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Meh. This had to happen for the vote, so it's not really a surprise, but I'm still glad that they're moving in the right direction.
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Yep, and now it will come down to the vote. It has to happen.
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I hate when people continue to say things like "Miami voters..the chance to weigh in on whether their tax dollars...."
It is not the voters tax dollars. It's bull**** like this that give people inaccurate or erroneous information and then they make poor decisions based on that inaccurate or erroneous information.P h i N s A N i T y likes this. -
Silly question time..if the citizen vote is against passing it, is that it?, nothing else matters?, and if so, why did we decide to put the fate in such an important economical decision for this city in people's hands who don't have a clue?
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The reason for that is that it's completely politically toxic otherwise. Gimenez and most of the county commissioners only have their jobs because they opposed the Marlins stadium deal.MikeHoncho and like this. -
And I'm still waiting to see what voodoo mumbo jumbo Gimenez puts into this deal that will somehow allow the county to raise over $200 million without taking out a loan or dipping into the general fund. Unless of course they can somehow buold this thing without cash and the contractors and workers are accepting a barter arrangement -
In our system you elect people who are supposed to use that money for the general welfare. Too often they don't. -
The county is supposed to use it for the highest and best use, but it can only be used for these types of public works. Constructing and bettering sporting facilities in our city is the highest and best of uses. -
Also, i'm speaking mainly on how it sounds when people say "Miami voters get to weigh in on whether their tax dollars are to be used". When people say things like that, the automatic rationale of the average voter is to think "hey, they're going to use the money they take from my pockets to remodel a stadium" when in fact that is not accurate.
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The closer this gets, the more confidence I have in it being passed. Very little vocal opposition from what I can tell.
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You're digging deeper and deeper.
Any revenue that is accrued through taxation, regardless of source, is money for that jurisdiction--the people's money. If the people decide that they'd rather have that money spent on infrastructure, or any other number of areas, it's their right as citizens to decide that.
In all honesty, even though it's a better deal than the Marlins gave them, there's very little incentive for the people to vote for this, IMO. There is little to no correlation between stadium renovation and increased revenue for the team and/or city.ASOT likes this. -
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Since I dont live in S. Fl....what is they climate in Dade County..for this? I just....cant believe Miami wont back this. The Dolphins are part of Miami. Its gotta get done.....right?
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There's quite a bit of empirical evidence out there that that won't be the case, and so I disagree with that logic if their stance is truly what you're saying it is.
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Not to mention that there are rumors that Ross would go on with the renovations with or without the city (and another that he'd sell the team without the city lol).
Anyway, don't you agree that it would've been better if the decision to build Marlins Park was left to the people, and not the politicians?ASOT likes this. -
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Let's just pray that history doesn't repeat itself.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeoza...me-baseballs-most-expensive-stadium-disaster/
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They want 143 mill from the public, the economy will make that back and a hell of a lot more, they will also get their loan guranteed to be paid back, and it will be put in writing or else..
Doesn't every situation, or for that matter, every investment oppurtunity, need to be judged independently, with a clean slate, so you don't generalize two situations and make a bad decision based on nothing??
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I know the politicians screwed the pooch big time on that Marlins deal. That being said, i don't know how those numbers in the Forbes link add up. Stadium cost 630M, of which i believe the Marlins payed 200M. So that Forbes link is saying that the county is going to owe over 3 billion (with a b) in interest for construction on a stadium that cost them 430M? Something doesn't add up.
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Marlins put the county and city on the hook for maintenance. Several more million. -
Dolphins and County agree on framework for stadium deal...
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Strike that. Bonds. County and city took out bonds and borrowed from our good friends on Wall Street.ASOT likes this.
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