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Merged: Ahahaha. Once a cheat, always a cheat / DeflateGate

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MAFishFan, Jan 19, 2015.

  1. LiferYank

    LiferYank New Member

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    Yes because the equip manager has more to gain then Brady or Belicheck does.... ;)
     
  2. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    It won't do any good, especially when the league shares blame. This has been a gigantic loophole that has been going on for over a decade. It will definitely be changed in the offseason though.
     
  3. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    How much did what the Saints do have an impact on their games? Thing is.. They always skirt the rules.. Time to send a message.
     
  4. LiferYank

    LiferYank New Member

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    So it went from being the Ref's fault to now the leagues? FFS the Denial is strong in some!
     
  5. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    The Saints were actually trying to injure players on the opposing team. I view that as a much bigger issue than having a little air taken out of the ball

    I have no problem with the Patriots organization being penalized for breaking the rules. I just question, if having an exact amount of air in each football is such a big issue? Why does the NFL allow teams to control the balls they use during the game?
    It makes more sense that an official would be in charge of the balls and each team would have to use the same footballs during the game.

    To me this entire issue is ridiculous, but I realize it is against the rules to alter the air pressure in the ball. So the NFL should just impose a fine on those they find responsible and change the rule in the off season to insure the officials are in charge of the balls during the game in the future.
     
  6. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    so yea, Brady saying that makes perfect sense.

    Even Theismann and Steve Young both agree they it would be hard to notice for anyone, even the Quarterback.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...teve-young-nfl-deflategate-patriots/22130249/
     
  7. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It's the same argument used to defend how the refs who touch the ball after every play, didn't notice it.
     
  9. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    So because he might not notice at the line of scrimmage makes it ok for him or anyone else to have the balls illegally altered? I see you're right back to drinking the Patriots Kool Aid after wanting Belicheat fired a few pages back.
     
  10. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Since we`re playing the "former QB said" game, Aikman just said theres no way possible that Brady does not know what exactly happened. He has no doubt whatsoever that Brady knows.
     
  11. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    I said if it comes down to them being caught doing something, they haven't.

    I didn't state a position, you're so quick to attack. I just posted the article and said, well it make sense he said that.
     
  12. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    Well there you go, it's going to continue to be a he said she said thing I guess.
     
  13. This is a non issue, not sure why people are making a big deal out of this.
     
  14. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Belichick and Brady are playing "I don't know" card, I didn't expect anything different so we`ll see if the league buys it. There cant be an honest Patriots fan alive who believes that neither one of them knows what happened.
     
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  15. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    that should make you happy then, because when the league finds out what happened, they will look even worse.
     
  16. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    When you post sarcasm try putting a --->:shifty: next to it so you don't come off as sounding silly.
     
  17. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If it's not an issue then why would they do it in the first place?
     
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  18. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    I didn't read all the previous pages so if you answered this question already, my apologies . Whats your honest take on all this? Do you believe Belichick and/or Brady seriously don't know.?
     
  19. Piston Honda

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    Exactly. Brady is on record saying he likes under inflated balls, so it's very unlikely he'd have under inflated balls and not notice it. Not saying he ordered it but he knew it was happening.
     
  20. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    I honestly can't tell you. I just keep trying to seek out new information, but the reports are all over the map here. You've got some players so it makes no difference. you have some saying it does. Sports science said it makes almost no difference. You have he said she arguments.

    The only opinion I have about the press conferences is basically what I just told you, if they did do it, and it comes back on them, it's going to look 100 times worse.. And at that point, Belichick needs to go.
     
  21. No sarcasm at all, i have been saying from the beginning that this is petty.
     
  22. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    The punsishment should be changing the name of the team from the new england patriots to the new england astericks since by the time belichik and brady retire every accomplishment will be tainted with some type of wrongdoing
     
  23. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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  24. djphinfan

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    if indeed the balls have been deflated by the QB then the act is anything but petty, it is a serious advantage to throwing, catching and holding on to the football, especially in inclement weather.
     
  25. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    We aren't talking jets history here, we're talking about the cheating patriots. Try to keep up
     
  26. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    The league can't consider it too serious, given the fine associated with it.
     
  27. brandon27

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    Brady sure looked uncomfortable in that press conference. Sure didn't seem like a guy who was confident in what he was saying. You'd think he'd have spoken a little more confident, and with a bit more conviction about the issue if what he said was really the case. Just my opinion. I know when I get grilled about something at work or by the wife (lol) in a funky situation, if im telling my side of the story, and its true, im speaking with a hell of alot more conviction and confidence in what im saying that that...
     
  28. brandon27

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  29. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if anyone took air pressure readings on the Jets balls at halftime during Geno's perfect game?

    Maybe that's why... oh nevermind.
     
  30. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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  31. McLovin

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  32. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    It's not that crazy. They cheated. They were caught. They are now throwing blame on the equipment guys.

    Reaching for straws man, but I don't blame you. I would be doing the same if it were my team caught red handed.
     
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  33. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Both sides are reaching lol
     
  34. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    I'd be embarrassed to be a fan if my team cheated.
     
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  35. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    This is great stuff. Love it.
     
  36. Phins_Fan_87

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  37. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    you're right man. I'm starting to think that I might have done it.


    I'm not reaching at anything. I am referencing the back and forth of the reports. One second someone said this. Next second they didn't say that.

    it's been a **** show.
     
  38. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    I'm already sick of this.

    But the thing is, if it didn't make a difference, they wouldn't have wasted the time doing it to begin with. Its an NFL rule for a reason. Of course it wouldn't have made a difference against the Colts, the Pats would've won with their hands behind their backs. Who knows when else they've done it though, and if the games were much closer like the Ravens game, it would make a difference there.
     
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  39. Pauly

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    That fills in a blank for me. I have read the old newspaper reports at the time and prior to the penalty no one thought anything was going to happen.
     
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  40. Lionbush

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    It's not really about the balls anymore or wether they would have made a difference in game or not. That's not the issue. The issue is about two rules in place about the weight of the balls and not tampering with them after inspection. The question is have the Patriots broke those two rules, regardless of what the perceived effect is of the balls in game, have they broke two rules that are in place prohibiting the behaviour.

    If if the answer is yes, then as this is the second offence, hammer them.
     

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