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Miami hasn't trained this hard since the '90s

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sceeto, Jul 11, 2019.

  1. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2...olphins-havent-run-like-this-since-don-shula/

    Head Coach Brian Flores is pushing the team to become one of the most conditioned squads in the league.

    Flores has outlined that he wants the Dolphins to be well conditioned and disciplined, harking back to the Shula era. The little things can make the difference — especially in the South Florida heat.

    So while the talent of the Dolphins’ roster needs continued attention, this is what the team has been preaching as a part of its multi-year process. They are not tanking — they are changing the attitude and approach of the team while also prioritizing draft picks so that the roster remodel can be done effectively.

    And with Miami hosting 1 p.m. home games against the Ravens, Patriots and Chargers this September, all that running might just pay off in the form of a stolen win or two against more talented teams. :up:

     
  2. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    You mean since Saban... saban always had our team in top condition... just didnt amount to results
     
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  3. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets

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    Ya Play like Ya Practice. I tell my teams that all the time.
     
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  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You don’t know if the methods are different, maybe harder who knows.

    I do feel confident he’s the one so that makes me happy.
     
  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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  6. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    It's a double edged sword. If Flores is the type of leader needed to get buy-in, this will only help us. However, if he is not getting the buy-in, people will shut down faster in this environment and his tenure will be short.

    I saw very similar sentiments expressed here in Detroit around Patricia. He came in and from day 1 has been a demanding hard-***, but he really struggled to get the buy-in and to get players to respond to it. This will be a big year for him to see if he was able to rework the roster to enough of "his guys" and whether he can get them producing. If he continues to struggle to get guys to buy in, then he is likely at the end of what may be a very short tenure.
     
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  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It’s a good point, I think that the genuineness of the person will play a huge role in whether these players will follow..Not sure Patricia gives a sh## about anything besides results..
     
  8. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    It kind of did his first year. After we ended up with Culpepper things just went south. I have no idea if Saban could or would have been successful here.
     
  9. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Agreed. I can't say if these workouts are easier, harder or the same as Patricia's or Saban's, but I do recall that we heard early on that the vets didn't really believe in Saban. He simply lacked the leadership to coach men. Hopefully Fores is different.
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah if you rub some the wrong way then you ask for discipline and commitment, not gonna happen..

    I believe this guy is genuine in all the right places..yet has the skills to demand respect..
     
  11. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Saban's authoritarian coaching style works in college. I think you need more than of an ability to empathize with your players in the pros. Hopefully Flores has a nice mix of both.
     
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  12. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    I don't think this will be anywhere near the same as it was with Saban or how it is in Detroit with Patricia. Flores certainly does not seem to be just a disciplinarian, in your face type of coach to whom players of all ages won't respond. I think it is quite the opposite. Yes, he believes in discipline and he is definitely instilling that in the team, but he also seems like a very likeable, humble and player's type of coach.

    I saw an interview with Tunsil and they asked him what the difference is with Flores as compared to the past regime and first, he did say discipline, but he said it in a very positive and motivated type of way. He seems very encouraged and pleased with the change.

    Flores may believe in discipline, but he is certainly a player's type of coach. He is not just some yelling type of, in your face, hard a--. He is younger and can relate more to the younger players. He comes from Brownsville, Brooklyn. That alone will give him some credibility with some of these players as a lot of players today come from impoverished, crime filled types of neighborhoods and environments. For them to see a guy who comes from a similar back round, who was able to make it out and be a successful and respectable type of person, I think that can really resonate with a lot of the players today and, especially, with the younger guys coming out. He can really set them on the right course and lead by example.

    Also, he is the head coach and will set the tone in his way, but he has a very diverse and solid staff. He has Caldwell who is a no nonsense guy, who has a lot of experience and who has worked with good QBs. Caldwell has 17 years of NFL coaching experience, including seven seasons as a head coach for two different NFL teams. He also spent eight years as a college football head coach. We have some young and apparently bright minds who come from good franchises like O'Shea and Graham. We have people like Mackenzie working with the team. He's a guy who a lot of us here wanted as GM awhile back. Flores has a lot of resources at his disposal. I don't see this even close to being the same as the dictator or Nicktator approach of Saban's.

    I think a lot of it will come down to the mental side of coaching. Such as, whether he has the smarts and ability to sit with the QB and Caldwell and breakdown film and really master the Xs and Os of the game or not. We know he can do it with the D, but can he do it on both sides of the ball? He has guys to help and lean on, but he is going to really have to be that type of guy as well in order for the team to be successful. That is a quality which, as of yet, I don't know if he possesses, but I am encouraged and greatly looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

    Personally, this is the most excited and encouraged I have been about a new regime here.
    The success of a regime with it's team is most likely very nuanced and hard to pin down with one definition, but so far, from what we already know as I have laid out, it is very encouraging and I'm psyched to see how it plays out.
     
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  13. Pauly

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    When Don Shula first came to the Dolphins the players didn’T like him at all. There are some you tube documentaries with Csonka et al saying how much they complained about Don. Then the team started winning. Then the team kept on winning. Then the players realized that Don’s way was successful. I don’t think Don was greatly loved at the time, but he was respected (and feared).

    In any team, not just sports, if the leader gets results then they will get buy in from their followers.
     
  14. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores

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    The nice thing about Flores setting the tone is I bet guys are working hard during the break. I wouldn't want to be THAT guy coming in and blowing chunks when everybody else around me is in tip-top shape. LOL!
     
  15. rafael

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    Depending on your starting point though, how much success you need to get that buy-in varies. Shula had the advantage of coming in considered a very good pro coach already. So, presumably it shouldn't take more than a little success to support that good coach presumption. In today's game, the coaches are much less feared so the respect part is bigger. That's where I think Saban struggled. He's a brilliant Xs and Os coach, but he was also an insecure bully. The players didn't respect him despite his college success and intelligence. Saban had a good first season, but when things didn't continue, he quickly lost the team.

    Flores doesn't have that much pedigree. He was/is respected as an assistant but not as a HC. That part probably won't get him far. But he has the "I got here by working hard out of a bad situation" thing going for him. He also seems to be the guy that does a lot of the hard work along side his players. That will earn some respect. So far he seems to come off as very genuine. If he can continue to do that through adversity (which will come) then that can keep the team buying-in.
     
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  16. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    FWIW:








    Also:

    "Flores regularly gave undrafted free agents a true chance to make the team and contribute during his time as a Patriots assistant, and he plans to continue that in Miami. "There's no complacency with those guys, because there can't be any. They know their margin for error is slim. I wish everyone felt that way, but that's not the case for whatever reason," Flores said about UDFAs. -- Cameron Wolfe" (From here)

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    Lastly,

    ""Competition definitely brings out the best in you," he said. "Coach Flo [Brian Flores] has a presence in our meeting room at times, talking about a lot of different situations. He has a really good personality. He's been very consistent with his message so far and that's something that really carries weight in the locker room and gets guys to play for you."" That's Ryan Fitzpatrick speaking.

    (Article here) (Edit: Originally Barry Jackson - from here)
     
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  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Flores:)

    I think after all these years we have our man..
     
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