Miami's Next HC - is Mike McDaniel! (4 yr contract)

Right, I didn't say that was a depiction of the military in general. I said that could be a depiction of it (or any other group with a leadership hierarchy) under the very specific (and likely very rare) circumstances I outlined in post #838.

It isn't "humor" that's the active ingredient here in my view -- it's potentially the absence of the stern/serious demeanor we've seen from virtually all of the greatest head coaches in college and NFL football history, and in its stead silliness.

 

How many locker rooms/meetings have you been in with Mike McDaniel?

 

Hahaha got blocked by this jackass. Loving it.

 

Strongly disagree with your first point, that was a cartoonish depiction of a lack of discipline. Which is fine for entertainment. But, not really relevant to what I think this discussion is really about anyway.

As for you second point. "Stern" and "Serious" are similar, but have important differences. Check the dictionary if you don't know, not going to debate established definitions. Most of MM's press conference today was serious. It was not stern. There was no need for it to be stern. My best mangers have been serious but not stern. Some players may need stern, I don't think those players need to be on the team. I am fine with that being a template for Dolphins players going forward. Give me Holland and Wilkinson types all day. The proof is in the pudding, and the pudding in this case is the players that loved playing for MM and the proof is their quality. His FB and TE facetimed him during the Probowl to share their success while knowing that most likely he was gone. That's proof of inspired leadership. I've not seen evidence contrary.

 

If that level of involvement with the team was a prerequisite for raising things for discussion on this message board, there wouldn't be a single post.

 

All of that is indeed promising. The question is whether that style can transition effectively from the position/offense level to the overall team level, where the HC functions in the role of creating an overall team culture among a far greater number of players, as opposed to closer individual relationships with a smaller number of players. McDaniel could possess characteristics that allow him to do the latter very well, while failing to possess characteristics necessary to do the former effectively.

 

He has made the transition successfully to coach a higher number of players multiple times in his career. Those transitions have informed and improved the way he leads and interacts with players. There is a history of strong success there. I am far more worried about transitioning into new responsibilities than broadening the scope of old. Basically it's all the new stuff that comes along with being a first time head coach that I am anxious to see handled. Not interacting with and leading players. He's done that.

 

We're all free to express our opinions; that's why we come here. BTW: I don't think I was arguing with you, just noting that there are successful coaches of different stripes. Personally, I'm not sure if I'd be more inclined to follow a no-nonsense guy like Flo or a more laid back one like Carroll or Dan Quinn. Heck, I wonder sometimes how *seemingly unfit* guys like Andy Reid (and formerly, Charlie Weiss) could motivate anybody to break a sweat on a practice field. Ultimately, it comes down to the relationship and if McDaniel can find his guys, he'll be okay. With that being said, it remains to be seen if Flo's guys and McDaniel's guys are similar.

 

Let's get this offseason fired up.

 

I've heard McDaniel is bringing in Wes Welker to the coaching staff.

 

As a combat veteran (10 years in the Marine Corps) I was able to achieve a rank that allowed me to lead groups of Marines numbering over 150 to 250 men (E-7). I can assure you that there are "silly" leaders in the Marine Corps. However, with all of their "smokin' and jokin'" they could flip a switch and straighten out a Marine in a heartbeat. Not all Marines need that type of leadership. A good leader knows what each individual needs in order to be motivated. To the general public, or to players that don't need the stern McDaniel, we see the silly McDaniel. We have no idea what his leadership is like behind closed doors or on a personal level. However, a person that has reached the level of HC in the NFL also has a stern/serious side. I guarantee that...

On a side note...I'm on the record as not liking McDaniel for our HC. Now, I also said that if he was hired I'd back him 100% and be as objective as possible about the hire. I am currently skeptical that he is the guy, but that's due to his lack of experience. Now, I may be 100% wrong and he may end up being the next Shula, but if he fails I doubt that it's because he can be "silly" at times and has no seriousness/stern in him.

 

Many here would debate that statement- they believe an elite QB doesn't need anything but a football.

 

No one here ever suggested that. But many elite QBs won't need a good OL, that much you can say. Almost every non-elite QB will need a decent OL of course. WR is another story. You usually see at least one very good WR on a team with a great passing attack.

 

A line and receiving talent being optional has been suggested A LOT on this site, especially last season. Especially by a few new posters. Especially in this thread and in many "Tua sucks" comments.

 

Ok, I am a retired noncommissioned officer…retired platoon sergeant…retired drill sergeant. Screaming and yelling is a tool. There’s a time and place. Instruction, followed by practice, followed by AARs (After Action Review) followed by more training (training) and if the same mistakes are made, screaming, yelling and consequences are more than appropriate.

I told you how
I showed you how
You practiced how
We reviewed what you did
You practiced how…again

If you still get it wrong, then yea, I’m going off on you and calling you out. And depending on “what” it was, I’m going to punish EVERYONE. Teams (soldiers) WIN together and they LOSE together.

Now I will tell you yea, there were times in the military where we were silly. We worked hard and we played hard…but when we worked, we WORKED! No playing around. Do “it” right…others are depending on you. After mission? Ok, time to play but during mission?

Training soldiers and coaching football are two separate career paths separated by heavy artillery

 

Many elite quarterbacks? How many quarterbacks do you consider elite that don’t have a good line, good running backs and good receivers…not to mention a good defense to set the offense up for success?

Out of 32 teams in the NFL, I would say there are maybe 2.

 

I only spoke of not needing a good OL. Don't create a strawman (you often do this). Wilson, Watson, Burrow have proven it, Mahomes can obviously do it, and Herbert if he can make it into that elite category (he's a bit shy) has shown he doesn't need a decent OL. So I'd say at least 4 and probably 5, and Roethlisberger just retired but he was also an example.

 

Oh wow…I have NO words to reply to the absolute absurdity of this post.

 

Obviously. Since you think Montana was nothing more than a "game manager" it makes total sense you'd disregard the clear evidence of what elite QBs like Wilson, Mahomes, Watson and Burrow can do when the OL fails them. I mean we've seen it in so many games but nope evidence doesn't matter. Personally I think your claim that Montana was just a game manager is 2nd in absurdity only to your claim that if you were in charge we'd "hardly ever lose a game".

Well anyway it's fun talking to you regardless of the absurdities.

 

Yes, but that same evidence sees Watson and Wilson wanting out of their cities. Why? If they're elite, they can be elite anywhere. Same story for Rodgers.

That same evidence also saw Burrow suffer a season ending injury last year and missing half the season. Does that not matter? It sure did to the Bengals last year...that's how they got Chase. An elite QB can't win games from IR.

Mahommes, let's talk about his playoff embarrassment this season. Why was he suddenly off? Could it be that he was pressured and contained at a much higher rate than normal? Isn't that the same way Miami embarrassed an "unbeatable" Ravens team with Lamar Jackson earlier this season?

Your "evidence" says these five elite QBs don't need good protection- but you're only looking at part of the evidence. The reality is that all five of them want/need/demand better.

 

Unless you just won the SB everyone wants to do better. So saying those elite QBs want better is an empty statement because that applies to everyone, not just elite QBs.

Anyway, glad you agree the QBs I listed can function at a high level without a good OL. That's all I claimed.

 

Function? At times, yes. Until they get injured or want to quit the team.

 

Just posting an interesting article. Glad to see someone had my back, for the Dolphins future. Obviously, I like option 2, Kenneth Walker III. BUT, have to draft Tyler Linderbaum with our first pick, or move up if we have too. I see an OC as the rock to solidify the OL for the next decade. Well worth the price to move up, in my eyes. Then, comes Walker with pick 2. Again, may have to move up, but he's a great RB.

WOnt let me post the link... phin phanatic .com, 3 RB options. Good read.

 

Mahomes, as great as he is (the best in the game today, imo), didn’t function too well behind a patchwork line in last years Super Bowl. The Chiefs then made improving the OL their main priority in the offseason.

 

Yeah, but he won the SB with a worse OL than he had this year. This year KC had a very good OL, in 2019 just average. Same with Roethlisberger: won the SB with a bad OL, then they made it better and he didn't win.

If you look at OL play you'll have a hard time predicting SB success. Most SB winners have OL play somewhere in the middle. Some SB winners had great OL, some terrible, most around average. QB however? Most have elite QBs or QBs that played elite that year.

Again, don't overvalue OL. The best predictor for SB success is the QB, not the OL he plays behind.

 

How many have you been in with Flores to act like you know what you’re talking about?

 

I can only go by published reports that players and coaches didn't trust Flores, and him shutting out his coaching staff after Thanksgiving.

 

New Miami Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel is very excited to coach quarterback Tua Tagovailoa because of his drive.

Yet Flores is on record saying he was lazy.

Who knows what the truth is at this point, it's all wait and see.

Of course he has to say Dolphins need to "Grow Together." He hasn't even settled in yet, but he's certainly fawned over Tua left and right and every where in between. Pretty sure I've seen this show before.

Yes, I have no doubt McDaniel will try and win with every piece of personnel he has, he will need to in order to make Tua better than average RPO QB. But to doubt he was brought in specifically because he would be willing to work with Tua (For a nice $Contract$) is just lying to yourself.

He hasn't even worked with Tua yet, and he may as well already be crowning him with his words. It's amusing. Be a good boy McDaniel, don't make Lord Grier angry.

It may be a guessing game, but my guess is, Grier was looking for a 'Yes Man' like himself.

Every time the Dolphins get a new HC it's like throwing a bag of beef jerky over the fence to the angry guard dog... for the fans. And they eat it up. Until the inevitable failure. -Seen this show before.

 

He is hardly fawning over Tua but he is supporting Tua which considering he will be this teams starter that seems like a common sense move to me. Having him say Tua sucks might make you feel better but it probably won't lead to any wins.

 

I don’t think it will take much to make this team good enough to reach the playoffs next season.

However, to turn Miami into a post-season regular and Super Bowl contender will require a lot more work.

 

Mike G. might be gone.

 

Oh, sh*t!! He actually did it. Man, I want McDaniel to succeed because I like him as a dude as much as I do for being the coach of my team.

 

That’s awesome