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Mike Shanahan. Potential HC candidate

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Eop05, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    Ok, this is a purely hypothetical scenario that I see as a potential offseason possibility.

    There's a good chance that we lose this week, split with the Jets, lose to the Pats, and the game in Buffalo is no cakewalk. It's completely possible that we finish the season 7-9. Add in this whole bullying controversy, and you have a Head Coach and GM on the hot-seat and potentially being fired/replaced.
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    Now, in Washington, you have a bad football team that hasn't really improved under Shanahan
    6-10
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    3-7

    There's a good chance he could be fired.

    RGIII along with guys like Kaepernick are finding it very hard to adjust in the NFL without the early read option success. With the state of that team, the latest reports from RGIII and now this report out about Shanahan:

    I'm not really too high on Shanahan, but he does produce successful running games, which we severly lack, and his offenses are effective. Some part of me believes that coupling him with a solid D coordinator and subsequent defensive coaching staff could be the answer.

    He'd bring some initial excitement as he's a hot name being a Superbowl winning coach. This would appeal to Ross. He's got a ton of experience, and Shanahan himself has the biggest incentive of all for a coach to join a particular team.....The QB he wanted because there's a good chance he thinks he can bring Tannehill to the next level.

    If Shanahan and Philbin are fired, I think there's a greater than 65% chance Shanahan is the next Miami Dolphins Head Coach

    Thoughts?
     
  2. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I can't believe he's my fav option for a replacement HC should it happen, but he is.
     
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  3. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Moderator Staff Member Club Member

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    I'd be okay with Shanahan depending on who he'd bring in to run the defense. I'm not sure I'd what Jim Haslett tagging along with him. I wouldn't mind if he brought in Gary Kubiak to help with the offense, if Kubiak's fired.
     
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  4. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    Not a fan, he hasn't done anything in D.C. What makes you think he could here?
     
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  5. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I lost all faith in Kubiak when he briefly went back to Shaub last week.
     
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  6. Fin-Omenal

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    Maybe Ross can finally lure Jon Gruden.
     
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  7. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    A better fit at QB for what he's trying to do.
     
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  8. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Moderator Staff Member Club Member

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    I'd only want Kubiak as an Offensive Coordinator/play-caller type under Shanahan. I think that PA system he's got could really benefit Ryan Tannehill.
     
  9. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    they need to leave everything as is until after next season. takes time to rebuild & coach-up a team. this is typical Miami fan-base & media pressure collectively strangling whatever chance the franchise has for future development.
     
  10. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    As slick already said, his choice at the most important position in football: QB.

    Tannehill has a lot of those Jake Plummer skills and dare I say Elway tools(not comparing to Elway) that Shanahan got the absolute most out of.

    AND, he'd be walking into a team that has a relatively solid defense. Something Washington, IIRC, did not have
     
  11. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    If we finish 7-9, our coach will have replicated, and IMO regressed, when there's no excuse for regression under the circumstances.

    Decisions can be made after 2 seasons. It's not an overly knee-jerk impatient reaction to fire Philbin if he goes <= 7-9.
     
  12. slickj101

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    Also goes without saying they've done very well developing the running game in WAS.
     
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  13. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    RG3 has played some terrible football this year, not sure how you can put that all on Shanahan. The guy got really good production out of Cutler and Plummer.
     
  14. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    Probably the biggest reason I would welcome Shanahan. We're in desperate need of a healthy consistent running game. Shanahan develops that immediately, I'd think. And this will help the QB develop and produce better IMO.

    2 yards rushing in a single game in unacceptable. Would never happen with Shanahan, IMO
     
  15. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    I don't. But Synder might make him the Scapegoat.

    Reports out of DC are that Shanahan and RGIII are not getting along too well. They gave up a ton to get RGIII. He's not going anywhere.
    The coach that went 5-11, 6-10, 10-6, and 3-7 goes.

    Hopefully we can be the benefactors here(if we finish bad and fire Philbin)
     
  16. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence, just a matter of giving it time to grow...
    we are an average offensive line's distance from the play-offs:dolphin:this year
    McKinnie-Garner-Pouncey-Incognito-Clabo
     
  17. FanMarino

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    i watched the Philbin winning speech in that locker room after the Chargers game. He didn't look any player in the face. Says alot for me. I want a HC who actually gets into the players eyes when giving out cudos. Didnt see it. I like Philbin but there is something missing. Anyone notice that?
     
  18. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    Our grass is infested with weeds at the moment and dried out due to drought. It's not good currently. Our coach is 7-9 and headed for another potential 7-9 season.

    It's worth a shot to grab Shanahan. Worst case scenario is we get to other side and the grass is also infested with the same amount of weeds and dried out. But at least you took a shot with a proven coach with a track record of winning with the style of QB that we actually have.
     
  19. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Given what happened to Kubiak I think retirement is something he has at the forefront of his mind.
     
  20. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    I fail to follow your logic in this tread. basically, you're saying the same thing I am saying as if you disagree?
    indeed, our franchise is built in the sand amongst weeds strangling the organization to death... nothing can grow here until we change the environment. it has little or nothing to do with our current regime. we need to cultivate not slash & burn. we need to patiently grow our franchise.

    player/coaching parity runs throughout the NFL. the big difference can be found in the fan-base & ownership of these teams.
     
  21. Unlucky 13

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    I desperately want the team to hire a HC who's had some sucess somewhere else before. Four straight HC hires who have never done it in the NFL before. Its a streak that needs to end.
     
  22. Disgustipate

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    I don't really like the idea that much, especially all this weird **** about his relationship with RGIII. He's a pretty good coach, but I'd rather we go in a different direction. I do like his offense though, I don't think we need him to run it though.
     
  23. Disgustipate

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    This is still really baffling to me. He'd be an offensive coordinator.
     
  24. slickj101

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    Still a move like that is scary to see from someone you'd want to hire at any level, imo.
     
  25. OkiePhin

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    I think the whole conversation about firing Philbin is crazy talk. In my mind I figure the first season is a learning curve. New facility, new coaches, new system to implement, learning what you have with the existing players and building a coach / player relationship with them. The second season you have an idea of what you've got and take the chisel to the block of ice and make the moves you need to to begin to grow the type of team you want. By season 3 you should have most pieces in place and fine tune and make a playoff run. Now something unforeseen could happen (losing your QB or major players for the season) and you might be set back another year but I think you have to give a coach at the very least 3 seasons. Ive said this before too, what new coach will want to come in if he knows midway into the second season if you are at .500 you will be talking about firing him? Now if we went under .500 for 2 years straight that might be cause for a quick change but I still think you have to give a team enough time to grow before scrapping and starting over fresh.

    Edit: To answer you question though. Id say no to Shanahan.
     
  26. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    We're not saying the same thing at all. You're saying to keep the coaching staff even at 6-10 or 7-9. I'm saying that enough evidence is gathered at that point to prove they aren't good enough

    You're talking about changing the environment....The Head Coach and the coaching staff and players beneath him are the majority part of that environment. It absolutely has at least a good amount to do with this coaching regime.

    I'm not really sure how the fan-base/Stephen Ross were at all responsible for the team coming out against Buffalo and Tampa Bay and playing horribly. Or how the fan-base/Stephen Ross are responsible for the team making the same mistakes by simply being stubborn and failing/refusing to adjust over and over and over. How anyone but the coaches and subsequently the players are not responsible for having one of the worst rushing offenses in the NFL.

    I'm not sure how you can disagree with our coaching being a large problem this season.
     
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  27. MrClean

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    You're not the first one to say it, but comparing Tannehill to Plummer at the same age, I just don't see the similarity. I think I watched a lot of Jake too, especially at ASU and with the Cards.
     
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  28. LBsFinest

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    lol ridiculous
     
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  29. OkiePhin

    OkiePhin Well-Known Member

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    I think the coaching is a large problem for the Redskins right now too. No thanks..
     
  30. Eop05

    Eop05 Junior Member Club Member

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    You really don't see an almost identical skill set?
     
  31. Disgustipate

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    Why? The guy has an 18 year record as a play-caller.
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I think Plummer was a lot more elusive and Tannehill has a stronger arm.
     
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  33. slickj101

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    It was extremely unintelligent, imo. Length of tenure wouldn't be the first thing I'd look for.
     
  34. GMJohnson

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    Huh?

    If Shanahan produced those results here he'd be run out of town but you want to fire the coach who's done much better thus far?

    I am soooo glad that the front office pays no attention to fan sentiment.
     
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  35. GMJohnson

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    Plummer has a lot more in common with Fiedler than Tannehill.
     
  36. Serpico Jones

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    It's being rumored that Shanahan wanted Tannehill but the owner forced RG3 on him. I could buy this rumor because Tannehill is the kind of QB that Shanahan covets.
     
  37. djphinfan

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    When he was comin out there were a few folks that warned others about some character questions when RG came out, not bad things mind you, but ego stuff as a recall...I think what you have here this year is a Qb that doesn't have the respect of all his teammates based on RG's lack of humility..

    They saw some of the same things we witnessed this offseason and preseason, and regular season..kid just has an air of confidence about himself at this point that wasn't attractive in the least..I can't tell you how many times that dude rolled his eyes when answering a question, it pissed me off so I can see why his teammates called him out.
     
  38. djphinfan

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    Nothing..
     
  39. KB21

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    As long as Jeff Ireland is around, this team will continue to struggle to the 6-7-8 win plateau. He has proven incapable of building a complete roster and managing that roster well. He has saddled the current coach with players that do not fit what he wants to do. He is a pariah to the fan base. He has no communication skills when speaking with the media. He is very prone to abandoning a long term plan for the quick fix, which almost always leaves you with one glaring weakness. Every year he has been here, this team has had a glaring weakness that he didn't address. This year, it is the OL. Last year, it was the WRs. The prior year, it was the QB position. Prior to that, it was the secondary. Now, his poor personnel decisions have created our next big hole....our linebacker position.

    Jeff will find a good player under a rock every once in a while, but overall, he has proven horrible at putting a 53 man roster together. They should have sent him packing with Tony Sparano, and it is time to give another personnel exec a chance.
     
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  40. ASOT

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    amen amen amen ! you have seen the light !
     

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