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Pennington's a very smart quarterback. I question how effective Ginn could be as a legit deep threat through

Why am I not surprised? If Quincy Carter was talked about this should have been a lock...

wow. i've been trumpeting that i don't see us bringing in pennington because who would be the odd man out? Certainly not Henne, i doubt McCown since this regime just brought him here, and just paid him a fat contract & signing bonus. Didn't think it would be Beck since we just drafted him last year (still under contract), and hasn't really had a chance.

i don't see us carrying four active QBs on the roster either. THEN there's the question of if we're going to be the highest bidder (remember Chad would be free to sign with anyone). i don't see us being the highest bidder.... unless Chad prefers to play for parcells and takes a lower salary to play here.

too many things against this happening IMO. but if they do sign him and cut one of the other 3 QBs, i'd be grossly mistaken. i'll eat my words if that happens, but i just don't see it.

I have no problems bringing in Pennington. Especially since he'll be motivated to beat down the Jets in week 1.

Chad could have more success in Chicago or Minnesota than here. He'll get beat up pretty good in Miami

Doesnt seem like there is a whole lot of hard facts though does there? Does this guy have a source or is he speculating?

"pocoloco wrote:

Pennington's a very smart quarterback. I question how effective Ginn could be as a legit deep threat through

That is a legitimate concern, that’s what crossed my mind right away.

I hate how Parcells goes with the vet qbs. He told Hyded (as per Boomer) that he is on a 3 year plan. What good will starting Pennington over Beck and/or Henne have on that 3 year plan. Let them develope for crying out loud.

My guess is, and I hope I'm worng, that they feel Beck isn't their guy, and they will play Pennington until Henne develops into a starter. I'm really pulling of Beck, and just hope that he gets his opportunity to show his stuff. :no:

"texasPHINSfan wrote:

wow. i've been trumpeting that i don't see us bringing in pennington because who would be the odd man out? Certainly not Henne, i doubt McCown since this regime just brought him here, and just paid him a fat contract & signing bonus. Didn't think it would be Beck since we just drafted him last year (still under contract), and hasn't really had a chance.
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I look for McCown to be the odd guy out. I wouldnt put much solice in the fact the current regime brought in McCown because they figured to bring in a vet and draft a QB anyway with the understanding the vet would be either gone, or on the bench by year 2.

I forget what we gave McCown but i doubt it was so much that the F.O. wouldnt release him and just eat the costs in order to get a more productive Pennington. I think it would cost more to release Beck than McCown anyways... I think

Chad could have more success in Chicago or Minnesota than here. He'll get beat up pretty good in Miami

We just drafted Jake Long, Signed Justin SMiley and DOnald Thomas has been a huge surprise at RG. Carey & Satele are manning the C & RT spots. Are u Seriously.

For those saying how is he gonna get the ball to Ginn the same way he got it to Coles. Remember the BOMBS he usually throws to COles to beat us.

the only problem with him is his arm Strength

"pocoloco wrote:

Chad could have more success in Chicago or Minnesota than here. He'll get beat up pretty good in Miami

good point. why would Chad even want to come here if he knows he can get s more long term role in Chicago or Minny.

What I'm waiting for, is for the Jets to trade Favre to the Vikikngs.

"texasPHINSfan wrote:

wow. i've been trumpeting that i don't see us bringing in pennington because who would be the odd man out? Certainly not Henne, i doubt McCown since this regime just brought him here, and just paid him a fat contract & signing bonus. Didn't think it would be Beck since we just drafted him last year (still under contract), and hasn't really had a chance.

i don't see us carrying four active QBs on the roster either. THEN there's the question of if we're going to be the highest bidder (remember Chad would be free to sign with anyone). i don't see us being the highest bidder.... unless Chad prefers to play for parcells and takes a lower salary to play here.

too many things against this happening IMO. but if they do sign him and cut one of the other 3 QBs, i'd be grossly mistaken. i'll eat my words if that happens, but i just don't see it.

There are ways to keep four quarterbacks on the team, certainly if one were to get hurt, put him on the IR for a year. Now, a Chad Henne could have a little "shoulder problem" and we stash him away on the IR for a year. It's not what I would want to see happen, but it is a plausible scenario.

"dolpns13 wrote:

I look for McCown to be the odd guy out. I wouldnt put much solice in the fact the current regime brought in McCown because they figured to bring in a vet and draft a QB anyway with the understanding the vet would be either gone, or on the bench by year 2.

I forget what we gave McCown but i doubt it was so much that the F.O. wouldnt release him and just eat the costs in order to get a more productive Pennington. I think it would cost more to release Beck than McCown anyways... I think

dolphins signed McCown for two years for $6M.... including $2.5M in guarantees

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFl&id=2090

i don't think they'd release a guy they just paid that to who never played a snap for a team. that would just be a boneheaded move and is not reflective of how parcells has ever acted before. :up:

"Paul 13 wrote:

There are ways to keep four quarterbacks on the team, certainly if one were to get hurt, put him on the IR for a year. Now, a Chad Henne could have a little "shoulder problem" and we stash him away on the IR for a year. It's not what I would want to see happen, but it is a plausible scenario.

not just roster spots, but $$. you'd be paying 4 QBs active-QB money. these guys aren't earning "vet min", keep in mind. :beer:

"gi§h® wrote:

good point. why would Chad even want to come here if he knows he can get s more long term role in Chicago or Minny.

What I'm waiting for, is for the Jets to trade Favre to the Vikikngs.

Not going to happen. It hasn't been widely reported, but there's a poison pill in the trade that costs the Jets something like three additional firsts if they trade Favre to a NFC North team.

"texasPHINSfan wrote:

dolphins signed McCown for two years for $6M.... including $2.5M in guarantees

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFl&id=2090

i don't think they'd release a guy they just paid that to who never played a snap for a team. that would just be a boneheaded move and is not reflective of how parcells has ever acted before. :up:

I don't think the Dolphins saw any way Favre was going to the Jets when they made that move. :wink2:

bringing in pennington isn't gonna help the fact that our recievers as of late couldn't catch a ball if they shoved their hands down their pants..the qb's we have may look a bit better if we can get the wr to hang on to the ones they should catch.

good point. why would Chad even want to come here if he knows he can get s more long term role in Chicago or Minny.

What I'm waiting for, is for the Jets to trade Favre to the Vikikngs.

In Minnesota & Chicago He goes to a place to walk staright into the situation he just left. Have to compete & share time with unproven players at the QB position, who the organization wants to start. In Miami he come to a place where he is reunited with Pacells and Dan Henning. Chad knows and has played in our offense. HE can compete aginst the Jets twice a year and become an immediate starter.

Put it to you this way. Whenever a QB is released they usually come to MIAMI. Joey Harrington, Daunte Culppepper, Trent Green. Get the picture. Plus Parcells wants a Veteran to start, he does not believe in throwing your rookie to the WOLVES like Cam did.

Pennington has a career QB rating of 89...65% completion percentage....only real question is whether he can stay healthy.

"m ino wrote:

bringing in pennington isn't gonna help the fact that our recievers as of late couldn't catch a ball if they shoved their hands down their pants..the qb's we have may look a bit better if we can get the wr to hang on to the ones they should catch.

Having the ball hit the WRs in stride will make it a little easier.

bringing in pennington isn't gonna help the fact that our recievers as of late couldn't catch a ball if they shoved their hands down their pants..the qb's we have may look a bit better if we can get the wr to hang on to the ones they should catch.

If they drop passes Saturday, you cant make this comment, but they are dropping them in Camp. IF there is a place where it is allowed to drop some footballs it is camp.

Also if our starting recievers practiced with a starting QB they wouldn't be dropping so many balls. They have been seeing balls all camp from three different QB.

Just an inquiry as of now. We'll see if it gets any bigger than an inquiry. I wouldn't mind Chad here, I'm just worried that we won't be able to use Ginn effectively this year. The media is all over Beck, calling him "Mr. Checkdown". You wonder what the hell are they gonna say when they see this guy step on the field in a Dolphins uniform. There's a reason his completion percentage is at 65%.

"texasPHINSfan wrote:

dolphins signed McCown for two years for $6M.... including $2.5M in guarantees

I didnt know it was that much... Maybe Beck is the odd guy out then.

S**t, he may not even come here, may not even want to come here... The again, we did inquire about him for a reason and with a plan in place

"dolpns13 wrote:

dolphins signed McCown for two years for $6M.... including $2.5M in guarantees
I didnt know it was that much... Maybe Beck is the odd guy out then.

S**t, he may not even come here, may not even want to come here... The again, we did inquire about him for a reason and with a plan in place

Which is why I question the source on this one. Who inquired? And what was discussed?

If we sign Pennington and waive McCown, what kind of cap hit are we looking at? This kinda stuff has always flown way over my head.