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Minkah to Steelers...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by muskrat21, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    No...I get you and in that post I was mostly messing around because it's silly at this point.

    Your definition of quitting quite literally doesnt match up to the actual definition.
     
  2. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    The team gave him permission AFTER the leadership met with him and it was obvious he was not going to change his mind.

    100% quit.
     
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  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    If I go to my boss and tell him I want to work for another company and my boss tries to convince me to stay, and I say no, and I give my two weeks and go to a different company. Then...

    I. Quit. My. Job. Doesn't mean I stopped doing my job while I was there...but it still means I quit my job.
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Yes it does.
     
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  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Not to mention...when you know you want to leave a job, or a team, your work performance absolutely suffers. You can't give 100% when you want out.
     
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  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Sorry bro, that I don't agree with.

    I think there are certainly people that is true for, but there are people it isn't true for.

    We have to be careful about making general sweeping statements that apply to all humans because we are individuals.

    I personally saw no evidence of Minkah slacking off or quitting ON the team.
     
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  7. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Minkah quit on and for the Dolphins. Basically, what he did equated to a 2 week notice for a normal employer. The moment I put in my 2 week notice, I quit. Does anyone believe that if the Dolphins had not received a decent offer, and Minkah had to stay, that he would have kept playing? I don't. I'd bet my house that if he ended up being told, "Well, we have no trade partners", he would have slacked off, and maybe held out.

    I LOVED Minkah, but I was fooled. He's a baby. I understand doing what's best for your career, but Flores, Grier, and Ross practically begged him to stay. They asked him to buy in to the program and the system. If he would have worked hard he could have been one of the highest paid DB's in the league come next contract. He punked out because he thought it was too hard. The moment he faced adversity he quit. Period.
     
  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It's human psychology. I'm not saying 100% of the people have that issue, but very few people have the ability to be so frustrated with a situation that they want out, but their effort level stays the same as when they were 100% committed.

    I would argue that is incredibly unlikely for someone to not have the job performance fall, at least a little bit, once they've decided that they're leaving.
     
  9. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    Merriam Webster says Minkah quit:
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/quit

    because one acceptable use is definition 1c and 1d: "to depart from or out of" and "to leave the company of". It's the usage of quit the posters who are talking about giving notice you'll leave a job are referring to.
     
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  10. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    He's a baby because he doesn't want to sit through an engineered dumpster fire? Lol.
     
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  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    I worked at a job for almost a month after I quit because my new job wasn't ready for me and my old job had plenty of work for me to do and I still needed money.

    I quit my job that I were I was working
     
  12. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes. He get's paid to play for this team and do what he was told which was to play different positions. "But I don't wanna. I don't like it so I'm going to take my ball to another team." That's quitting on his team mates. Guess what. The Steelers may be just as big a dumpster fire. Watch out what you wish for. You just may get it.
     
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  13. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Except you arent under a contract that prevents you from walking away.

    It's only quitting in his context if he flat out refuses to play his contract.

    You guys need to stop making up new definitions for the word quit, it's getting annoying.
     
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  14. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's a baby because when the going got tough he quit.
     
  15. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    So basically anyone who leaves a job or a workplace that doesn't sit right with them is a baby, not a grown person who understands when something isn't working out, going by y'all's logic.

    Tell you what, since the Steelers are with Big Ben now, come talk to me when he starts whining during their losing season. Otherwise, all I see is grown men getting butthurt over another grown man's decision.
     
  16. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The only one butthurt is Minkah....and it seems, you.
     
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  17. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Says the person calling Minkah a baby and calling him coddled. But okay.
     
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  18. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Question- why the heck did you stop posting for a few years and intentionally choose to come back for this season? LOL, just curious since most of the fandom is bailing.

    You can PM me the answer if you don't want it public...just curious what changed for you this year. Hopefully all is well in life.
     
  19. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Maybe, but with this particular career, his job is very public and his performance as a lame duck can still hurt or hinder his career.
     
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  20. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Look, Minkah was upset about being played all over the place. The team did that because he was that freaking talented, but he felt like he belonged in slot corner. Someone probably put it in his head that if he stayed bouncing around, it could mean 10-20M less on his next contract in a few years. He's a dominant slot corner...he's good everywhere else. So of course he wanted to just play slot.

    Did Minkah actually say, I quit? No. He made his feelings known and kept playing hard. Minkah is not a quitter of football. But he did make it known that he wasn't happy and would prefer to play for a team that would appreciate his slot corner talents more. That's called a contract dispute, a problem with middle management or whatever nifty phrase we want to apply. It's not quitting because he's still in the NFL....if he just flat-out quit, then he'd be retired. He didn't do that.

    Minkah did give up on this team though- they tried to work things out with him and he refused. I can't blame him- who wants to be all-in on a tanking team? I get it. But you guys are arguing over a word here- "quit", "give-up" and similar language. He clearly did that or he'd still be a Dolphin. Nobody is saying he didn't give maximum effort last Sunday....he clearly did. But he quit on the Dolphins all the same.

    Call it what you will- a labor dispute, a personnel transfer or quitting....it really doesn't matter except for arguing here. But this is 100% senseless because everyone pretty much agrees on what transpired.
     
  21. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    I'm not arguing against the notion he quit. But he has the right to take himself out of an unfavorable situation. If players want to ride it, then cool. All power to them. But I'm not going to side-eye a player because he wants off the train to Tanksville.
     
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  22. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's why I was trying to say before, it's just semantics. The word doesnt matter that much.
     
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  23. Pauly

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    Words have meanings. It is important to use the right word to describe the situation.
    Quitting is what Vontae Davis did. Quitting is holding yourself out of games that you were healthy enough to play in, which is what it is alleged Reshad Jones did last year.
    Quitting is refusing to work.

    Being disgruntled, losing faith in your boss etc. are not the same as ‘quit’. Putting in a token effort fits the definition of ‘quit’.

    It is not in evidence that Minkah stopped putting in effort. It is not in evidence that Minkah threatened to stop working.
    What is in evidence is that Minkah did not like how management treated him. I would say that it is clear Minkah let the Dolphins know that he would not sign any contract extensions.

    A fairly common analogy would be a researcher employed on a fixed term contract at a University. If that researcher is unhappy with their management and says so, but continues doing their job whilst looking for a new job when their contract expires has that person quit? No, English even has a common expression for that situation “working out their contract”.

    Until it is in evidence that Minkah either (a) stopped putting in effort or (b) threatened to do so, whilst he was performing his work duties to the best of his abilities for the duration of his contracted term then ‘quit’ is the wrong word.
     
  24. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Words and their definitions are important. That is why it baffling you are sticking steadfastly to one of a few definitions.

    Especially considering we already have phrasing in the English language to differentiate between what you're describing "quitting on the team" to what he did which was "quit the team".
     
  25. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah...

    He quit on the team.
     
  26. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Its so bizarre to me you think that.
     
  27. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    By saying you don't want to be a part of a team, you are quitting the team. You can't be a part of something that you want to leave. Like they're the opposite.

    It doesn't make him a bad guy.
     
  28. Carmen Cygni

    Carmen Cygni Well-Known Member

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    Eh, I think he's a turd, to put it nicely. And agree wholeheartedly with you that Minkah quit on the team, is short-sighted, and seeks personal fame instead of contributing as a team player and being the versatile defender that he supposedly thinks of himself. I wish him the worst, like tripping on his own shoelaces, things like that.
     
  29. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    There's quitting the team and quitting on the team. Those are different.

    I've said he quit the team, but he didn't quit on the team.
     
  30. Makados10

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    Minkah didn't quit... he dumped the Dolphins. They begged him to stay. He said it's not you, it's me. We both had to move on.
     
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  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That's quitting with extra steps
     
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  32. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Okay I'm laughing. Good job.
     
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  33. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    From Flores's press conference today:
    Flores said Fitzpatrick was disappointed, but that he has stepped up to help Rosen prepare for the start in a way that Flores called “impressive.”

    THAT is how a Fitzpatrick should handle adversity. Like a PRO. Say what you will about Ryan. He's a stand up guy in my book.
     
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  34. Silverphin

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    Bravo to him, but that still doesn't make Minkah a bad person for what he did.
     
  35. danmarino

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    It's hard to call someone a bad person because they quit in a game. However, in the context of NFL player, he's not a good teammate. He is selfish
     
  36. KeyFin

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    I don't buy that- let me use an analogy that loosely relates to your job.

    Say the hospital's CEO decides one day, we no longer want to deal with health insurance anymore...so we're only accepting cash or Medicaid. You don't agree but you go along with it, until suddenly you realize that you're only treating crack heads. Every single patient, one after another, is there because of their own stupid life choices and you sometimes see the same patient two or three nights in a row for an overdose. It's an absolute waste of the state's/hospital's resources so eventually, you decide that you'd rather work at another hospital where you can help good people with general problems who appreciate your services.

    Does that mean you hate your co-workers? Or that you're quitting on them? To me, it doesn't mean that at all. What it does mean is that you did some soul searching, realized you weren't happy with your career track and actually took the initiative to be the best you could possibly be.

    Minkah leaving means he quit on Ross and Flores because he felt it was the best move for him personally. I don't feel that's selfish and I'd be willing to bet that most of his teammates supported him walking out the door. Maybe they didn't like it, but at the end of the day they wanted him to be happy and that's the most important thing.

    I think folks are blowing this way out of proportion that Minkah did this to hurt the team and all the other nonsense- he did it because he felt like he needed to. If folks think the kid slouched this year then they need to watch the tape again; especially in week one when he was playing press coverage against a much faster receiver, getting smoked and doing everything he could to stay in the game. I'm not saying that was anyone's fault but surely folks can see why he'd feel frustrated.
     
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  37. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    He didn't quit in a game. He continued to play until he was traded.
     
  38. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Players don't owe the teams anything.

    Teams make way more off the players than the players make off the team. The team will cast them aside if they need to without ceremony or compunction.

    Minkah quit the team like any person quits a job, but he didn' quit on the team and there's no problem with that.
     
  39. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Reload

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    Steelers 0-3 lost to the 49ers. close game though.
     
  40. IdrA

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    I'm fine with it. He didn't want to be here his problem. I think we have more positions of need than safety right now. Now we have 5 first day picks. We need the right guy to make those picks.
     

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