Very scary, imo. A guy who has plantar fasciitis in both feet and will want to be the highest paid safety in the league. The upside is huge but very very risky.
But as long as we add some quality on the OL I still wouldn't complain who else we add.
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apparently Miami wants everyone, Monroe, Safford, Albert, Byrd, C. Johnson, Jackson, Beason...
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I have plantar fasciitis. It's more of an annoyance then anything. In more severe cases you just have to wear orthopedic shoes or shoes that absorb more shock in the heel and wear night splints when sleeping.Da 'Fins, unluckyluciano, SICK and 5 others like this.
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interesting. not sure how to feel about this. Would like to get rid of a few higher salary players if thats the case. Matt Moore would be the first to go in this case imo. No need for a backup that highly paid. Plus lets face it, if tannehill goes down we are done anyway. Don't try to salvage anything get a normal backup.
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Ummm I didn't say I wasn't a severe case. I'm one of those Ortho wearing, night splint mf'ers and yes it's more of an annoyance "and" treatable over time. A lot of people have it (Very common with runners) and I'm sure there are a lot more guys then your hearing about in the media who have it. The main point is that in most cases it's treatable in 6 months to a year.
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Prefer Stevie Brown but would be cautiously optimistic about Jairus Byrd. The cautious part is his speed is going to be a liability in a lot of ways and I HOPE that Kevin Coyle would use him correctly rather than slamming his head into concrete like he's done with several other players.
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Albert and Byrd are two high risk high reward signings, this is a good FA class to pound the middle tier guys if you ask me. That being said the best case scenario with these guys is a pretty damn good one.
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Are they big guys? Its more chronic for people overweight. Otherwise 90% of cases should be treatable with guys like Byrd. Gates I can see it being a fact of life. Sure a lot of OL and DL guys have it.
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Stevie was sick that time he actually played. I'm not sure if he fits the risk profile you've spoke about. I know he's a good player when he plays, but what makes you want him more than Byrd? Serious question. -
The guy is one of the best safeties in football. I would definitely be interested. Coyle has his weaknesses, but his strength seems to be the secondary. He did a good job coaching up the secondary in Cincy, and he's done a fine job in Miami. Look at how many late round guys have developed into solid, to quality players under him. I would trust that Coyle would get the most out of Byrd.
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I rather stick with Clemons another year... maybe go after Dixon in the second round if he's there..
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I'd rather resign Clemons or draft Calvin Pryor in the 1st
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Ouch. Basketball especially. Large guys..hard floors. It's why I always find basketball shoes to be the best things before you get into Ortho shoes.
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Brown was a good college player. He was a linebacker converting to safety much as Byrd was a corner converting to safety. Because of the lineup the Giants had at safety, Brown didn't really break into the position and mostly played special teams. If you're trying to insinuate he's an injury case because of one injury in his four year career then I would have to disagree with that.
It's entirely possible that Brown's 2012 season was kind of a one hit wonder, but I don't think the tape necessarily supports that. He was around the ball an awful lot even when he wasn't intercepting the ball 8 times. He showed natural instincts and was also a pretty safe player. It was only the third year since making a position switch and I think he's probably continuing to ascend.
As for specifically what makes him more attractive to me than Byrd I would point to a number of things. First off he's got better overall athleticism. He's a faster player. You don't have to protect him because of a lack of speed. Second he's a year younger and has less tread on the tires. I also believe based on the two players' skill sets that there's a little bit less of a risk that Kevin Coyle screws up and can't figure out how to use Brown as opposed to Byrd. Coyle has a tendency to jam a square peg in a round hole sometimes and with Byrd's specific skill set I think he needs to be used right or he could go from awesome to not awesome in a hurry. I think Brown has a little more versatility. Finally and perhaps most importantly, there's the cost. I imagine Brown is going to cost half what Byrd will cost. -
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The faciitis is a concern but if the doctors know what they are doing, hopefully he can be healthy enough to play well. As long as he is productive like he's been, I think it is a great signing.
The guy has a nose for the football and, size/speed aside, I want a player like that. He's still only 27. And, he's been consistently productive as a playmaker his whole career. With Byrd and Grimes on the field, I can see a lot of turnovers. I think that's why they like him.
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Just to piggyback on what CK said about Byrd in run support, I just looked at the rushing defense ranks of the Bills since 2009 when Byrd was drafted. Every year they've ranked top 5 in rushes over 20 yards.
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[TD]18[/TD]
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I know their linebackers have been bad prior to 2013, but as the last line of defense this is pretty worrying. Here are Miami's stats from the same time frame:
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Miami was middle of the pack for the last 2 years, but before that they were top 3 in limiting these long runs from 2009 to 2011. I think adding a piece like Byrd is a very, very tricky fit. If Miami can score, and force team to play from behind I think that Byrd would be a great addition. But if those tables are turned, Miami will get pounded on badly in the ground game. -
Ya neither is huge but big enough. The thing that concerns me is when you're a player at a position like safety where you need every bit of speed and quickness and you have foot issues, it can def lessen your effectiveness. That and the obvious annoyance that any kind of training can do to you.
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If your safety is the weak link in your Run D causing you to drop significantly in rankings you have MUCH bigger issues than that spot!!!
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I think with our D, we would have Jones playing more of a Chancellor role, with Byrd more deep centerfield, Thomas/Reed. Could work well for both. Let Jones be more physical and a little looser maybe. Was disappointing last year for him, maybe a Byrd teamup would get him back on track.