Mike Wallace seems eager...

He doesn't track the ball well in the air. He does on short and intermediate routes, but those plays where the ball is way up there he doesn't put his body in the right place to get the pass.
What's frustrating about Wallace is how much of a value player he is for the Ravens, vs how overpaid he was for us. Having him be so overpaid is what made is lack of greatness so frustrating. We were paying Brandon Marshall (in his prime) money to Mike Wallace, a 1-trick pony (at the time). The other irony and frustating thing about the Wallace situation is that he had been improving and becoming a much more well-rounded receiver. He started making some great catches, if you remember. Still, Tannehill and Stills connected more in one season than RT ever did with Wallace.

"iamtiv wrote:

He doesn't track the ball well in the air. He does on short and intermediate routes, but those plays where the ball is way up there he doesn't put his body in the right place to get the pass.
What's frustrating about Wallace is how much of a value player he is for the Ravens, vs how overpaid he was for us. Having him be so overpaid is what made is lack of greatness so frustrating. We were paying Brandon Marshall (in his prime) money to Mike Wallace, a 1-trick pony (at the time). The other irony and frustating thing about the Wallace situation is that he had been improving and becoming a much more well-rounded receiver. He started making some great catches, if you remember. Still, Tannehill and Stills connected more in one season than RT ever did with Wallace.

Not sure what you mean with Stills, he is a lesser Wallace, he has 53 catches so far with the Dolphins, that is last year and this year combined, Wallace had 140 in 2 years here, and according to sportingcharts, Wallace had 17 big plays while Stills has 11, Wallace 15TDs and Stills 8.

Wallace>Stills.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

It would make sense to move on from Kenny Stills to give Leonte Carroo more reps. But I have a hard time with Adam Gase being okay with letting Stills go. Stills does a lot of dirty work and is actually a really smart/savvy route runner that is a perfect fit for Gase's route concepts. There's a timing and rhythm that has to be on point and Stills is always where he's supposed to be.

Frankly, I'd roll with these four WRs (Landry-Parker-Stills-Carroo) for the foreseeable future and target someone like OJ Howard or Jake Butt in the draft and watch this offense become a top 10 arsenal.

Question though, if Stills is as good as you say, why does he only have 26 catches?

Parker, who has been slowed by nagging injuries, and seemed to be dogging it all season until the 4th quarter of the Rams game has 41 catches, 3 weeks ago people were calling him a bust.

I think you're giving Stills way more credit than he deserves.

"Finster wrote:

Not sure what you mean with Stills, he is a lesser Wallace, he has 53 catches so far with the Dolphins, that is last year and this year combined, Wallace had 140 in 2 years here, and according to sportingcharts, Wallace had 17 big plays while Stills has 11, Wallace 15TDs and Stills 8.

Wallace>Stills.

Honestly, IMO, it's way more about what the output of the whole offense is, not what one player can do. Wallace didn't mesh with Tannehill and was a cancer, it doesn't matter what he did stats-wise in the past... truth is he was a part of a failing offense and we are much better without him right now. Personally, I'm glad he's gone.

There's still fans defending Wallace? Smh what kind of hold does Wallace have on you guys?

"number21 wrote:

There's still fans defending Wallace? Smh what kind of hold does Wallace have on you guys?

My only guess is that they looked into his eyes, found them dreamy and have been smitten ever since.....

"Brasfin wrote:

Honestly, IMO, it's way more about what the output of the whole offense is, not what one player can do. Wallace didn't mesh with Tannehill and was a cancer, it doesn't matter what he did stats-wise in the past... truth is he was a part of a failing offense and we are much better without him right now. Personally, I'm glad he's gone.

If RT didn't mesh with Wallace, then we should be looking to fill our WR corps with guys RT doesn't mesh with, and that will put him in the probowl.

RT had his best season as a pro with Wallace as the #1 WR, RT has like a 115 rating throwing to the guy he supposedly didn't mesh with, do you realize that Landry in his 3rd year here with all his catches still does not have as many TDs as a Dolphin as Wallace does?

Do you really think that Gase wouldn't have Wallace scaring the entire NFL right now?

Mike Wallace was traded for talking back to Philbin, plain and simple, it was a stupid, self serving trade that made this team weaker.

"Finster wrote:

If RT didn't mesh with Wallace, then we should be looking to fill our WR corps with guys RT doesn't mesh with, and that will put him in the probowl.

RT had his best season as a pro with Wallace as the #1 WR, RT has like a 115 rating throwing to the guy he supposedly didn't mesh with, do you realize that Landry in his 3rd year here with all his catches still does not have as many TDs as a Dolphin as Wallace does?

Do you really think that Gase wouldn't have Wallace scaring the entire NFL right now?

Mike Wallace was traded for talking back to Philbin, plain and simple, it was a stupid, self serving trade that made this team weaker.

Tannehill is having the best season of his career right now, without Wallace. And no, I do not believe it would be better if he were on the team. Maybe Wallace's individual stats would be better. Maybe Tannehill's stats throwing to him would be beter than throwing to other WR's, but the offense would not be better, IMO.

Wallace was not good for Tannehill, he wasn't good for the offense and he wasn't good for the team. Wallace only cared for himself.

I am far happier with Parker Stills Landry and Carroo. These guys are young and have complimentary talents. We are seemingly set at WR for the foreseeable future, assuming of course, they can resign all these guys.

I read an article, either Barry Jackson's or something like football rumors or whatever, that the Phins were going to try to keep Stills here save an outrageous bidding war. Same goes for Kiko Alonso.

wallace was garbage, probably would have been different playing under gase

I wonder how Wallace feels about Tannehill leading the league in deep balls for a good portion of the season

"Finster wrote:

If RT didn't mesh with Wallace, then we should be looking to fill our WR corps with guys RT doesn't mesh with, and that will put him in the probowl.

RT had his best season as a pro with Wallace as the #1 WR, RT has like a 115 rating throwing to the guy he supposedly didn't mesh with, do you realize that Landry in his 3rd year here with all his catches still does not have as many TDs as a Dolphin as Wallace does?

Do you really think that Gase wouldn't have Wallace scaring the entire NFL right now?

Mike Wallace was traded for talking back to Philbin, plain and simple, it was a stupid, self serving trade that made this team weaker.

Seems so fitting that you would romanticize a WR like Wallace with that bloated contract and in the same day call Suh overrated. While the price tag is very different Suh dominates moments throughout the game while Wallace as Tannehills #1 target couldn't break 1k yards in 2 years where Ryan Tannehill threw for over 4000 yards! Oh yeah, Wallace was a quitter. His ass would be cut by now playing under Gase. Please don't even remotely compare Landry to Wallace in a negative way.

I keep hearing "he caught 10 tds". Wallace was a no better red zone threat than Hartline or Landry. He had no specific talent that garnered him those TDs. Most of it was just opportunity.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

Manufactured motivation. We paid him $27 million for his two seasons here. He should send us a thank you card.

My math might be off, but I do believe that's $13.5 Million for each hand he didn't use when catching the ball.

"MikeHoncho wrote:

My math might be off, but I do believe that's $13.5 Million for each hand he didn't use when catching the ball.

He thought if he double caught every ball he caught he would make up for his drops too.

"Mcduffie81 wrote:

Seems so fitting that you would romanticize a WR like Wallace with that bloated contract and in the same day call Suh overrated. While the price tag is very different Suh dominates moments throughout the game while Wallace as Tannehills #1 target couldn't break 1k yards in 2 years where Ryan Tannehill threw for over 4000 yards! Oh yeah, Wallace was a quitter. His *** would be cut by now playing under Gase. Please don't even remotely compare Landry to Wallace in a negative way.

I keep hearing "he caught 10 tds". Wallace was a no better red zone threat than Hartline or Landry. He had no specific talent that garnered him those TDs. Most of it was just opportunity.

Oh brother, SMH, I was against the signing of Wallace and his huge contract, just one in a long line of stupid contracts.

OK, so you will put aside TDs, but worry about him getting another 100yds so you can say he has 1000, wow, just wow, think before you hit "post reply".

jeez

"Finster wrote:

Oh brother, SMH, I was against the signing of Wallace and his huge contract, just one in a long line of stupid contracts.

OK, so you will put aside TDs, but worry about him getting another 100yds so you can say he has 1000, wow, just wow, think before you hit "post reply".

jeez

You just said it was stupid to get rid of Wallace, didn't you? So naturally after watching Wallace play 2 very mediocre seasons here you came to the conclusion that his contract was worth it and he should be kept, right?

You've either missed the point or are trying to twist the thought behind my words. I'm not putting aside the value of TDs for 1,000 yards, so try again.

1k yards is just a commonly used benchmark. It's not a real high benchmark for a #1 receiver that makes 12mill per season in an offense that passed for over 4K yards....but Wallace couldn't get there.

As for the 10 TDs. Again a lot of his scoring was due to pure opportunity. He's not a redzone threat because he lacks pretty much everything it takes to be one. He lacks jumping ability, savvy route running, able to work in small spaces, or even just pure will on contested balls. And we all KNOW that not many of those total of 15 TDs over 2 years were from deep ball connections.

Don't really have a problem with the tweet. Didn't trash anybody, just excited to play his old team.

"Mcduffie81 wrote:

You just said it was stupid to get rid of Wallace, didn't you? So naturally after watching Wallace play 2 very mediocre seasons here you came to the conclusion that his contract was worth it and he should be kept, right?

You've either missed the point or are trying to twist the thought behind my words. I'm not putting aside the value of TDs for 1,000 yards, so try again.

1k yards is just a commonly used benchmark. It's not a real high benchmark for a #1 receiver that makes 12mill per season in an offense that passed for over 4K yards....but Wallace couldn't get there.

As for the 10 TDs. Again a lot of his scoring was due to pure opportunity. He's not a redzone threat because he lacks pretty much everything it takes to be one. He lacks jumping ability, savvy route running, able to work in small spaces, or even just pure will on contested balls. And we all KNOW that not many of those total of 15 TDs over 2 years were from deep ball connections.

Lol, we had already given Wallace the bulk of the money, do you even follow this team?

Still going on about yds being more important than TDs?

More power to ya bro.

"Finster wrote:

Lol, we had already given Wallace the bulk of the money, do you even follow this team?

Still going on about yds being more important than TDs?

More power to ya bro.

Was due 10mill in 2015 and 11.5 in 2016 and 2017. That's what I found to be true, anyways...So wtf you talking about Fester?

How am I going about yards being more important than TDs? READ what I wrote!

"dWreck wrote:

I wonder how Wallace feels about Tannehill leading the league in deep balls for a good portion of the season

I heard that the Dolphins are leading the league in explosive plays. Running plays over 10 yards and Passing plays over 20.
That is pretty incredible considering what the season started out like.

"Mcduffie81 wrote:

Was due 10mill in 2015 and 11.5 in 2016 and 2017. That's what I found to be true, anyways...So wtf you talking about Fester?

How am I going about yards being more important than TDs? READ what I wrote!

Smh, he signed a 5 year 60mil contract, in which he got over half of in the first 2 years.

The numbers you posted are cap, not salary, it includes signing bonus, which he already got and it counted against the cap anyway.

So, very stupid time to let him go, waste of money and talent, and a big dead cap hit.

Savvy?

As far as the TDs vs yds, maybe you should read what you wrote, lol, you are making some case that because he got 900yds instead of 1000 that that is some huge thing that he didn't accomplish, then you say that the 15 TDs had nothing to do with his skill, lol, had nothing to do with his skill, yeah, OK.

What do you call that stuff you clean pigs with? Oh yeah;

HOGWASH

Wow, Wallace just gained some respect from me, he at least seems to acknowledge that he was overpaid. :chuckle:

"Finster wrote:

Smh, he signed a 5 year 60mil contract, in which he got over half of in the first 2 years.

The numbers you posted are cap, not salary, it includes signing bonus, which he already got and it counted against the cap anyway.

So, very stupid time to let him go, waste of money and talent, and a big dead cap hit.

Savvy?

As far as the TDs vs yds, maybe you should read what you wrote, lol, you are making some case that because he got 900yds instead of 1000 that that is some huge thing that he didn't accomplish, then you say that the 15 TDs had nothing to do with his skill, lol, had nothing to do with his skill, yeah, OK.

What do you call that stuff you clean pigs with? Oh yeah;

HOGWASH

Shake your head all you want. The cap number is the only thing we as fans should give a shit about. The cap is what restricts teams from being flexible. You don't pay his salary, do you???

I made it crystal clear what I meant about his yardage and why he caught as many TDs as he did. I'm not going over it again.

"Brasfin wrote:

Wallace on the Dolphins: "They gave me a lot of money in two years. I have no regrets. ... I'm living a lot better because of those guys."

— Adam Beasley (@AdamHBeasley) November 30, 2016

Wallace: "When you make a lot of money, people expect a lot of things."

— Adam Beasley (@AdamHBeasley) November 30, 2016

Wow, Wallace just gained some respect from me, he at least seems to acknowledge that he was overpaid. :chuckle:

Yeah when you get paid that much we expect you not to quit on plays and on your team.