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My Ideal Dolphins Draft [Post Yours]

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by DearbornDolfan, Mar 25, 2013.

  1. DearbornDolfan

    DearbornDolfan Active Member

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    1.12 - Eric Fisher/Lane Johnson (OT)
    2.42 - Darius Slay (CB)
    2.54 - Jamar Taylor (CB)
    3.77 - Blidi Wreh-Wilson (CB)
    3.82 - Ryan Swope (WR)
    4.110 - David Quessenberry (C/G)
    5.146 - Chris Harper (WR)
    5.166 - Chris Gragg (TE)
    7.217 - Caleb Sturgis (K)
    7.224 - Michael Clay (OLB)
    7.250 - Kenny Cain (ILB)

    The more I look at this, the more I wonder whether it wouldn't be more productive to just trade Davone Bess to a WR-starved team like the Rams for a 2nd. Let's face it, he's not going to be with the team after this season and if we can get all three of those corners in the 2nd round, the earlier 3rd could be used for Swope and the latter third for another playmaker. Alternatively, you could use the Rams' 2.14 to draft Margus Hunt, who is the very definition of an athletic freak and could eventually be Cameron Wake's replacement.
     
  2. Fin-Omenal

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    Draft Tavon, trade Bess for 4th. Great scenario.

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    A 4th is way too low for Bess, I would say a low 2nd or early 3rd at a minimum. The Patriots set the market with the Welker trade, so even that's a discount. As for Austin, I think Swope is a better value; he's every bit as fast (maybe not quite as shifty), he's bigger and therefor will hold up better in the NFL, and Tannehill already has a rapport with him.

    If you want a Harvin clone, go to the source in the 2014 draft and draft Andre Debose, who is a projected 2nd-3rd rounder. Use the 2014 1st round pick on Austin Seferian-Jenkins.
     
  4. Conuficus

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    I think you're seriously over valuing Bess, as he doesn't have good speed, and frankly he doesn't score much either. Also, what Welker trade are you referring to? The one that happened 6 years ago? If so, just remember we tagged him at that price tag, not the Patriots. So if anything we set the market with that tender, also if Marshall got us 2 3rd round picks given his production, why would a team give anyone a 2nd for Davone Bess? That GM would be out of a job very quickly IMO.
     
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  5. Fin-Omenal

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    I thought the 4th was generous.

    1- He is okay...but nothing spectacular.
    2- He is an impending FA so it could b a one year rejtal

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    If a receiver-poor team won't give up a 2nd for a proven slot receiver that's only making 3 million, then you don't trade him. You literally can't replace the guy outside of the 2nd or 3rd round. And if you're going to draft a rookie, he'd damn well better be a decent route runner with all world speed at the very minimum. That means Swope.
     
  7. DearbornDolfan

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    Guy, listen to yourself. He's our only slot receiver. We only have Wallace, Hartline, and Bess who have produced 100+ yard games.
     
  8. ToddPhin

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    That's odd.... considering the guy you're talking about wasn't even drafted. Bess is worth a 4th at best.
     
  9. ToddPhin

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    I think you should add another CB to the 5th or 7th round just to be safe.
     
  10. Fin-Omenal

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    Drafting an Austin would make trading Bess logical. He has one year left....he's solid but adding a playmaker in the slot makes more sense to me. And please do not pretend Bess is some 100ypg machine.

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    While a good player, no one is trading a 2nd for Bess. I love Bess and love what he has done for the team thru the years but I will be beyond surprised to see a team give up a 2nd for him. The talent level in the 2nd/3rd round range for receivers is too good to give up a 2nd for Bess. Yes they are unproven, but also think that Bess has shown his ceiling. I believe the GM's would rather gamble on the fact that these receivers may have a higher ceiling. I think a fourth, if we do trade him would be generous.

    I think three corners is a bit much. I'd rather have a safety at 42 like Cyprien or Thomas. That's to many high end resources. I understand the logic, just think its being over done a bit. I like the Chris Harper pick and Swope would make sense if Bess is traded. Not sure about Gragg as there other people that I like above him but I wouldn't be upset with the pick. No defensive ends? I think we are going to be taking one between rounds 1-4.
     
  12. Da 'Fins

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    If Miami got a 4th for Bess, they would be laughing in their draft room about getting a steal. That's the reality of teams valuing draft choices. They would only get a 4th or 5th for him. But, I'd do it and draft a couple of young guys.
     
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    Too many CBs and too many WRs IMO. I like both WRs, but I could only see us taking one before rd 7 personally. Similarly, that's way too many CBs in the top 3 rounds.
     
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  14. ToddPhin

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    Nope, Swope isn't every bit as fast. Not even the same ballpark to call it close enough.
    "Bigger and therefore will hold up better"? Huh? Being bigger doesn't prevent brain injuries. Austin never missed a practice in high school & college, meanwhile Swope is already a concussion concern. It seems your desire for Swope has left you making things up. Swope is a receiver; Austin is an Xfactor. Big difference.

    Your logic doesn't make any sense. If we want a Harvin/Austin type player then why should we use a valuable pick on Swope this year only to replace him next year with Debose? Draft Austin and be done with it.
     
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  15. Fin D

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    Right?

    If you want an Austin then don't draft Austin?
     
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    Bess has shown his ceiling in an offense that runs, at max, four receiver sets once in a blue moon. If what's been going around is true, we're going to be seeing them as often as Green Bay does. That's a different animal entirely.

    According to a lot of objective ratings, we have the best safety tandem in the league. On the other hand, we have literally nobody at corner. You draft three rookies and let them fight it out for who gets the boundary and who gets the first slot. Then you make the vets fight for the dime position. I happen to think Jamar Taylor is the ideal slot corner with his toughness and blitzing ability, but that's just me.

    Swope is for the other slot position this season and Harper is Bess' replacement for the 2014 season. I chose Gragg because I like his speed and other measurables. I want Margus Hunt bad, but for that to happen Bess needs to be traded for an early second. Corner is too critical to not go early and often.
     
  17. DearbornDolfan

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    Austin's official 40 time is 4.34, which is the same as Swope's official time. So, yes, they run the exact same speed in a straight line.

    Austin isn't Percy Harvin, he doesn't have anywhere near Harvin's bulk. I think he's going to be in trouble the first time he goes on a crossing route and has a face-to-face meeting with an NFL linebacker.

    Swope isn't Percy Harvin Mk 2. I never said he was. He's very fast and he's relatively tall, which means he's a seam threat from the slot. A guy like Harvin or Austin or Debose is the underneath guy in a three verticals passing concept, which the west coast offense uses a lot; the danger of a player like that taking it to the house means the opposing defense has to keep their linebackers in hook or buzz zones rather than playing underneath robber on the verticals.
     
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  18. Conuficus

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    You do realize we trotted out 4 wide outs quite a bit last year right? Its just that the other guys outside of Hartline and Bess were either a rookie, or a later season pickup or Marlon Moore and Legadu Nanee etc. for instance? Just because the other guys didn't get the ball much doesn't mean we didn't show 4 wide, its just that other guys sucked and couldn't get open.

    You're overvaluing Bess by a good country mile. Sorry, but its true.

    Also you do realize Bess had his second highest receiving yardage total last year despite missing the final 3 games, and that he was only 42 yards away from that when he got injured? Because looked pretty much to all the world that his best year would be last year until his injury. Even then, its not that great to be honest.
     
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    That doesn't mean that Bess all of a sudden he is going to be putting up Jordy Nelson/Greg Jennings type numbers just because he is switching to an offense that runs 4 receiver sets constantly. He still is what he is, a receiver that can create some separation underneath and provide a nice security blanket. That's about it. Bess isn't beating anyone deep or putting up huge touchdown numbers. You don't trade a 2nd for a receiver that's at best going to be your 3rd or 4th receiver.


    Clemons is on a one year and while I'm glad he is back, I want someone to trade underneath him. Again to use the ceiling comment, he has show what he is. To me he is the Davone Bess of defense. A steady performer who you know what he is capable/incapable of. He isn't the guy that's going to make a lot of gaming changing plays, but he isn't going to let a lot of game changing plays happen either. Picking up someone to pair with Jones such as Cyprien or Thomas who at least have to be playmakers, albeit at the college level, is something this team sorely needs.

    Again, taking that many corners is a poor use of resources to me. It's overkill. Jamar Taylor is a nice prospect, as is Slay and Wilson. I just don't think you need to draft all three. Two will suffice just fine. Someone like Phillip Thomas can play in the dime just fine.


    I have no issue with Swope or Harper. I just don't think we need both. Harper would add that physical receiver that we don't have. I just don't see the physical presence of a James Jones or Anquan Boldin on this unit. Gibson can play the slot, as can Hartline. Gragg, again like I said I have no issue. I just prefer Kelce, Escobar, Fauria, Toilolo and few others above him. Personally we need a more well rounded TE such as Dion Sims. I think we need someone to block and block well. It's where Michael Williams would come in. Not my first choice but wouldn't mind the selection. I don't see the love for Margus Hunt. He isn't replacing Wake in a couple of years. If anything he is going to be a 5 technique at the next level. There are more exciting players at DE than him to me.
     
  20. ToddPhin

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    This deserves a chuckle considering in the other Draft thread you said you took Chris Harper in the 5th round to replace him. :lol:
     
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  21. ToddPhin

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    No, it makes more sense to get a lesser version of Austin next year and waste a 3rd round pick this year to temporarily hold down the position. :unsure:
     
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  22. ToddPhin

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    So what you're saying is you prefer to draft on need than value and that you'd rather overdraft one position just to be sure even though by doing so it essentially means costing ourselves an opportunity to upgrade another position? yeah, no thanks.

    WOW, you really like to overdo it in the slot don't you? Add Keller, Clay, and Egnew to the 4 you already listed and nobody will be getting many targets if you have it your way. I think you're missing the fact Keller will serve as the other slot receiver much of the time just as Jermichael Finley has been 2nd & 3rd in targets the past 2 years in GB. Our 4 wide with Tavon Austin is: Wallace - Austin - Keller - Hartline. That becomes one of the league's top lineups and one of the most difficult to defend. Then from there we have a backup receiver, Gibson, who led the NFL in combined TD-1st Down percentage last year, and Gibson & Hartline are both quite capable of occasionally lining up inside.
     
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  23. DearbornDolfan

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    After a year of development. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Bess had a 2nd round grade by the draft committee the year he came out.
     
  24. ToddPhin

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    I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but 32 NFL teams apparently didn't listen to them.
     
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    Keller, Clay, and Egnew will have their roles as WCO tight ends in two and three receiver sets. It's neither desirable nor possible from a strategy perspective to run four receiver sets all the time, but you certainly need the personnel to do it at all.
     
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    I'm perfectly well aware of it, but his status as a UDFA had nothing to do with his on-the-field performance.
     
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    Sure it did. He wasn't even the best receiver in the Rainbow's offense coming out that year. We also had "That" guy on the phins, and he didn't pan out very well.

    Bess was small and slow coming out of college. If it weren't for June Jones selling him HARD Post Draft, we probably wouldn't have given him the time of day. Good thing for us we did.


    Bess is currently my very favorite Dolphin bar none. The guy is what he is. A man that takes his career very seriously. He works harder than anybody I have ever heard of, but he is very very limited physically. On the trade market, he might, and I mean MIGHT garner a 4th round pick. Nothing higher for certain.


    His previous legal issues had nothing to do with his stock falling. He was well removed from that by the time he hit the draft, and from all accounts, even his legal issues were more a very good kid being put in a bad situation.
     
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  28. MrClean

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    Regardless of official combine times, I do not believe Swope is as fast as Austin. As for holding up, there are already concussions concerns with Swope. Bigger does not always mean holding up better. Austin has never missed a game in 4 years of high school and 4 years of college.
     
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  29. Conuficus

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    That's some strong **** right there. What type, I'm not sure, but it is strong ****.
     
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    1.12 - Tavon Austin WR
    2.42 - Menelik Watson OT
    2.54 - Deandre Hopkins/Stedman Bailey WR whichever is available
    3.77 - Blidi Wreh-Wilson (CB) (agree on this if he is there)
    3.82 - Bacarri Rambo S
    4.110 - Jon Bostic ILB or Brandon Jenkins DE
    5.146 - DJ Hayden CB
    5.166 - Tyrann Mathieu CB
    7.217 - Caleb Sturgis/Dustin Hopkins (K)
    7.224 - Nick Moody (OLB)
    7.250 - Greg Reid (CB/ Punt Return)

    While my draft reeks of FSU homerism I would Be okay with Quite a few guys in the 7th round who I see as steals, but the kicker is important. I feel this draft can have a major impact on our playmaking ability in a year or two, while still plugging a hole at any spot on the line (watson is as athletic as he is raw and could very well play any non c position)
     
  31. Finrunner

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    Think I'm with the consensus on this one. Bess, it seems to me, is one of those classic "he's worth more to the team he's on than to another team" kind of guys. His functionality in our offense, any leadership qualities he's gained in the locker room for time served, the fact he's played with Tannehill a year now and formed a trust, and the coaching staff's knowledge and use of his abilities makes him worth more to the Dolphins than he would starting over on another team. Bess is a chains-mover, and really not much more than that. That's not to say he's valueless, because there's a good bit of value in guys that pick up first downs in the NFL. Most of the damage he's going to do in that capacity will be from the slot, however, and I'm wary of just how much value a quick-but-not-fast slot receiver will render during the draft.

    Despite his value/worth to the Dolphins (getting first downs, intangibles), can the Dolphins get more bang for their buck in replacing him? I'm definite they can, but they could do it in quite a few ways - there're certainly more ways to skin a cat than just one. When draft-time comes, there will probably be possibilities to do just that in every round through the fourth or fifth (getting an athletic and semi-competent slot player for less money than Bess makes next year, and certainly less than what he'd make in the years following should he still be on the team). If they do pull the trigger on someone and decide Bess is then expendable, if they decide to trade him at that point, I really can't see them getting much more than a 5th rounder for him. Do you really think he'd command a 2nd or early 3rd during or after the draft? I don't. Not judging by both what we gave up to acquire a much more accomplished WR like Brandon Marshall or what we received for him when we traded him away before a draft. And if a team was to trade for Bess, they'd have to consider that his contract is up next year, and his fiscal expense will likely go up if they want to keep him for more than a year. That fact, as well, would probably keep his draft pick value down.

    For the purposes of the post, I also don't think we'd trade him before the draft opening up a hole that would seemingly require filling, so I think the trade would likely come during the draft or after, if it came at all... because there's not anything that says we have to trade him.
     
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    I like David Quessenberry...I think he can start at RT somewhere in league. I would even be comfortable picking him in the 3rd round.
     
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    I'll give it a go.

    For added fun I will trade down with the Bengals. #12 (1200 pts) and #82 (180) = 1380 ... for #21(800) #37(540) and 149 (32) = 1372 pts

    1/21 CB Trufant/Rhodes
    2/37 S Eric Reid
    2/42 WR Stedman Bailey
    2/54 TE Jordan Reed
    3/77 OT Xavier Nixon
    4/111 OG Brian Winters
    5/146 CB DJ Hayden
    5/149 LB Chase Thomas
    5/166 RB Christian Michael
    7/217 WR Denard Robinson
    7/224 LB Vince Williams
    7/250 CB Brandon McGee
     
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  34. azfinfanmang

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    I really like that draft, but realistically, I seriously doubt that Trufant, Nixon, Winters nor Hayden are still there where you have them posted.

    Love me some Chase Thomas!!!!
     
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    Sure it can happen! It happens all the time in parallel universes! :knucks:
     
  36. Stitches

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    You think McGee could realistically be there in the 7th?!
     
  37. mroz

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    1. J. Jones (alternate would be Austin)
    2a. Gavin Escobar TE, San Diego State (how could Miami not draft a guy with that name?)
    2b. DJ Hayden CB, Houston (Just taking CK's word here)
    3a. Jordan Poyer CB, Oregon State (alternate pick would be either Bailey or Swope)
    3b. DJ Swearinger, S USC (alternate pick would be either Bailey or Swope)
    4. Johnathan Franklin RB UCLA (underrated PAC 12 back that would fit nicely behind Miller)
    5a. B. Williams OT UNC (seems like he would be a great fit for us, if it wasnt for medical concerns he would be a sure 2nd rounder)
    5b. Hugh Thornton, OG, Illinois (same thing as DJ, both guys fit needs)
    7a. IDK
    7b. IDK
    7c. IDK
     
  38. Da 'Fins

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    *** Redux *** (Round 4, 7 notes)
    Here's My Dream Draft:

    1-12. Austin, WR
    2-42. Carradine, DE (wishful thinking on dropping here, but possible)
    2-54. Banks, CB
    3-77. Long, OG/RT
    3-82. Kelce, TE
    4-111. Shamarko Thomas, S (the next Bob Sanders); Also like Jon Bostic, ILB (slipped my mind earlier) in 4-5.
    5-146. Hugh Thornton, OG
    5-166. Knile Davis, RB
    7-217. Melvin White, CB (another kid I love in the late rounds. Would fit ideally with the D - big hitter).

    Too tired to go further :lol:

    I know it won't at all go down this way, but if we had this draft, I'd buy season tickets even though I can't afford it and don't even live in FL.
     
  39. mroz

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    2.42. Tank may very well be there because I dont think he is going to be able to work out before the draft. I actually thought about putting him there in my draft
    2.54. Doubt Banks is there are that point of the draft but if he is I wouldnt take him. Reminds me of SS24 way too much
    Like your third round picks
    4.111. not a fan of the shark
    Like Thonrton there
     
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  40. Da 'Fins

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    Cool. I also like Bostic, LB in 5th-7th (no idea where he'll go but he could become a good ILB if we moved our new guys outside). Hitter and good speed.

    Need to change that up and put him in there.
     

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