http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/01/...ed-fo/landing.html?blockID=844785&feedID=3720
Actually a pretty good article. I don't know if I'd call it "fair and balanced" because I can imagine if Nick Saban read it he wouldn't like it. But it did at one point try and bring out the opinions of players that actually like him like Jason Taylor.
We'd all heard the story before about how a secretary once complimented Saban on his hair cut and then Nick had a henchman contact her to tell her never to directly address Nick Saban unless he addresses you first. Never heard before he did that exact same thing to Jim ****ing Mandich. What a scumbag. Behavior like that isn't normal and it shouldn't be considered acceptable.
Also it looks like the story we'd previously heard about the Jeno James incident, that Nick Saban calmly walked over Jeno to go upstairs and call the doctors, was not correct. He just walked over Jeno and went upstairs period. Then later apologized to the players for panicking, and now he's accusing everyone who recounts the story of exaggerating/lying about how bad Jeno looked. His position seems to be that Jeno didn't look very bad. Nick is all over the place on that incident.
Also I like that the author had the balls to step up and question Nick's account of the Drew Brees thing, which Saban is totally trying to white wash. Crowder had a different account of it. Brees himself has a much different account of it. The doctors presented what they had to say and left the decision up to Saban. They had a negative prognosis on his shoulder. However the doctor who performed the surgery and happens to be the foremost expert in the field, had just given Drew a prognosis of full recovery the weekend before Nick's final phone conversation with Drew. He hadn't made that prognosis until then because with the 360 degree tear in his rotator cuff, in the surgery he'd had to use more attachments than he'd ever used before to repair it. But when he did the checkup he found that it was healing properly and he gave a prognosis of full recovery. Saban still chose to doubt Brees' recovery. I'm not saying it wasn't understandable. It was. I'm saying that Saban is attempting to white wash it after the fact in order to polish up his image.
Unfortunately the thing still nobody wants to talk about is passing over Aaron Rodgers for Ronnie Brown when your quarterback is currently slated to be Gus Frerotte.
It's not all bad. Crowder's story about the conversation in the bathroom where Crowder asked how Terry is doing and Saban answered "She'd be doing a lot better if you could cover the back on third down"...now that's just comedy gold right there. He probably wasn't joking, but I don't care, a story like that is endearing to me.
Unfortunately very little else about him is endearing.
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And I spent months embattled with many, many people in this forum for seriously questioning Saban's character and his approach to coaching the team at a time when everyone, myself included, wanted him to be the savior, long before these problems became overtly evident to the typical fan.
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But I don't blame him for the lie. There is nothing he could have said that would have been better. If he said he did take the job, then he'd be blasted for giving up on the team. If he had said he didn't want to talk about it, it would have been assumed he was taking it and then blasted for giving up on the team.Da 'Fins and cuchulainn like this. -
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IMO the take away from this article is the same as what most of us already knew about Saban. He is a great football mind, but a crappy person and a liar. Personally, I place a great deal of importance in how you treat people, particularly how you treat those you can get away with treating poorly. I think that says as much about you as anything else. I'm glad Saban is gone and away from my Miami Dolphins.
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He does this same crap in Tuscaloosa. They just tolerate it as he is winning games for them, but there are stories there as well that are sweep under the rug. They'll turn on him as soon as the winning stops or he bails for another HC gig. He is reviled in Baton Rouge too for his actions and lies. Guy is a total douche as a person.dolfan7171 and rafael like this. -
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Guy can flat out coach defensive football though. He's awesome at it.
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I dislike him even more now that he's making me root for Notre Dame.
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I hope next season Alabama ends up not being ranked, he is fired, and his attitude eventually gets him beat up in the real world. Seriously if he used the whole "Don't address him unless he addresses you first" mentality in the real world he will be beat up by everyone he meets. Also, if only Mandich did beat up Saban... THat would have been funny and a good lesson to Saban
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What did this man's parents do to him as a child?
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Crowder said Saban has an "amazing football mind." He has certainly shown it in college in recent years with Alabama having claimed national titles in 2009 and 2011. But in the NFL he wasn’t exactly a players’ coach.
“I remember once walking into a bathroom (at the team training facility) and I didn’t think anybody would be in there, but Saban was in there,’’ Crowder said. “I said to him, ‘How’s your wife (Terry)?’ He just looked at me straight in the eye and said, ‘She’d be a lot better if you could cover the back on third down.’
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I just plain don't like Saban and I root against him no matter who he coaches for. I've liked Alabama since Bear Bryant was the coach there but I can't root for them while Saban is the coach. He has got a good football mind but he is a sorry person and he was really treacherous for the way he treated Miami. He slithered out of town to Alabama because he knew he had messed up and the team was going to get worse before it ever got better. He thought by sneaking out of Miami and not answering questions would keep his sparkling image and reputation intact. Saban knew it was a bad situation that could only get worse with a couple more loosing seasons in Miami. He knew he might lose any chance of ever getting another head coaching job or at least for a long time and he needed to make an immediate move or loose the chance so he jumped on the Alabama opportunity. Saban's bumbling job helped to bury Miami in the slide they are still trying to climb out of.
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Saban is amazingly detail oriented.....and a monumental dick head. I am hearing some interesting rumors about Texas and Saban and about double the money.....TIFWIW.
As to the detail oriented part, I give you his 388 page defensive play book
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He's a tool, BUT winning cures everything.
I personally find Saban a scumbag, he's Belicheck without the charm, if that is possible.
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I'm no Catholic but I damn sure hope Notre Dame kicks Bama's *** in that game.
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I'm Catholic but I know for sure Alabama is going to win. I hope I'm wrong since I always like Notre Dame.
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Ive hated Notre Dame almost since the day I first started watching college football. I hope they beat the **** out of Alabama. Saban is a great coach for the college game but the words for him arent really suitable on this board.
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Nick Saban, great and edging toward legendary football coach, absolutely rubbish human being.
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Dave Hyde chips in with some more:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/fl-dave-hyde-nick-saban-0106-20130105,0,49274.column
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I think it's because Rodgers fell so far. It starts to fall into Russell Wilson territory for yeah you passed on him but so did everyone else.
But I don't buy that. The reason Rodgers fell so far, and this has actually been commented on by GMs after the fact, is because once he got beyond a certain few teams that really needed a QB and should have obviously been looking at taking Rodgers (Miami being chief among them), he fell in the lap of teams that had not truly considered the possibility that he would be available at their pick and just weren't prepared to scrap their plans in favor of a 1st round quarterback, which is a decision that GMs say is one that has to be made with 100% organizational backing. Hence there were a fair number of teams that had him rated a top 10 overall pick but just didn't pull the trigger. The decision to take a 1st round quarterback is a special one and it takes a considerable amount of time to get used to the idea. Back in 2001 the reason the Dolphins passed on Drew Brees was not because they didn't have him rated high enough, indeed when they passed their own scouts who had graded him said that Miami will never ever get another shot at such a talented QB that low in the Draft ever again, but just because to take a 1st round quarterback is a special decision that comes with consequences and gives signals that Wannstedt wasn't prepared to give.
So short story short, I do consider that even though 23 teams passed on Aaron Rodgers, in actuality it probably boiled down to 2 or 3 key ones that did so with Miami chief among them.Click to expand...
I recall vividly reports that Saban loved Alex Smith and would have taken him #2. I think Boomer even had a picture of Saban and Smith together at the Senior Bowl. So he understood that he needed a QB, he just didn't know how to properly evaluate them.Click to expand...DolfanTom likes this. -
If I remember correctly, it was all about Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers up to the draft, and for whatever reason, Smith kept rising, and Rodgers (because he was a "system" QB at Cal) kept falling to the point where I think all the draftniks would've accused us of "reaching" and taking him at #2. I remember Satan saying - whether true or not - that he would take Alex Smith if he fell to #2, and of course he didn't, so he went w/ the very solid Ronnie Brown instead. But Christ - Aaron Freaking Rodgers was right there to be had! Uggh!!
Question, though: Rodgers had like three years to sit behind Brett Favre before he started a game. Three years learning from that GB staff (including Philbin) before he was ever thrown to the wolves. How would he have turned out if he started for us sometime in '05, or was - God forbid - left to Cam Cameron if things played out the same way coach wise. Maybe he would've been awesome, who knows, but you have to wonder how much that three-years of marinating in that GB sauce helped him! -
If I remember correctly, it was all about Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers up to the draft, and for whatever reason, Smith kept rising, and Rodgers (because he was a "system" QB at Cal) kept falling to the point where I think all the draftniks would've accused us of "reaching" and taking him at #2. I remember Satan saying - whether true or not - that he would take Alex Smith if he fell to #2, and of course he didn't, so he went w/ the very solid Ronnie Brown instead. But Christ - Aaron Freaking Rodgers was right there to be had! Uggh!!
Question, though: Rodgers had like three years to sit behind Brett Favre before he started a game. Three years learning from that GB staff (including Philbin) before he was ever thrown to the wolves. How would he have turned out if he started for us sometime in '05, or was - God forbid - left to Cam Cameron if things played out the same way coach wise. Maybe he would've been awesome, who knows, but you have to wonder how much that three-years of marinating in that GB sauce helped him!Click to expand...
Nothing wrong with Ridgers being tutored by Jason Garrett, who coincidentally should have been made the OC when Linehan left. Yet another example of Saban not simply trusting what he was doing, to where he felt he needed an expereinced OC, and thus we got Mularkey'dckparrothead likes this.
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