Miami Herald/Barry Jackson news & notes

Not surprising at all. This makes an Alex Mack selection at 26 or a selection of Max Unger all the more likely. I couldn't blame them if they did that. There's nothing wrong with improving your front-line, ever...

Samson Satele was my guy in 07, in 08 he disappointed, if he can play guard, he would be a top quality back up, though he is a good center who is misplaced in our offensive line at the moment.

That would be a good trio of guards, Thomas, Smiley and Satele.

I see no reason to trade a young offensive lineman that has showed promise. Our biggest problem this year was depth.

I do think that we need to bring a couple more offensive linemen though, including a center. However I think burning 26 on a center might be foolish because the draft is pretty deep in centers.

The draft has talented Cs but what would be even stupider would be passing on two possible All-Pro C prospects simply because we can get another later. Jake Long worked out pretty well didn't he?

If you can get a second or early third for Satele you go for it. I hated going into each and every game last year knowing the center of our offensive line was physically weak.

Penny is one of the smartest players in the NFL, there are few people I would rather have mentoring Henne and Beck( yeah I still have hope for him)

"B.Sebo wrote:

I see no reason to trade a young offensive lineman that has showed promise. Our biggest problem this year was depth.

I do think that we need to bring a couple more offensive linemen though, including a center. However I think burning 26 on a center might be foolish because the draft is pretty deep in centers.

I'm sure they would want to keep him & not trade him. He would give depth to 2 positions and you never know if a Rookie is going to....

* Play well one season and stumble the next...
* Even make the team...
* Get hurt...

You get the point...If he is traded it will be due to another team offering a very good pick for value. This team is still building like EVERY other team in the NFL. If an offer is good enough any player will be traded.

If the Fins get a 2nd or 3rd...He might be a goner...

Satele to be traded?

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nfl?eref=fromSI&page=2

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There's sentiment inside the Dolphins that they need a bigger center than Samson Satele (295-300 pounds), and a Satele trade wouldn't surprise anyone. If Miami moves him to right guard, it would create an intriguing battle among Satele, Donald Thomas (who will be ready for minicamp) and underdog Andy Alleman.

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"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Well what value do you place on a valuable backup interior offensive lineman? I am certain Satele is done with this regime in terms of a starting center, but he could provide much needed depth as a reserve guard behind Donald Thomas and Justin Smiley.

With that said, I'd slap a third or fourth round tag on him and dangle him out there.

A 3rd or 4th?

Favre cost a 3rd.
Moss cost a 4th

Only if the trade was to Oakland will you get that.

Most likely it would be a Draft day trade to move up.

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Don't compare your 38 year old QB who had a huge contract coming and was all but donezo before August.

In a ZBS, Satele is a very good center who is 24 if I'm not mistaken with a couple years of cheap service left. There's a major difference in that.

If Lorenzo Booker could net us a fourth after he cost us a third a year later (with only moderate glimpses), Satele a two year-starter could definitely net a third round pick if not a fourth.

I'd be very happy with a third as that would allow the team to use that in a trade to move up from the 44th overall pick to nab a guy like a Larry English along with a C at 25.

There's some suspicion that Satele been's playing with a shoulder injury this year, and if that's the case then I'd say a trade is unlikely.

However, if it's the case that Satele isn't the mold of O-lineman this regime wants he could be traded. In a Cam Cameron type offense requiring a quick agile center then his worth is much higher than in a caveman offense where the Guards and Centers stay between the tackles.

Never again do I ever want to see another Miami Dolphin offensive line destroyed in the center like that. I know Donald Thomas is strong enough to hold down the fort and Smiley is solid although not great. The team needs a powerful C even when the Gs come back. Alleman is a backup. Ndukwe is blughhh and Satele even at his best is lacking in strength.

Alex Mack and to a lesser degree Max Unger are among handful of Cs who I think stand a chance of taking NTs head-on. If you've got that you've won the line of scrimmage battle against a 3-4. It's over basically. Ray Lewis will be begging for blocking as Donald Thomas hits him every play. Smiley will eliminate Bart Scott at the second level. Samson Satele cannot do that.

Heck at least Matt Roth is solid in coverage and a monster in the run game. He's often blamed for the lack off pass rush. To his credit he has one thing that's good in his game. The interior OL? Zero...

Dude looked like a future all pro a year ago. He needs a new system or a move to guard.

Jaj, I have high hopes for Thomas as well, but he hasn't proven anything yet. A lot of people may have said the same thing about Satele after his first year. At least Samson has played well. Thomas hasn't played at all.

On the other hand one does fit fairly well at his position though. If the shoulder injury is true I will give Samson some lee-way. I just think that a team would probably prefer spending a third round pick for Samson a 32 game starter than hope to get something from an Eric Woods in the third round.

This really shouldnt surprise anyone who watched the Dolphins try to run up the middle this year. traded or not, hes not a starter in Miami anymore. I think with his current contract status, he is a great bargain at backup. He could be enticing to a team like Houston. Im not sure what their situation at C is, but in their system, he would be Steve Slatons best friend.

"padre31 wrote:

Samson Satele was my guy in 07, in 08 he disappointed, if he can play guard, he would be a top quality back up, though he is a good center who is misplaced in our offensive line at the moment.

That would be a good trio of guards, Thomas, Smiley and Satele.

Two offenses, two entirely different staffs, two entirely different playbooks and OL calls in two years clearly was part of his issue. I think Satele will be fine and will rebound next season. It's a plus that he can also play OG.

"jim1 wrote:

There's sentiment inside the Dolphins that they need a bigger center than Samson Satele (295-300 pounds), and a Satele trade wouldn't surprise anyone. If Miami moves him to right guard, it would create an intriguing battle among Satele, Donald Thomas (who will be ready for minicamp) and underdog Andy Alleman.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/story/847269.html

Great..... :pity:

This is what has killed this franchise.
Missing on draft picks and having to redraft the position all over again...... well that and Wanny never drafting certain positions at all. :lol:

I was hoping Satele just had some growing pains or a Soph. slump.
That a little extra work in the weight room and conditioning program in the offseason could cure. May not be the case I guess.

"DOLFANMIKE wrote:

Two offenses, two entirely different staffs, two entirely different playbooks and OL calls in two years clearly was part of his issue. I think Satele will be fine and will rebound next season. It's a plus that he can also play OG.

That's what I've been thinking all year and I hope that's the case.

Well that is what we get for Wes Welker a o-linemen that was good for on year and now we want to trade him.

"Coral Reefer wrote:

Great..... :pity:

This is what has killed this franchise.
Missing on draft picks and having to redraft the position all over again...... well that and Wanny never drafting certain positions at all. :lol:

I was hoping Satele just had some growing pains or a Soph. slump.
That a little extra work in the weight room and conditioning program in the offseason could cure. May not be the case I guess.

In fairness, he was a "hit" in Cams scheme and even if he loses the starting center spot we know he has talent as a guard and that he pulls and blocks in space well. Soo, if we do draft a center, IMO, it doesn't necessarily mean Samson will move to another team.

"padre31 wrote:

Samson Satele was my guy in 07, in 08 he disappointed, if he can play guard, he would be a top quality back up, though he is a good center who is misplaced in our offensive line at the moment.

That would be a good trio of guards, Thomas, Smiley and Satele.

yep...and you know one of them will go down throughout the year. O linemen get dinged up more than most positions. I was excited when we drafted Satele. I mean, who wouldn't like a 300 pound samoan warrior on their offensive line, right? But he just doesn't jump off the screen at me as a dominant mauler or even an excellent technician. He's sort of just "good" at both, but not "great" at either. I've always wanted a Mawae type center. Mean, nasty, big, tough and strong. Like any other sport, you have to be strong up the middle. I like the idea of "upgrading" at center through the draft, and then letting Satele, Thomas and Smiley battle it out for the guard spots. Competetion will deliver us better guard play, and the loser will provide us with better quality depth when (not if) one of the guards goes down with injury.

Why would we get rid of him? All he has to do is put on about 30 lbs of solid muscle and he will fit in the mold of the front office. He definitely looked weak and got tossed around a little too much this year. I think with allot of gym work and another 20-30 lbs of solid muscle added on, he will be great.

Let's not be so eager to kick him to the curb for a complete unknown.

"Frumundah Finnatic wrote:

Penny is one of the smartest players in the NFL, there are few people I would rather have mentoring Henne and Beck( yeah I still have hope for him)

Yeah, Pennington is one of the most knowledgeable quarterbacks in the game today. It's too bad we couldn't draft a young guy that Marino could've mentored.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Well what value do you place on a valuable backup interior offensive lineman? I am certain Satele is done with this regime in terms of a starting center, but he could provide much needed depth as a reserve guard behind Donald Thomas and Justin Smiley.

With that said, I'd slap a third or fourth round tag on him and dangle him out there.

I think you have to look at a team like Denver and Houston and think that you could possibly get a third from them. Those IMO are our best bets, proving that this team wants to move him.