"Miami Dolphins might shun QB option with first-round pick"

That makes me about as uneasy as the fact that we don't have a coach yet... Since Flynn is a FA though, I don't mind exploring that option if the price is right. Can't hurt

 

Reality is, when Barkley decided not to declare, our options to draft a Qb dropped by 75%, as if the Rams held out for a premium price for the #2 overall, a team looking for a Qb could just deal with the Vikings or Jags and still land a Qb, as it sits now if the Rams demand excessive value for the #2 overall we may have little choice but to pass on making the trade.

Rams in effect have the #1 overall with Luck sure to be off the board.

This means we may have to go the FA route or stick with Matt Moore depending on price.

 

Well now is about the point in time where we have to ask ourselves if those meaningless wins were worth it.

QB has become such a position of importance in this league. And with the rookie salary cap in place, trading up is going to be ridiculously costly. So we're stuck with playing the free agent game. I suspect that will work out about as well as it did for Arizona.

 

We are in football purgatory, we are not so bad that we can pick a #1 QB, but we are not good enough to win without a #1 QB.

 

Speculation of course, but the trap here is "we need a Qb, Flynn is a FA=perfect fit"

Flynn could be a system Qb, meaning GB's system+talent mix matches his skills perfectly, take him somewhere else and will he play as well?

I'm doubtful, I'd prefer signing a vet FA Qb, there are several, but adding weapons to the offense via the draft and then seeing what will happen.

 

Perhaps, but are Flacco and Smith that much better then Matt Moore?

I'd say no, and keep in mind, the defense is as much responsible for the 6-10 record as the lack of a premium Qb, 4 blown 4th qtr leads, 5 losses by 13 pts on avg.

Offense is sexier to fans, from a objective pov the Defense is as big an issue.

 

If we trade down, my head will explode.

 

Problem is, Flynn is the hot chick, and won't come cheaply, once signed to a big money deal he will start.

That is the way the NFL works, so their is a risk in terms of the salary cap and in terms of opportunity costs, if Flynn flames out the starts he did poorly in kept a better Qb in Moore from playing.

I also think the fact the lions were shredded the next week speaks to what Flynn actually accomplished in his 2nd start, he'll want 30-40 million, still pay it?

 

Trade down and take a defensive tackle, torches and pitchforks and on to Davie.

 

The thing is...1) these are guys that are at or near the top of their profession, even the lower 20 players. They don't have 'roll over and die' in them. Can you imagine what it would take to get the whole 53 man squad to actually tank the season...impossible...not even an option...
2) Without the resurgence of the team, we probably would have a different opinion of a few players...Bush and Moore right off the top, but even guys like Davis, Smith, the entire DL, Jerry, etc had much better runs in the second half of the season for various reasons. We wouldn't have known about that with any of those guys had the season played out differently. This doesn't excuse the first half of the season. What is does show is that perhaps, coaching did have something to do with the first half results vs. the second half of the season. While 6-10 is nothing to get excited about, the individual performances of many players is. We might not have seen that if we'd purposely tanked the season...

 

Sure you still pay it and protect yourself with an out clause.

If there's a chance he's the next Rodgers, you pay. Until we find our franchise QB we should be trying every offseason with whatever resources we have.

 

Well, we can type until our fingers are worn down, this all boils down to how much risk Jeff Ireland is willing to to take on a Qb and on a Head Coach.

 

Time to trade up and draft a quarterback. I'm tired of all these stop gaps that wont help us in the long haul. Jeff Ireland, Stephen Ross or whomever the HC will be, needs to suck it up and trade up at ANY cost.

I don't want a vet QB being our starter, notice how I said starter and not backup. If Robert Griffen III isn't our selection in the first round, I'm done with this team.

Draft QB in 1st round and try filling our defensive needs in FA. Wouldn't hurt to get a legit #2 WR either. Hartline and Bess isn't a legit #2.

 

Ok, how much are you willing to give up to go get RGIII?

 

Seeing the Carson Palmer trade I'd start with two 1st round picks.

 

that's not enough.

 

Hopefully you will be cheering for someone else then.
Griffin isn't worth selling the farm for.

 

Yet, it's too much.

 

it's not if you identify RG3 as "your guy".

In fact..it is never enough for a franchise QB.

 

ISN'T. Sorry. Fixed the typo.

 

I just hope to God Ireland doesn't think that.

 

RGIII is not a "sure" thing. Luck is. Therefore, its worth giving up whatever it would take to get Luck. With RGIII you can't give up your ability to make a move for a QB next draft, in case he doesn't work out. Until you find your franchise QB, you need to make a move to get one every year. This year, Flynn has as much chance at being franchise as RGIII, but he doesn't handicap your chances of finding a guy next year. So you go for Flynn.

 

So, what else is new? We've shunned QB in the first round for the last 28 years.

 

Exactly.
I would pay Indy whatever they want for Andrew Luck.
I would pay nothing for Robert Griffin.

 

We have no choice this year.
Our little meaningless late season winning streak made that a reality.

 

I would rather us not reach for a QB. If "the" QB's are gone by the time we pick, I would rather address a different position than over-value a QB and have him bust. Move on to the next position of need and grab it, or trade down and grab other positions if we can't trade up.

 

I'd pay a couple of picks for RGIII....as long as they are from this draft and not next year's.

I'm all for being adventurous in obtaining the QB of the future....as long as we leave the ability open to try again the next year. Also, until we get our QB, there's no non-QB player worth trading future draft picks for. We must save our picks to make a play for a QB until we get one, then we can spend 2 firsts on a Marshall.