Mike Carey Explanation on Watkins TD/Possible Touchback

He just said it was too close to review. Paraphrased. No joke.

More or less he said it was so close it couldn't be overturned and so it wasn't reviewed

"Alex44 wrote:

He just said it was too close to review. Paraphrased. No joke.

More or less he said it was so close it couldn't be overturned and so it wasn't reviewed

Thanks, Alex.

Wow. It's too close to have a review. If that's not a crock of crap...

Isn't the point of replay to review the plays that are really close?

"Alex44 wrote:

He just said it was too close to review. Paraphrased. No joke.

More or less he said it was so close it couldn't be overturned and so it wasn't reviewed

Yeah, that was his opinion. Which was BS in my opinion. I'd have to see it again now that it's the day after, but yesterday, watching that play that ball looked free from his hands when it hit the pylon. Which I believe should have made it a fumble/touchback. It wasn't as close as Carey wanted to make it seem.

I don't know but to me it was a pretty clear touchdown. Just because the ball jiggled a little bit in his hands doesn't mean possession has been reset to zero and the next person to officially possess the ball will have to demonstrate a football move in order to demonstrate possession. The ball jiggled in his hands a little at about the two yard line, he quickly got control of it and stuck the football out and it crossed the plane before being knocked out of his hands. At that point, when it got knocked out of his hands, that was finally an official fumble. But the ball had already crossed the plane so it didn't matter.

The reviews are done at a central location where they have all the video angles available to them almost instantly. That play was indeed reviewed, centrally. They saw nothing during the review that indicated they needed to spend more time reviewing it. Nor did I, for that matter.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I don't know but to me it was a pretty clear touchdown. Just because the ball jiggled a little bit in his hands doesn't mean possession has been reset to zero and the next person to officially possess the ball will have to demonstrate a football move in order to demonstrate possession. The ball jiggled in his hands a little at about the two yard line, he quickly got control of it and stuck the football out and it crossed the plane before being knocked out of his hands. At that point, when it got knocked out of his hands, that was finally an official fumble. But the ball had already crossed the plane so it didn't matter.

The reviews are done at a central location where they have all the video angles available to them almost instantly. That play was indeed reviewed, centrally. They saw nothing during the review that indicated they needed to spend more time reviewing it. Nor did I, for that matter.

WHat I saw was this.

At the two yard line or so he is hit holding the ball in two hands. He loses possession completely and shifts it into one hand regaining possession. At this point it would have been a TD. However if you look closely as he tries to grip the ball with his one hand it slides. It begins sliding at about the half yard line and he never actually has it across the pylon.

"Alex44 wrote:

WHat I saw was this.

At the two yard line or so he is hit holding the ball in two hands. He loses possession completely and shifts it into one hand regaining possession. At this point it would have been a TD. However if you look closely as he tries to grip the ball with his one hand it slides. It begins sliding at about the half yard line and he never actually has it across the pylon.

That's similar to how i felt I saw it yesterday too. Of course, in the heat of the momment, maybe I was seeing things :lol:

I thought it was pretty clearly out when it hit the pylon.

What I dont get is how it would have ended up as a touchback?

I was watching a TV at a bar.

It looked like a case of one of two things - he lost control, regained it in time to cross the pylon. If it wasn't that, he lost control of the ball, tried to regain possession, and couldn't by the time he crossed the pylon.

However, I thought it looked to be more than just a jiggle.

Either way, thanks for letting me know what Carey said.

I thought the pylon business was a big red herring. Everyone kept talking about it, and it didn't matter. The issue was whether the football crossed the plane while in Sammy Watkins' possession. It did. Then it came out.

It came out before it hit the pylon. It just doesn't matter because it had already crossed the plane.

"Alex44 wrote:

He just said it was too close to review. Paraphrased. No joke.

More or less he said it was so close it couldn't be overturned and so it wasn't reviewed

All scoring plays are reviewed.

I thought he was losing possession at the one yard line. No reason to really be upset about it, it didn't lose the game for us. Horrible call IMO though

He definitely bobbled the ball and I don't believe he had it fully secured. However, when was the last time you saw a play like that overturned against the home team?

I too thought it was a TD but replay does not always prove to be what I or others think .For them not to review was a bit odd.

Not sure how that's clearly over the line. Might of been a TD. Might not have been. It's CLEARLY close enough to review. That was pathetic they didn't review it.

Refs got multiple things wrong yesterday. Look at Harvin's td. He clearly stepped out and they didn't review it either. I think they were sleeping.

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"byroan wrote:

Refs got multiple things wrong yesterday. Look at Harvin's td. He clearly stepped out and they didn't review it either. I think they were sleeping.

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That one baffled me too. Seemed like the ref pointed where Harvin stepped out too....

"MrClean wrote:

All scoring plays are reviewed.

Not in the way you'd think. There is simply someone watching the replay. They can see it once and just say "TD confirmed" and there will be no further review. When they say every score is reviewed it makes it sound as if it is done extensively. It isn't.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I thought the pylon business was a big red herring. Everyone kept talking about it, and it didn't matter. The issue was whether the football crossed the plane while in Sammy Watkins' possession. It did. Then it came out.

It came out before it hit the pylon. It just doesn't matter because it had already crossed the plane.

Well FWIW I said at the half yard line. I just said pylon because its just an object on the line.

People keep saying they didn't review it....that's not true. All Scoring and Turnovers are reviewed by the Central REPLAY system. It was reviewed, its only if that Central Location sees something that doesn't match the call on the field do they signal for the Head official to go "under the hood" and discuss what was called and what the film shows.

Going under the hood doesn't guarantee that it would be overturned.

"BigDogsHunt wrote:

People keep saying they didn't review it....that's not true. All Scoring and Turnovers are reviewed by the Central REPLAY system. It was reviewed, its only if that Central Location sees something that doesn't match the call on the field do they signal for the Head official to go "under the hood" and discuss what was called and what the film shows.

Going under the hood doesn't guarantee that it would be overturned.

Like I said, it doesn't actually mean it was reviewed. Someone in New York can see one angle of a play and say "TD Confirmed" and after that it can't be reviewed further. To me that is not "Reviewing every score". You're saying they did a great job reviewing the Harvin TD too?

Every play is no "reviewed" in the sense of what a fan would think "reviewed" means.

"Alex44 wrote:

Like I said, it doesn't actually mean it was reviewed. Someone in New York can see one angle of a play and say "TD Confirmed" and after that it can't be reviewed further. To me that is not "Reviewing every score". You're saying they did a great job reviewing the Harvin TD too?

Every play is no "reviewed" in the sense of what a fan would think "reviewed" means.

It does mean it was reviewed....the central office doesn't watch in detail every play, but they do watch in detail every TD and TO. It was reviewed, it just wasn't necessary in Central Office to get the Head Official to re-confirm the call on the field.

P.S. I do think if you go frame by frame it was not controlled and should have resulted in turnover as the ball was non-controlled and exited the endzone. But obviously the Central Office (and other fans like CK) didn't think the call was missed.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I don't know but to me it was a pretty clear touchdown. Just because the ball jiggled a little bit in his hands doesn't mean possession has been reset to zeroand the next person to officially possess the ball will have to demonstrate a football move in order to demonstrate possession. The ball jiggled in his hands a little at about the two yard line, he quickly got control of it and stuck the football out and it crossed the plane before being knocked out of his hands. At that point, when it got knocked out of his hands, that was finally an official fumble. But the ball had already crossed the plane so it didn't matter.

The reviews are done at a central location where they have all the video angles available to them almost instantly. That play was indeed reviewed, centrally. They saw nothing during the review that indicated they needed to spend more time reviewing it. Nor did I, for that matter.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I thought the pylon business was a big red herring. Everyone kept talking about it, and it didn't matter. The issue was whether the football crossed the plane while in Sammy Watkins' possession. It did. Then it came out.

It came out before it hit the pylon. It just doesn't matter because it had already crossed the plane.

CK, yes it does, once the ball is possessed it determines control in the field of play until the moment it no longer is...if lost out of bounds you get the spot it was last possessed and or crossed the OB barrier as long as not forward of last possessed location. And if possessed prior to the goalline plane, but not controlled through the plane, it would have been ruled to have been lost through the endzone per the rule book, and turnover resulting in Dolphin football at the 20.

It may have been too close to over turn but from these images it looks like it should have been reviewed in detail before making that decision.