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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Boik14, Nov 14, 2022.

  1. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Looks like we are in for another crazy Hot Stove offseason. So far we’ve already seen a record setting deal to keep Edwin Diaz in a Mets uniform, the World Series champs dismiss their GM after offering him a low ball contract, and the Dodgers keep their iconic ace on a 1 year deal.

    Let’s see what my Mets do to finally get over the hump.
     
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    Good luck to all of your teams!

    The Cubs positional prospects are all years away from making an impact at the MLB level, and I cannot believe how many Cubs fans seem to be content just punting on every season until they get to Chicago, only signing mediocre players to free agent deals and just accepting not being any good, or else hoping for miracles.

    Personally, given that the Cubs are one of the richest teams in baseball and only have payroll commitments of 91m in 2023, 69m in 2024 and 26m in 2025, I want to spend when there's a good free agent class to do it with. My dream scenario is to sign Bogarts to play 3B and Turner to play 2B, and match with with our best current player Nico Hoerner to have a good infield made of guys who can square up the baseball and get solid hits regularly.
     
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  3. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think bogaerts will change positions personally. He was pissed about them bringing Story in Boston for SS from what I read. Never understood the acceptance of losing from fans. I had the same thing from some Mets fans when we had the Wilpon Coupons as owners.

    I want Turner for either CF for Nym (if Nimmo leaves; I would not give him more then Marte as he's simply not a better player and more injury prone) or (2B if Nimmo stays). Rodon would be the most logical replacement if Degrom leaves (which I hope he doesn't but continuously throwing 100-101 isn't sustainable and has lead to his injury issues imo)
     
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  4. Stitches

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    I would like to see the Mets get Judge if he is to stay in NY.
     
  5. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would too but I don't think Cohen will go there.

    Mariners just made a move for Teoscar Hernandez...
     
  6. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Losing Degrom sucks...

    Replacing him with Verlander does not! 2 years/86M and a 3rd year option.

    Crazy to believe that a team can get better losing the best pitcher in the game but just by virtue of being healthier, that may be what just happened.
     
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    There are new rumors this morning that the Cubs are hot on Bogarts. Fingers crossed, as I'd love to have him. The budget room should honestly be there to sign both he and Turner, but for whatever reason the team seems very opposed to committing to long contracts any more than they have to.
     
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  8. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Cubs have no excuse to not spend. Ditto for Boston.
     
  9. Boik14

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    Trea Turner to Philthy for 11 years and 300m :huh1:
     
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  10. Unlucky 13

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    Booo. There are so few players like him any more. Even if he only hit ten homers, he's still a team MVP type.
     
  11. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Very good player, just annoyed he went to a team I can't stand. Lol
     
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  12. Unlucky 13

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    I'm the same way. The Cardinals endlessly trade beans for all star players and then extend them long term, while the Cubs haven't traded for an established veteran who's more than a rental in about 15 years.
     
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  13. Boik14

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    Your cubs just took a 1 year lottery ticket on Cody Bellinger. I like it. Buy low and see if he can recapture past success in a lower pressure environment
     
  14. Unlucky 13

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    Thats the kind of crap I'm talking about. They'll spend this years money on a short term band aid, but they won't commit to a long deal for someone who can be around for a while. I hate it. Bellinger will either suck or he'll sign somewhere else next year. What's the point?
     
  15. Boik14

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    You could either flip him at the deadline or negotiate exclusively for a year? There's no bad 1 year deal
     
  16. Unlucky 13

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    That's been the team's M.O. for a few years now. They did it at the start of the last rebuild a decade ago with success as well. The issue is that we don't have any super prospects that are coming through the system this time. Just a bunch of bottom of the order/bottom of the rotation types.
     
  17. Boik14

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    Well that’s where a risk like Cody comes in. Say you’re out of it at the deadline but he rebounds…he will fetch you some good prospects as a legit CF if you don’t want to resign him
     
  18. Unlucky 13

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    I'd rather put the money towards a longer deal with a known veteran. Our front office has been striking out left and right on prospects, both the ones we draft and the ones we trade for. Our top prospects are over aged for their level due to injury and covid, dealing with recovery from serious injuries, or both, and none of them have done squat above AA. I just flat out do not trust the developmental group any more. The last time that we had someone come up through the system who made a difference was Schwarber, seven years ago, and he Bryant and Rizzo were all ready to go when the Cubs got them basically. AAA then MLB.

    And the last time that we developed a guy who made any difference in the starting rotation was Jeff Samadzija, and he was only a starter for two years in Chicago after starting his career as a reliever. The Cubs actually drafted him back when Dusty Baker was manager, and he came up when we had Lou Pinella. We finally won the title in 2016, but those teams a decade earlier were good too and a lot more fun to watch.
     
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  19. Boik14

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    Well you do have Pete Crow Armstrong in your system thanks to the Mets from the Baez trade. I think he's a legit top 100 prospect and a stud in CF.

    And now you just added Jameson Taillon in Free Agency 4year/68M
     
  20. Boik14

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    Eventful day...
    Nyy resign Judge 9/360
    Mets sign Jose Quintana 2/26 and trade for Ray's RP Brooks Raley
    Cards sign Contreras 5/87.5
    Padres just signed Bogaerts 11/280 (!!!!)
     
  21. King Felix

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    Pretty meh off-season for the mariners so far

    teoscar was a good pickup, Wong is a wait and see.

    the offense is gonna be garbage again.
     
  22. Unlucky 13

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    I would think that having Julio Rodriguez makes it easier to stomach.
     
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    New MLB Power Rankings at Bleacher Report. They have your Mets at #4 and Mariners at #8 guys. Cubs down at #19 feels even generous at that point.

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles...here-all-30-teams-stand-after-winter-meetings

    The NL Central is a pretty good Cardinals team and then a bunch of trash, and a lot of Cubs fans are convinced that ownership is counting on an inflated win total due to a lot of games vs the Reds, Pirates and Brewers will make people think that Chicago is better than they are and be happy.
     
  24. Boik14

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    Teoscar is the most underrated pickups of the offseason. Wong will provide good defense and be better then what Seattle got out of 2b last year. Yall need bullpen help and for Kelenic to emerge as a legit stud. Get those and keep cleaning up the defense.
     
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  25. Boik14

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    Straight up they need to switch the pads and Phillies. Phillies are still the 3rd best team in that division. Great lineup, strong SP, crap pen, still no fundies (as Keith Hernandez said)
     
  26. Boik14

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    Sengaaaaaaaaaaaa :clap::clap::clap:
     
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  27. Unlucky 13

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    Your Mets are certainly going all in.
     
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    I'm very jealous. Since the current system went into place the Cubs have acted like exceeding the limits was the equalivant of suicide. Just something that was unthinkable and cannot be discussed whatsoever.

    Word is Cubs GM Jed Hoyer just flat out refuses to go more than 6 or 7 years for any player, no matter how good he is. When other teams will offer more, it just automatically eliminates the Cubs from contention. He held his line in the sand and let all of the previous core go as well. Basically saying "We'd rather suck than commit long term to anyone", and Cubs ownership only care about profits, so it won't change unless the cash slows down.
     
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  29. Boik14

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    Yes Cohen has channeled his inner George Steinbrenner
     

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    To be fair, those long term deals past age 35-36 are generally ugly those last few years. It's not the length of contract so much as the age they'll be in those last few years that will suck.

    After dealing the Coupons ownership the last few decades, Cohen has been a blessing. No question about that.

    But connecting the dots here...Eppler signed Ohtani to Anaheim when he was GM there. Ohtani and Senga were teammates in 2017...make it happen Eppdawg (ohtani is FA next year)
     

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  31. Unlucky 13

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    I've gotta say, that as perturbed about what my team has done to improve themselves, I'm really excited about the new scheduling format, where each team plays one another every season. I have long been a fan of disolving the NL and AL and just being MLB, and this is a step in that direction.

    The Cubs play @ Oakland, Minnesota, Houston, Anaheim, the Bronx, South Side, Toronto and Detroit, all in the same year. And the only thing lost is a few series vs the Reds, Cards, Pirates and Brewers. I haven't looked over the rest of the teams' schedules yet, but I love that the Cubs have a lot of 2 home series, 2 away series, repeat. Only two sets of 3-series road trips all year, and they come close to one another in the first half.
     
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  32. Stitches

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    13 years for Correa!?

    I think they'll not like those last 5 years at a minimum.
     
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    Things are certainly getting weird. Hopefully it's an aberration and not tye future.
     
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    Hopefully the next cba does what the NHL did where they can't do contracts longer than 8 years.

    13 for Correa with his back issues that are ongoing and his injury history is just moronic. There were rumors the Mets were going to move on Correa and I'm glad they didn't at that cost.
     
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    I unfortunately have a hard time believing that the MLBPA will agree to anything that doesn't serve their immediate best interests. They'd send the entire sport into ruin ten years from now if it made them a dollar richer today.
     
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    Cubs just signed Swanson as per Jeff Passan. 7/177M full no trade
    Looks like Nico is moving to 2b.
     
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    Welp, that was my least favorite option going into this offseason.

    I wanted Bogarts. I wanted Turner. I was good with signing Correra. If none of the above, I was tolerant of sitting it out, sucking, and going into next offseason with a bunch of budget room. Now I guess I have to cross my fingers that Swanson is more than an average to above average hitter, and his skills don't erode too quickly as he moves into his 30s.

    If everyone is healthy, the Cubs should have a 1-2-6-7 hitter now, at least. Then mediocre Wisdom and Happ as placeholders at their positions. We don't currently have a first baseman, and our catcher is Yan Gomez, who's far better served as a backup. DH will likely be by committee, unless someone steps up in the OF and Belliinger or Happ just hit.

    2B Nico
    SS Swanson
    No one worthy of hitting 3
    No one worthy of hitting 4
    No one worthy of hitting 5
    LF Bellinger
    RF Suziki
    3B Wisdom
    CF Happ
     
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    How cow, I just saw about Correra to the Mets. I thought that SF was a done deal, but I guess not.
     
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    Apparently there was some kind of disagreement over the medicals with an issue relating to Correa prior to even being drafted. What I do know is Correa is a legit 5-6 WAR player whose post season stats are slightly better then his regular season which is important cause no one hit vs San Diego in the short series. He also provides much needed lineup protection for Pete. As long as he's in there around 90% of time (he's at 87% the last 2 years), I'm ok with it even if the length of the deal sucks. The left side of our infield is going to be ridiculous with Correa at 3B and Lindor at SS as both are fantastic on defense.

    Biggest question to me is what happens with Baty. He's a top 20 prospect in the game. I guess he and Correa could share DH/3B with Alvarez working in at DH as well? Or move to LF long term and move on from Canha? Or is he the centerpiece to a package for Ohtani? I'd love to see him keep developing as I think he's another David Wright type player (Wright was a big question mark on defense making 30+ errors as a rookie before winning a few GG awards).
     
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  40. Boik14

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    It's been 19 hours since the Mets made a move dumping James McCant (and eating 19m to do so) and signing some minor leaguer I never heard of.

    This is completely unacceptable :chuckle:

    Such a welcome change from prior ownership.
     
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