the most logical pick.DolfanJake likes this. -
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It's a tough spot to be in. Ross obviously has his doubts about Tony Sparano. And now this regime is tasked with solving our QB problem. Being in a do or die situation puts them in a position where they might not necessarily do what's best for the team in the long run. It's why despite liking Tony, I really wish they had brought someone in who could have had a fresh start. I don't think Tony Sparano and his ra ra fist pumping ways, but seemingly limited Xs and Os, especially on offense is the coach who can develop a young QB. It takes a veteran like Pennington who already knows the ropes to have success with this type of coach.
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finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member
Good organizations don't draft scared about their jobs. If these guys are thinking this way we won't go anywhere and they will be fired in year anyhow. We need to draft a Qb regardless of the veteran we pickup, if we go into next season with Henne/Thigpen they might as well start looking for jobs right now. The best we can do with our current Qbs is one and done in the playoffs.
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Who knows what to expect from Teflon Tony. Kevin Kolb does not meet the mobility requirement that Tony's big play commission concluded is the primary component of big pass plays. Nor would his arrival guarantee a playoff appearance. There are a few free agents who are mobile but no one you would risk your career on. I see the team having interest in Alex Smith and Brodie Croyle with some of these more mobile guys being in the mix. I could live with a Henne/Smith/4th round draftee competition next year.
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But even then, the only way taking a Qb at #15 makes sense is if Irish and Sparano feel the team is good enough to make the playoffs as it sits right now, and Getting Odie and Edds back is equal to using the #15 pick. -
As I've said elsewhere, I hate this line of reasoning more than I hate the Jets or Tom Brady, and that's a lot.
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It might be better to say that those who select bad quarterbacks as the good of the franchise likely will not stick around long enough. Those that select good quarterbacks have a better chance to stick around. -
The fact we needed to go and examine where big plays come from tells you how bad it is; even the coaches don't know where they come from.
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So the quality of the player is irrelevant to the conversation? So if I take a quarterback high then the coach has a good chance to leave? Steve Spagnuolo should watch out then as Sam Bradford may be his undoing?gafinfan likes this. -
Recall the Browns were coming off of a 10-6 season, traded up to draft Brady Quinn, and the owner cleared house the next season, that is how this goes at times, if anything this cranks up the pressure to find ways to get it done aside from having that quality starting Qb as there is no more time to "develop players for the future".
The future for Irish and Sparano, is now.GMJohnson likes this. -
It was Brady Quinn's fault?
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Which is why, it would be better if Ross allowed Sparano 2yrs, but fans want it both ways "we want a Qb with a first rd pick!" then "fire the fist pumper!".Pandarilla likes this. -
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Marty wasn't fired because he drafted Phillip Rivers. He was fired because he didn't win the playoff game.
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I hate to say it, but our best shot at short term success will be with Henne at the helm (weird, sounds like Charles in Charge). I'm banking a lot of this on the post game interview with Aaron Rodgers after the super bowl when he said that it was his second year of being the starter that he really improved.
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I agree, you dont necessarily need to wait several years for a QB to be successful. However, the situation that the QB steps into is very important to whether or not they have success. Give a guy a running game, some playmakers, a defense, and he'll have a good chance to succeed. If you dont give a young QB those things, you're putting the pressure of carrying the team on his shoulders, and only the best will have any success.
I dont care who we draft at QB, if anyone. If we don't fix the other problems on the offense then there's no point in putting the new QB on the field. And if we do fix the other problems we have on offense, then maybe we wont need a new QB.ToddsPhins likes this. -
As crazy as this does sound, I kind of believe that this could be a good team for a 1st year QB to take over. Honestly if you break it down we have a pretty good setup for a new young QB. We have a very good defense and as good as they were last year in a brand new system they are going to be even better this year with more comfort and knowlege in the system, as well as Nolan's comfort and knowlege about the players. The offense, we have a great WR in Marshall and a great slot reciever in Bess. We have one of if not the best LT in the NFL, Solid O-Line with a little help from FA. A good RB from FA or the draft and I feel like we have a pretty solid team for a young talented QB.
More than anything it just boils down to what QB you get. You can get Flacco or Ryan in the 1st round, or you can end up with Brady Quinn. Bradford came in this year and looked good with a very weak team around him other than Jackson. You just have to find the talent, and we haven't had much luck with that at the QB position in the draft the past decade.
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Here is how I view our situation. We are screwed!
What they need to do is show the fans that they got some magic up their sleeves to restore confidence or you will see lots of empty orange seats. Henne is a mess right now and really needs to work with our receivers and on himself this off-season or he is not worth keeping even as a B/U. The challenge in front of him is the likelihood of a lockout and a new OC with a new offensive scheme to learn. These guys can not meet with coaches to learn what is expected of them which means Henne needs to take on a leadership role (which he has not done yet) and organize player practices without coaches. Henne has to take control of this offense and create continuity between them. Personally I do not believe Henne can deliver on that.
Sign a vet and the problem becomes even worse. He has no relationship with players on the team. He will come in last minute and be expected to learn a new playbook on the fly. It does not sound like a solid formula for winning to me.
Reach in the draft for a starter QB and then you get a rookie QB who has never played in the NFL and in all likelihood had a short camp to try to learn. The options just get more and more dismal as we go.
The only realistic thing this staff can do is keep Henne as our starter and hope for the best from it. Keep building the team around him in this draft. Hire a vet QB that maybe mid season will be ready to take over if Henne screws the pooch again. Bring in a developmental QB out of the draft and hope he pans out down the road. It is pretty much the same dumb formula we have not had any success with over the past 5 years since we got rid of Jay Fielder.padre31 likes this. -
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With the greater pressure on rookie QBs to produce immediately <rather than giving them a year or so to sit and develop like they were afforded in the past>, it becomes even more significant to have a somewhat establish offense around him to grow in....... and if it's not quite established, then IMO the rookie QB needs to be someone like a Matt Ryan or Josh Freeman who has some brains, came from a pro style offense, and has a shorter learning curve. I don't see any guys atop this draft who are close to being NFL ready or carrying the burden of struggling offense.gafinfan likes this. -
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All of this is assuming that we are in fact in a "Win Now" mode. We honestly don't know what mode we are in. For all we know, Ross could have said draft a legitimate QB, train im up and you're good. He might have learned from his mistake of wooing Harbaugh.
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You're going to laugh at me, but you know who I've just been watching all night that has surprised the sh-t out of me and can actually play the game of football pretty well?
Seneca Wallace.
Not joking. He basically played 3.5 games this year, against the Chiefs, Ravens, Bengals and Falcons. I picked out his Ravens game, toughest defense, figured I'd get right to it and see how bad is 'bad' for him. And you know what? Good. He was good against the Ravens. There were some things he did made me question his intelligence a little, but for the most part he played really well against a tough Ravens defense, and also against the Falcons...damn near perfect for a half against them, before he got hurt thanks to Joe Thomas getting totally bytched by John Abraham on a play just before halftime. Wallace only had one real big mistake against the Falcons but it didn't cost him an interception as it maybe should have. But you see that across the board, every QB has those.
But you know what the real ***** of it is? A few days ago the Browns agreed to a deal with Seneca for him to come back to Cleveland and be insurance against Colt McCoy.
That sucks. I'm dead serious based on what I saw he might have been the best veteran QB option I'd watched from 2010. He wasn't playing in a good offense either so it's not like he was made to look good. The kid just showed all kinds of moxie, dodging bullets in the backfield, making big throws, making timely throws off blitz reads, accuracy, etc. The only thing that stood out on the negative was again he'd have a brain fart here and there, and also it looks to me like he's pretty bad with throwing the deep sideline pass...much better over the deep middle.