This is much too complicated for the majority of Miami residents, officials, and politicians to understand from a business perpsective.
If its not something you want, how exactly is it blackmail? How can you be blackmailed using something you dont want?
Goodell: " you may not understand, but we are very well aware how much the biggest game in sports brings to your local economy, so please upgrade your stadium....ok...otherwise, we no bring our game down to south beach, ya hear." So lets do some math...lets say low number, 1 Super Bowl earns your market 150 million extra that you wouldn't have had if it didn't come...Ross is asking for about 175 million, hmmmm, if you miss out in the rotation twice, your market is losing about twice as much as if you would of supported the bill...Plus, you help your team, it's fanbase and stay competitive for future big events.
This has nothing to do with me as an individual. It has to do with the entire community and the NFL basically telling this community that you either agree to help pay for upgrades to the stadium or you aren't getting another Super Bowl. Why you can't understand this is beyond me. I stated it is community blackmail and that is exactly what it is. What I want or don't want is totally irrelevant in regards to whether this is blackmail or not. As I stated , I am moving out of South Florida next year and so I won't have any say in this matter as a voter once I move. If the majority of the voters decide to give in to the NFL, that will be fine with me. If they vote against the next referendum to upgrade the stadium, I will be okay with that too. I will be living nearly 6000 miles from South Florida when the SB is played in 2015 and beyond. So where it is played won't be a concern for me, one way or the other. In fact it is only because of the passion of DJ for this issue that I would be happy if the NFL gets their way on this stadium issue. I would love to see the expression on his face when the upgrades are completed and the NFL agrees to bring another SB game to South Florida. DJ has been the one person on here beating the drum the most on this issue. While I have no problem with the stadium the way it is at this time and I think it is good for at least another 10-15 years. I realize that eventually the stadium will have to be renovated or a new stadium built. For DJ's sake, I hope this happens sooner and not later.
I appreciate that j-dub but it's not blackmail, it's business, Goodell knows what the game means to the local economy, he knows Ross is willing to pay more than 50 %, I'm sure he knows the deal that was set forth by Ross' team to the city, which he probably fell off his seat reading, I mean it is an unprecedented deal, and he knows he doesn't want his big party to get rained on again... This is all about bitter feelings taking over good common business sense.
It may be business on the part of the NFL and Ross, but it isn't business to the average voter who never goes to the stadium and has no interest to spending any type of tax money on this private stadium. The reason I see it as community blackmail is that the NFL is trying to use the threat of not granting anymore SB's to this area unless the station is renovated. If the NFL was stating that they would only give SB's to areas which had new or renovated stadiums in the last 10 years. I may not agree with this, but at least we would know exactly what the criteria to get a SB really is. As I noted in an earlier post, I went to the Dolphins game against the Saints a couple of weeks ago. The stadium in New Orleans is in terrible condition. In fact I think Sun Life Stadium is a far superior stadium in comparison. Yet the 2013 SB game was in New Orleans and they are on the short list for 2018. If as the NFL states, it is all about having the latest and greatest stadium if you want a SB game. It makes no sense that New Orleans is on the 2018 short list and Miami isn't. If the excuse for the 2013 game is that this was given to the city after Hurricane Katrina, I'll buy that. But exactly how many SB's should New Orleans and their lousy stadium be awarded because of Hurricane Katrina? As long as New Orleans is allowed to continue to hold SB games without upgrading their stadium, I see no reason SB's can't be held in Miami. Except for the fact the NFL wants to dictate to the South Florida area what they must do to get another SB and New Orleans can do whatever they want to and the NFL doesn't seem to care.
Why do you keep saying this ? The public never got to voice its opinion, and it was killed by political maneuvering in the State House and was never brought to a floor vote even. So will you please get off your high-horse about the public......geeesh. You know bro I also believe a new stadium is whats needed but that isn't going to happen anytime soon. Just get over it, don't keep bringing it up and "in your face" wiggle your finger at us. It's worse than annoying.
Did you also see this...... http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/eric-scheiner/feds-cancel-order-47k-mechanical-bulls
After 30 years. Is Ross going to be alive in 30 years.....noooooo. So it would have never been paid back Oh and he had $ 200 million to throw away to the U of Michigan, yet couldn't spend that on his own asset. Good luck now in ever getting money from the public. Let them leave, thats what NFL Sunday Ticket is for
San Diego will move there before us, and why would the Dolphins move from one decrepit stadium to another one in San Diego ?
DJ just stop it. Ross has said he won't do it again, and he took $ 200 million and gave it away. That act alone was shoving it up the public's behind. He'll never get public money and if they consider it, we'll vote them out just like we voted out those that approved the Marlins deal.
The Fiesta Bowl has been played for the last 5 or 6 years in the new stadium in Glendale, AZ not at Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe. They have already hosted at least one Super Bowl already there. They are in the future mix I believe.
It did, it was called Hurricane Andrew and 26 years later south Miami-Dade County still feels the affects of it.
The public voiced their opinion just fine, initial surveys done were far from favorable.. The thread was factual information, relevant to the market for which the team plays, Miami missing out on two superbowls when they were regulars in the rotation since the inception is a big fu@&ing deal, don't like having a mirror put in the faces of those opposed, don't look.
JW I love your arguments but this is a fallacy that needs to be shattered once in for all. Joe Robbie designed that stadium not with baseball in mind, but with SOCCER in mind. At the time he owned the Ft Lauderdale Strikers. Soccer as a game was gaining fans in this country. He hedged a bet that also the World Cup and future Olympics would be coming to this country, and he was right. But it just so happens that because of the way the story unfolded the stadium he built to be for football and soccer, never was utilized in this capacity. If you recall, the stadium had to be renovated extensively to house baseball. Dugouts had to be designed and also out field and the whole stadium was done with tax dollars from the state and some from Huizenga. Huizenga never bought the Strikers and hence they never played (to my knowledge) in that stadium for their regular season games. Tim Robbie, Joe's son even stayed in some capacity with the team until around 2008 I believe. And even Robbie's vision of the World Cup and Olympic games being played there ironically never happened because of the Marlins playing baseball there at the same time those events were held, and consequently those events were held in the dilapidated Orange Bowl.
DJ the NFL tried to blackmail us before and withheld Super Bowls for 10 years. We didnt have one from 1979 to 1989. Robbie built the stadium and got one. We know what they are doing, and I resent it. They can take the game elsewhere for all I care, you seem to think it impacts the local economy I think its all smoke & mirrors and most of those studies are paid for with grants from the NFL, through Universities. If you can go check and see where the money came from for that study, I'll bet it leads a trail back to NYC and NFL HQ.
He said right afterwards he was done, and not interested in the project any longer. That was why so many people thought he means by that, that he was starting to think about selling the team. What is going to be most interesting is if he does sell the team, will the other party only buy the team. If that happens, what I think could unfold is the new owners could try to get a new stadium from local sources but if that doesn't happen, then they would pursue other venues. This of course is all predicated on the fact that Ross would sell one and not the other. I think he could sell the team, but it will be a very hard sell to do a package deal, and he may in the end lose a lot of money of this deal. So he may hold them longer than he wants, and if he is a reluctant owner, who lives remotely in NYC the chances of the Dolphins being good diminish because Ross may not want to pay for the rescources to keep them top notch. All speculation of course but scenarios to think about.
My whole defense is based in the understanding that the Super Bowl and the exposure it brings world wide brings a very large, additional, monetary contribution.. If you don't feel the same on that one topic I don't see how we can go to the next step..
