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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Disgustipate, Jul 12, 2014.
Starks started 14 games last season.
Take the one who's missed/will miss the least games. In this case, it's Mike Pouncey.
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Lol..yeah it was a dumb thing to say..
Beasley says that MBPD have now met with the alleged victims and two other witnesses regarding the incident, and that the investigation continues.
On the one hand, Mike Pouncey is definitely stupid enough to have done what is alleged. On the other hand, the fact he and Maurkice are unequivocally denying that they did it puts the whole thing into he-said/she-said land. So it will come down to witnesses and any potential security camera footage. I think there's picture and time stamp evidence to suggest the victim definitely got victimized by someone. It'll be up to the objective evidence to tell whether the Pounceys were involved. And if it's not enough to get a conviction it could easily still be enough to count against either of the twins in the eyes of Roger Goodell (especially since what is being alleged is essentially gay bashing), and it could be enough to win a civil suit.
Pounceys sued by three people after alleged incident at nightclub
"Riquan James alleges that the Pounceys and their security detail addressed him with “derogatory and homophobic remarks and anti-gay slurs"
"and that the Pounceys “began to push and shove” James. When James asked them to stop, Maurkice allegedly “struck James in the face several times” before the Pounceys and their security detail began “to punch, hit and kick James while he was laying in a fetal position.”
"Niya Pickett allegedly tried to intervene, but Maurkice “punched her in the face and knocked her unconscious."
The attorney representing Dolphins center Mike Pouncey and his brother, Steelers center Maurkice Pouncey, tells my colleague Adam Beasley that the lawsuit filed against them Thursday "is a complete sham" and that his clients plan to counter-sue "for malicious prosecution and defamation."
The original lawsuit, filed in Miami-Dade court Thursday, claims that the brothers roughed up three club-goers at South Beach's Cameo the night of their birthday party earlier this month.
"The plaintiffs and their lawyers are perpetuating these lies in a bid for notoriety and financial gain," said Jeff Ostrow, the Pounceys' attorney.
Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/#storylink=cpy
As much as Pouncey made some questionable (at best) decisions, I highly doubt the plaintiffs in this case have much of a leg to stand on.
If any of it is true, and Mike Pouncey WAS involved with any sort of assault, you waive his *** the moment you confirm it. If it's on a security camera somewhere you cut him, don't wait for a "trial" of anything else.
The guy is a hell of a football player but a piece of crap as a human being. I'd cut him just to get rid of the ****ing headache.
Celebrities and athletes get hit with this crap all the time, especially ones with a rep. So I don't believe the plaintiffs right off.
That being said, Pouncey is leading the pack of a very unlikeable bunch of guys on this team. Really testing my patience as a Dolphan lately.
As air-headed as Pouncey is, I have a really hard time believing he just assaulted a guy in a crowded club with cameras everywhere for no reason at all.
Different to take a player with talent but questions for character late or later the draft than to take them with the 15 th overall pick. At some point the carousel stops , right?
Who else on this team team would you deem unlikeable besides Pouncey and Don Jones? Most of these guys from what I see seem to be pretty good dudes.
Well He's been in an environment where things have been covered up 'for the good of the team' in College (Hernandez) and also in Miami (Incognito). The lesson that he's learned is that if you're a good football player someone else will step in to make your problems go away. What's happened is that because of his high profile being because of being involved around the edges of other guy's bad stuff is that it's mach harder now for him to keep his own bad stuff hidden.
Whether this turns out to be true or not, the Pouncey brothers are really good at getting themselves some negative headlines.
He may very well have felt he had a reason. And given the alcohol (and perhaps other things) that were consumed that night, that reason could easily look irrational to us completely sober message boarders.
I think if you pay attention to the facts and evidence on this one...SOMETHING happened despite all of the Pounceys' flat-out denials.
I remember there being picture and time stamp evidence that Riquan James did indeed get beat up that night. I'm not sure I've seen anything like that for Pickett. But if Brantley Williams required stitches for her leg then that is certainly corroborating evidence of a violent event that night.
And if Brantley Williams isn't acquainted with Riquan James or Niya Pickett then I think the Pounceys could be sunk, even if they do somehow make the security camera footage disappear.
So much this. I'm so done with rooting for Pouncey. I hope we win every game and have the best Center in the league....I just hope it ends up being a bench player
I don't think there is any doubt that some altercation took place that night, only whether the Pounceys were involved. I think its quite possible that Riquan caused a scene at the club and then was injured when either the club's or Pouncey's security detail (Maurkice said they had hired some ex-cops for the night to make sure things didn't get out of hand) tried to remove them. The fact that they only reluctantly cooperated with the police and instead decided to file a lawsuit raises a big red flag.
Omar tweeted that the police have had a video of the incident for over a week so they won't be pulling a Hernandez with the tape but the fact that the police haven't acted upon it is certainly a positive sign for the twins.
The Sgt investigating the incident describe the trio as:
So it sound like the three were acquainted so I wouldn't put to much weight on one's story collaborating the others.
I guess it will be a matter of whether the tape corroborates then. Now that this is a lawsuit, they will have the ability to get the tape from the police.
Yeah the tape will prove or disprove this pretty quickly I'd think.
Victims’ lawyer fires back against Pounceys
"Appearing on WINZ with Andy Slater, attorney (for the victims)Marwan Porter predicted that criminal charges will be filed."
“We’ve been in contact with the Miami Beach Police Department and the investigators on this particular case,”
Maurkice P0uncey will face misdemeanor charge for Cameo brawl; Mike likely in the clear
"Personal injury attorney Marwan Porter said police have indicated that Pouncey, a center for the Pittsburgh Steelers, will be charged with misdemeanor battery." "that charge could come as soon as Friday, according to the attorney for the victims"
"Attorney Jeff Ostrow, who represents the Pounceys, told the Miami Herald late Thursday that, as far as he knew, an assistant state attorney had not been assigned to review the evidence."
Wish we'd trade pounce
Innocent until proven guilty.
Presumed innocent until proven guilty
Last I checked, nobody here was proposing that he be tossed in jail or otherwise had his freedom curtailed by the state.
Unless you're talking about those things, the entire concept of "innocent until proven guilty" is misapplied sloganism.
Article states that Mike Pouncey is likely in the clear... and you wish we'd trade him? I don't get it...
Youre right. He hasn't even been charged with a crime so innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled slander and character assassination.
Havent you heard? Pouncey is definitely getting suspended or thrown in jail for a yet to occur transgression to be named later. Several Fin fans that never even met Pouncey have confirmed this.
While I agree some go overboard, it isn't hard to see Pouncey isn't a very good person.
It isn't hard to assume Pouncey isn't a good person.
What I see is a guy who's going to be himself, live his life etc, regardless of what outsiders think. That opens him up to criticism but it doesn't make him a bad person.
Even if so... who cares? If the dude helps the team far more than he hurts it... why get rid of him? Getting rid of a player b/c "he isn't a good person" is flat out dumb IMO. We're talking about football players here...
It's a business. The Dolphins' asset has the potential to blow up in their face. Should the Dolphins keep their asset and hope it doesn't, or should they make plans to move on from that asset and go for a safer one?
I don't get why some feel the need to protect Pouncey. Yes, I hope he turns his life around and yes, I hope he does that here. However, history shows that most people need to undergo a serious crisis before they get around to fixing their lives. I'd prefer for any serious crisis Pouncey has to happen far from Miami and while he's a member of another team.
That's how I see it. In some ways, he already has. But his play level far outstrips his current compensation so it's no big deal. The problem is people want to go ahead and pay him so that his compensation equals out with his play level. I don't agree with that.
The Dolphins already exercised the option on his contract, that should answer your first question.
Exactly. We're trying to win a Super Bowl not a damn Nobel Peace prize.
Which makes total sense. His fifth year compensation is $7.4 million and it's not guaranteed. They could cut him ahead of the 2015 season and be no worse for it. But it gives them the right to completely control his fate and the negotiations process. It's the surest way to get compensation from his departure if you do indeed part ways with him.
Based on supporting his friend who did something heinous and being around a fight at a nightclub and removing his shirt? You guys need to get out more. As far as "burdens on society" go....Pouncey is very close to the benign end. I see his lifestyle isn't everyone's cup of tea.....but the dude is hardly wreaking havoc across the countryside. You'd think he was kicking cats and pushing old ladies down in the street or something.
That's a very counterintuitive way of looking at it. I think most people would say it makes sense to extend him bc he's a top tier center coming off of a Pro Bowl season.