Oh Francis, no one puts baby in a corner, not even baby. I never said Ireland had all the say in our personnel...even during his tenure. He was weak in that sense, another reason he was a poor GM. Nor did I ever say as such, but keep fabricating. It's more than what your simple question asks. There's more to a GM than just the players and coaches who are gathered under his watch. We had comparable player talent to Denver, maybe even better. Some of it came through Ireland. Some from Ross and Parcells, some from Camram and Satan himself. And the culmination would have been good enough to win the AFC West, had Sparano not came out of the gate 0-7. So to your question, I answer with...your question is weak and not worth answering. See the above as to why, I know you can't wait to ask again. Look above. Don't forget...see the above. There it is. Answers in full. Above. And you have no proof of Tenn ownership. You have e-blogging hearsay, of which was said "MAYBE". If that is proof to you, how dare you ever ask for it of anyone else. Don't forget to see the above.
Weak sauce. That bit of mental gymnastics was incredibly weak. None of the talent on the team came from Ross, he doesn't pick players. Very little on the team at the time was from Cam and Saban. Not enough to even mention. You have a time built virtually by Ireland and Parcells. What you're doing, is attempting to morph the facts to fit your narrative instead of listening to the facts and then forming your narrative. Your following post, just further proves that. And hey, that's great for you...you're THAT guy. Be proud of it. I just don't understand why when you are THAT guy you want to argue with someone concerning themselves with facts. Of course, now that I think about it, I don't know why, I as someone who is concerned with facts would want to argue with THAT guy.
Exactly right. You know, I look at your post and see it littered with misinformation and hypocrisy. Stuff I cannot believe you think. So rather than tell you you're wrong, and waste my time proving it to you with facts you won't honor, let's agree to whole heartedly disagree. This thread was about Ross being a failure, it morphed into Ireland yet again. And I have been excited by his moves thus far since the end of the season. We can agree that since our season ended, things are looking up.
You haven't provided facts about why Manning chose Denver over us, and Tennessee and SF. I don't know why you keep acting like you have. Do you think posting offense and defense ratings proves that? Do you think it proves which team was better? You know what proves which team was better head to head and W-L record. They beat us. They had 9 wins, we had 7 straight loses. We lost more in a row then they lThey went to the playoffs and won a playoff game, we did not. But somehow Ireland sucks so bad that he should have been fired years ago, yet he put together a team better than that Denver one? Your stance is bordering on the stupid at this point. You have to somehow rectify how Ross is an idiot for not firing Ireland sooner even though you think Ireland assembled a team more talented than Denver. Yes, things are looking up, but we still need a GM. If we pick up Xanders (or Licht) I'll be happier.
Remember that time you asked me for evidence of you taking news reports for fact when they fit your agenda, all while discounting every single negative report pertaining to the Dolphins as hearsay or part of a media conspiracy? See above.
******sigh******I tried to stop wasting both our times, yet you persist. Again, I don't think Ireland assembled the team by himself. I think you massively misjudge who he brought in versa who was forced in , and already here. An example is Brandon Marshall or Reggie Bush. They were Ross' will and the exact anti-thesis of the Parcellian model Ireland was taught. And two of the best players in the last 5 years. Ross is an idiot for not firing Ireland and Sparano together sooner, because it cost us players and coaches. Plain and simple. We could have been great, instead of average. You think all that goes into personnel talent is wins and losses? The Buffalo bills are that far ahead of us as a franchise, because they swept us? Then you know less about football than I thought. Nothing is stronger than believing and faith. That's why so many wildcards get hot and win the Super Bowl. Go YouTube Broncos and Tebow. Those guys believed, big time. And that explains all those miracle victories. I mean they seriously had like 7 miracle wins, and it's because they believed in Tebow that season. But mental fortitude aside, you also have to look at stats and strip the personnel down. We had a better D, and as strong an offense, or close to it. But we rushed and hired Philbin, got rid of Marshall because he didn't fit his mold, and what was left was uncertainty and a few known dysfunctional front office people.
And Manning never would and never will go out of his way to insult a team owner and GM. You expect him to say "Miami wasn't a fit for me cause they don't hAve their sh!t together." The truth is not written down Francis, out there in the blogosphere. Never will be, like most truths. So you get player speak instead...while you turn your eyes from the obvious. Outside of not having to face Brady twice a year, it was front office and management that lead Manning to the Broncos. They had Elway, we had....that's right...Irish. And we couldn't afford him...but wait??? Whose fault is that??? Not our front office's??? Noooooooo. It's the football fairy's fault!
I bet you had a big "gotcha" boner when posting that. Too bad I never said there was a media conspiracy, nor do I discount every negative story. I've claimed more htan once nowm, that certain guys in the media cannot be trusted. I've given proof upon proof upon proof upon proof of them being wrong. I also pointed out, that there were many reports of the Tennessee offer when the offer was made a few years ago. The one I posted was not from a source I said was untrustworthy. There is no conflict except in your head where you really wish the mean old Fin D was wrong, gosh darn it. Tennessee offered Manning ridiculous amounts of benefits. One of the things reported was ownership in the team. I proved that was reported by giving a link to a report stating that. I'm not real sure what the problem is other than you really want me to be wrong because I called you out on your extreme negativity.
Hahahahahahahaha. So there's no evidence it happened, but it happened and you know that with such conviction that you can argue and insult whoever doesn't think it happened? Un-effing-believable.
Everyone is talking about Marino and how he wants a role in the organization. I have one they can create for him. Player relations. Because there was an obvious disconnect for our team at times from the players. And I've yet to hear anyone sing Ireland praises. Maybe somebody can Google some player speak on that. But had it been Ross and Manning's idol at the discussion table, along with some other changes... things may have played out differently. May have, No you fabricating lunatics, I'm not saying Marino should be GM. But a simple liaison to current and future players, that would be a good role for him. Players worship him as they should. He can impose our bidding.
A Page out of your factless, pointless, hypocritical book on how to keep on spinning. You have utterly sh!t the bed on the Titans offer. I proved to you what they offered. You come back claiming a "maybe" from yahoo sports is a fact. Again, If that's your idea of a fact, then you are a waste for this forums time and have ZERO credibility. Completely laughable.
I proved it was mentioned. I'm not sure why you keep ignoring that other than its a fact and you treat facts as if they were the clap. Its also 100 times more then you've given to prove Manning wouldn't come here because of Ross and Ireland, but keep your double standard going. Talk about zero credibility? You are actually saying that Ross is dumb for not firing Ireland even though Ireland assembled a team that went 0-7 but is somehow better then a Denver team that won a playoff game with Tebow and that's why Manning refused to come here..of which there's no evidence it just is cause you say so, but I'm dumb because I actually provided a link that backs up what I said???? Congrats on your elaborate troll.
And I proved it wasn't true. Oh wow, I didn't know we only played 7 games that season! I swore we finished 6-3. Let me go google that. I have never met some one who used more words to say nothing. Literally nothing. You say nothing, you do the opposite of what you preach. You point to a turd, and call it a sandwich...over and over and over. Why have I wasted my time on your silliness here.
No you didn't. Like everything else, you simply claimed it wasn't true and provided nothing as back up. Where did I say we only played 7 games? Of course, like all your other BS, it never happened. Sure thing Troll. For the sake of the board I'm done discussing this with you, unless you care to explain why ireland sucks but assembled a better team then Denver and how you know for a fact Manning didn't sign with us because of Ireland and Ross even though, by your own admission, there's no evidence of any of that .
Name calling Francis??? Really?? You supplied one link that was factually incorrect, and even stated "maybes" and an admitted lack of knowledge and details in that same article. The rest is history. It is a fact that Adams offered a job after playing. Google it yourself. That's it. The broken record bit is old. I told you Ireland did not assemble this team himself. Keep spinning. You need the whole world spelled out for you in print? Life doesn't work that way. Everything about the government, sports, life, that's in the papers is true and a fact? Something isn't true unless it is physically in print? You have provided no facts here. The only proof there is...is that 90% of this board knew one full year ahead of YOU, what you did not and would not figure out for yourself. That is the only "proof" that exists here. /Francis
Ok, now I see. I guess it's just a huge coincidence that every single negative news report comes from a source that you deem untrustworthy. You use the fact that there were numerous reports about Tennessee's offer as evidence all while disregarding the growing number of sources that say folks have questioned Miami's FO in the past and that candidates have questions about Miami's current organizational structure. I'm not trying to prove you wrong on the Tennessee thing, BTW. I'm proving that you trust the media when it fits your argument, but scream "he can't be trusted, he's always wrong!" or of "hidden agendas" when media reports don't mesh with your glowing opinion of the Miami Dolphins franchise. There are positive and negative news reports about every team every season. Some of both types are wrong and right. You like to paint those of us who believe there MIGHT be some truth to the negative reports as morons who will believe anything. Meanwhile, your refusing to believe or place any stock in ANY negative report is just as shortsighted. I know you'll say you do believe some negative reports. If that's true, I've never once seen it on these forums. Maybe I missed it?
Non-obscure logic, as in they had a better offense for PM to step in to than we did, unless you want to disagree. Less relevant than the offense when we're talking about PM and the effect he has on a team. Don't recall Indy ever having some amazing D w him there and they still won a few games, right? Not really. I don't see how anyone could look at our last 2 weeks and blame Tannehill.
No no no no no... I blame Philbin, not Tannehill for that. And more so am talking simply "believing" vs "not believing". I am still an RT lover. I had my confidence shaken in Philbin by our last 2 horrific and uninspired weeks. I am certainly not calling for Philbin's head at this point tho.
Ok, then the end of your last statement is admittedly fictitious. Those 2 games and TB are def on Philbin, imo. I was hoping he'd be gone but if we can still land a quality GM along w Lazor then I can't be mad.
You had to know Ross wasn't ready to quit on him. I could have took him or left him I was so disgusted. But I think the bigger fish are being fried, and like what I see right now.
The report I quoted was not a positive report. Nor was it a negative report. All it proves is that I did not make up the partial ownership thing like Trolldaddy said I did. I believe plenty of negative reports. It was reported Manning wasn't coming here. I believed that. That was negative. I don't believe the unverifiable stuff, like Trolldaddy is trying to shove down our throats, just like Armando. Neither Armando, Florio, Laconfra or even our very own Jersey Shunt, have spoken to Manning about why he didn't come here so they have no effing clue what they're talking about. But forget all that, go ahead right now and list for me the times I told you not to believe a report and that report turned out to be right.....I'll wait.......
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