My opinion on Philbin.

"jamesthemang wrote:

From experience, the experience from going one way or the other always trumps being in the middle.

What experience is this?

"Finascious D wrote:

I'm sorry, but I still disagree about the pooch.

I think your concerns might be valid, but they simply didn't play out that way. No one was down and we went on to score plenty. Like you said, plays like that do have their place, the difference for me is that this regime obviously knows when to use them.

Not to mention a FG attempt then would have been into a stiff but somewhat swirling wind. Carpenter wasn't going to make that kick if he had tried IMO.

"shouright wrote:

What experience is this?

My whole life I've stood in the middle trying to look at things and learn from them so that I wasn't the same as everybody else because when I was little it all seemed like such deja vu looking at life. While I've learned a lot from watching it's hurt me far more then it has ever helped me and I would trade a day of making hard decisions and learning from them for everything I have learned so far in a heartbeat because that's where the real knowledge comes from, the knowledge from taking chances, which most people shy away from because its much harder but so much more rewarding.

Most of the things people regret before they die are the chances they never took.

"gandalfin wrote:

Not to mention a FG attempt then would have been into a stiff but somewhat swirling wind. Carpenter wasn't going to make that kick if he had tried IMO.

Yeah it would have been tough for sure, but taking the chance is the important thing, even if its a small opportunity we should take advantage of as many opportunities as we can. That's one thing the Patriots get, they score everytime they can because they know that nothing is sure in football, even bad teams can beat you.

"jamesthemang wrote:

Yeah it would have been tough for sure, but taking the chance is the important thing, even if its a small opportunity we should take advantage of as many opportunities as we can. That's one thing the Patriots get, they score everytime they can because they know that nothing is sure in football, even bad teams can beat you.

I have seen the Patriots do that pooch punt. The Patriots do play field position battle at times as well.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

I have seen the Patriots do that pooch punt. The Patriots do play field position battle at times as well.

I really think the big advantage we created in the field position battle had a lot more to do with the win than some are recognizing.

"jamesthemang wrote:

My whole life I've stood in the middle trying to look at things and learn from them so that I wasn't the same as everybody else because when I was little it all seemed like such deja vu looking at life. While I've learned a lot from watching it's hurt me far more then it has ever helped me and I would trade a day of making hard decisions and learning from them for everything I have learned so far in a heartbeat because that's where the real knowledge comes from, the knowledge from taking chances, which most people shy away from because its much harder but so much more rewarding.

Most of the things people regret before they die are the chances they never took.

Well, all the respect in the world for your own personal experience, but I hardly think that translates to making decisions about the rookie quarterback on a football team, and I have to say that if Joe Philbin was basing his decisions on such a thing, he wouldn't be head coaching material IMO.

"jamesthemang wrote:

Hi everybody, I was reading this site among all the other forums out there and it looked like the best(most intelligent and aesthetic) one, so I decided to join. I just thought I would give my opinion on Philbin based on what I've seen. I read a lot of pretty intelligent posts on here from people who seem to know a lot about football, and I only know the basics of it although I've been a Dolphin fan since about 8. Through the posts I've read there were a few things that I didn't see commented on about so I felt like doing so.

During Philbin's press conference he said that this was going to be an agressive team in all phases which sounded great because that's how I think life should be played. So far it has been pretty conservative on offense and defense which worries me because of what he said what it was going to be. I understand he is working with what he has and is gradually trying to become that, but there is one problem with that, that is the same thing Sparano was notorious for, only doing X with X. If there was only Y or Z, X was never attempted. To me, the difference between great coaches and okay ones are ones that will take the chances and play agressive whether or not they have X.

Probably the best example of that right now is the patriots, granted Tom Brady is a great quarterback, but I think it is more of Bill Bellicheck taking the chances with his playcalling/what he tells/lets his coordinators call. The patriots routinely have different players come through their system and shine and this is why I believe they are so stingy with contracts because they believe they can make any player good in their system. It reminds me of when welker was here and everybody thought he was just a decent slot guy and he went over to New England and became one of the best receivers in the league. I understand that our talent isn't great but its certainly not bad, we have a lot of plusses as far as talent goes on our team and a few holes. My point is I believe the Dolphins can be a great team if the coaches give the players the opportunity to. I hope Philbin isn't a X for X guy and will give his players the opportunity to succeed despite the circumstances because the great ones go for it, while the average ones wait for it.

If Philbin gets agressive fast I think it could be a possible playoff season, but if he just waits until everything is perfect, I believe the Dolphins losing streak of playing it safe 10 years will continue. Lack of agression, not lack of talent, is the Dolphins weakness, here's hoping Philbin changes that. I believe this Sunday against the Jets will be the barometer for it, even though it's so early, I feel it is the turning point of the season because they will need to be agressive to win it and show they can compete with anybody. If they continue to play it safe and not let Tannehill throw deep or let the defense blitz especially in a season where not much is expected I don't believe they ever will or at least it will prove to me that Philbin is only as good as his talent which is no fun because any average coach can do that.

I'm really not trying to be negative or cynical because I know it's far too early to judge which is why it's just an opinion right now, just felt like putting it out there because I saw the same safe play in Sparano and I never liked him. I believe if people aren't given a chance to succeed, unless they are very strong individually they won't most of the time, so I'm hoping Philbin gets "agressive in all phases of the game" as he said, and gives the Dolphins a chance to win, vs. anybody.

Cheers. Go Dolphins :D

welcome aboard! U chose the right place.
Are u referring to his first press conference? I just listened to that earlier today because it seems to be the only one on youtube which seems to be the only website with videos that this phone will let me play. In that press conference he did a great job of telling what direction he wants the team to go in as well as explaining that the first year will be more about evauluating and playing to the teams strengths and hiding their weaknesses. Just give Philbin some time, He's already made a difference and is the right man for the job IMO.

Leave the political comments in the pofo forum please. If you cant, it simply makes more work for the staff deleting and giving points.

"shouright wrote:

Well, all the respect in the world for your own personal experience, but I hardly think that translates to making decisions about the rookie quarterback on a football team, and I have to say that if Joe Philbin was basing his decisions on such a thing, he wouldn't be head coaching material IMO.

Well all life is pretty much the same from a ant to a football field(No, I'm not high, lol :P), I'm 100% sure Dolphins would learn more from taking chances whether they work or not then just playing it safe but I think Philbin is doing a good job, I just think he needs to play more agressive when we start facing better teams and to learn while we can afford to. Of course coaches have to know the game but also have guts as we saw even the smartest coaches ( saban ) couldn't do it without guts, he played super safe and that's why he couldn't win games at the pro level where you can't get away with all the shotty playcalling like in college. I think it will be fun to watch and this Sunday will be a big measurement stick as to where we are, I think Philbin can do it though.

"Finascious D wrote:

Suck it Boik..Grover Cleveland is a Commie!!!!!!!

Lolll

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

I have seen the Patriots do that pooch punt. The Patriots do play field position battle at times as well.

This is exactly right. We were playing for field position.
It was well executed.

"jamesthemang wrote:

I feel that they need to mix it up in these areas.

1. Open it up for Tannehill, let him throw to the middle of the field and deep more, just give him more field to play with, if they know we are only giving him 30% of the field they will just sit on it instead of being unsure and covering the whole field which opens up our opportunities, if we give Tannehill less opportunities they will shrink even more when playing good defenses like the Jets. The more opportunities we give him the more chances we have to win, he is here to learn after all, and babying him in rebuilding mode is the wrong thing to do, if they are going to let him play, they should let him play.

2. I read on another post that Wake is playing the run side instead of the rushing side of the line, is that true? If so, they really need to change that, it reminds me of Parcells trying to turn the rushing wake into a run blocker and then wonder why we don't have pass rush. If Wake is the best pass rush we have without blitzing, let him rush especially since he is back to the position he is meant to play but being on the wrong side of the line nullifies that, those almost's against Carson would likely have been sacks, and week one would have gone better as well. This is a big issue if it's true that he is being played there that needs to be fixed. Having a weapon and not using him is like shooting ourselves in the foot purposefully.

3. Let Reggie and Lamar be on the field at the same time as much as possible, they can both take it to the house by run or catch, I know they block poorly but quick passes to them and their explosiveness will scare defenses from blitzing on us especially if we have early success with them. Those two/Wake/a more free Tannehill are our only real weapons so lets use them.

4. I like Reshad Jones and believe he has the necessary agression to do a lot of good things if the DC lets him, we just need to blitz more and stop playing safe because of great line play, let that line play lead to sacks and turnovers.

I believe that if we combine all of these things we will be a much better and more explosive team and people will see that there is plenty of winnable talent already on this team, the coaches just have to give us a chance to win.

1. This means: rolling him out less (which worked well), relying on longer blocking from the OLine (which could lead to more sacks), keeping him in the pocket (more potential for tipped passes), and expecting there to consistently be a WR who has beaten his coverage deep (not seeing this happening on any film I have watched of this team... Meaning Tannehill may have to eat the sack, throw it away or lob it up and pray the CB doesn't come down with it). You say you want to build his confidence but those things aren't confidence builders. Chances are higher of there being problems than of there being successful plays. I think the real issue is you aren't looking for successful plays (more than 4 yards positive gain) you are looking for highlight reel plays, but want them often. By definition highlight reel plays do not happen consistently. That's why they are called highlights.

2. I think Wake rushes off of Right End, does he not? And moves to Left End when they take their tight end out. Not sure he rushes through the strong side TE too often, but I'll watch for it next game.

3. So you want two explosive running backs on the field, but recognize it will mean worse protection for Tannehill and thus quicker shorter passes. I thought you were tired of the quicker shorter passes and wanted them to throw deep. Well, with your Bush-Miller package they are less likely to have good enough protection to throw deep, so you are looking at fewer chances to go deep. Which do you want now, Miller-Bush, or more deep throwing? Everything you do in football has a domino effect.

4. Clemons is a liability in coverage, and our CBs are not great. If Rashad, the one guy who is playing decently back there, is always up at the LOS then it should be much easier for QBs to hit deep throws against us. If you think that won't happen because Jones will be sacking them on every snap, think again. Safety blitzes do not reach the QB more often than they do reach the QB. I can see bringing Rashad Once, MAYBE twice per game, but even then opposing offensive co-ordinations will prepare their team to take advantage of the look and strike us deep. You'll get a highlight play, but not the one you want.

Overall, I think your suggestions focus only on the upside, on what you want to see as a result in every situation, and ignore the risk, cost and downside of each move. Coaches have to weigh the benefit versus the cost before making these decisions. Everything is great if there is no downside... But that's not the reality.

"Bpk wrote:

1. This means: rolling him out less (which worked well), relying on longer blocking from the OLine (which could lead to more sacks), keeping him in the pocket (more potential for tipped passes), and expecting there to consistently be a WR who has beaten his coverage deep (not seeing this happening on any film I have watched of this team... Meaning Tannehill may have to eat the sack, throw it away or lob it up and pray the CB doesn't come down with it). You say you want to build his confidence but those things aren't confidence builders. Chances are higher of there being problems than of there being successful plays. I think the real issue is you aren't looking for successful plays (more than 4 yards positive gain) you are looking for highlight reel plays, but want them often. By definition highlight reel plays do not happen consistently. That's why they are called highlights.

2. I think Wake rushes off of Right End, does he not? And moves to Left End when they take their tight end out. Not sure he rushes through the strong side TE too often, but I'll watch for it next game.

3. So you want two explosive running backs on the field, but recognize it will mean worse protection for Tannehill and thus quicker shorter passes. I thought you were tired of the quicker shorter passes and wanted them to throw deep. Well, with your Bush-Miller package they are less likely to have good enough protection to throw deep, so you are looking at fewer chances to go deep. Which do you want now, Miller-Bush, or more deep throwing? Everything you do in football has a domino effect.

4. Clemons is a liability in coverage, and our CBs are not great. If Rashad, the one guy who is playing decently back there, is always up at the LOS then it should be much easier for QBs to hit deep throws against us. If you think that won't happen because Jones will be sacking them on every snap, think again. Safety blitzes do not reach the QB more often than they do reach the QB. I can see bringing Rashad Once, MAYBE twice per game, but even then opposing offensive co-ordinations will prepare their team to take advantage of the look and strike us deep. You'll get a highlight play, but not the one you want.

Overall, I think your suggestions focus only on the upside, on what you want to see as a result in every situation, and ignore the risk, cost and downside of each move. Coaches have to weigh the benefit versus the cost before making these decisions. Everything is great if there is no downside... But that's not the reality.

1. I'm not saying throw deep everytime I'm just saying go downfield more, just stop playing only 30% of the field most of the plays.

2. I don't know why wake is ever not rushing the weak side, let the stronger guy pick up the runs, let the pass rusher rush the passer.

3. I want explosive backs on the field, we're lucky in that we have two very good ones. I said if they blitz throw short in the beginning which will make the other team back off, if they don't keep punishing them, eventually we will do some major damage with both of these guys together. I'm not saying I don't want to throw deeper either just by saying I want these two guys on the field, I didn't say they had to be on always, just a lot more then they are, and hopefully together, they are probably our best weapon right now, so lets use them. Again, I'm not saying throw deeper always, just more conistently, open up the offense so defenses can't sit on us, our safe play will hurt us way more then help us against good teams and mix it up, use the weapons we have at different times, right now we aren't using our weapons correctly.

4. I just think we need to blitz more, not Rashad everytime but mix it up, I just meant Rashad's agression is something we need to capitalize on, not shun, agressive defenses are the best ones.

Still wanna take chances?

"shouright wrote:

Still wanna take chances?

You're joking right? these coaches are Sparano version 2.0 Ultra conservate football is trying to give the game to the Jets and gonna injure our whole team while he's at it. No kneeling to end the half and getting reggie injured after thomas same way week 1 and timeouts at the end of the game for no reason, this clown Philbin is just asking to get players hurt. I really am getting tired of seeing players get hurt because coaches are beyond stupid and just trying to look smart. If they didn't take the pedal off the gas when it was 7-0 and start running only Thomas then this game would have never gone this way, not to mention never letting Tannehill throw it until 2 mins left and they decide, "well, i guess we should try and win now." These coaches have no idea how to play call they know when we are going to run it and pass it because they do the same obvious pattern every time run run pass, then go pass heavy then run run run, run run pass, it's a joke, Sparano v2.0. I tried to hold back my dislike for coaches like these after Sparano dragged this team through the mud for 4 years, but after seeing these players get hurt for these coaches insanity all over again and this horrendous display of football, I can't take it anymore. I'll call it like i see it, next year new coach, hopefully then they will actually get somebody who wants to win and plays agressive, disgusting what these owners/coaches are doing to the Dolphins.

"jamesthemang wrote:

You're joking right? these coaches are Sparano version 2.0 Ultra conservate football is trying to give the game to the Jets and gonna injure our whole team while he's at it. No kneeling to end the half and getting reggie injured after thomas same way week 1 and timeouts at the end of the game for no reason, this clown Philbin is just asking to get players hurt. I really am getting tired of seeing players get hurt because coaches are beyond stupid and just trying to look smart. If they didn't take the pedal off the gas when it was 7-0 and start running only Thomas then this game would have never gone this way, not to mention never letting Tannehill throw it until 2 mins left and they decide, "well, i guess we should try and win now." These coaches have no idea how to play call they know when we are going to run it and pass it because they do the same obvious pattern every time run run pass, then go pass heavy then run run run, run run pass, it's a joke, Sparano v2.0. I tried to hold back my dislike for coaches like these after Sparano dragged this team through the mud for 4 years, but after seeing these players get hurt for these coaches insanity all over again and this horrendous display of football, I can't take it anymore. I'll call it like i see it, next year new coach, hopefully then they will actually get somebody who wants to win and plays agressive, disgusting what these owners/coaches are doing to the Dolphins.

Feel better?

Wait, isn't kneeling at the end of the half being conservative? I'm confused here.

"shouright wrote:

Feel better?

I do actually, aren't you mad at how this franchise is being destroyed, the Dolphins were once considered one of the top few franchises in the league and it just keeps getting worse and you don't care? It's blatantly obvious how bad it is, that is the worst football i have ever seen, even worse than Sparano, if that's possible. We are losing to dirty franchises like the Jets and Patriots year in and year out because Dolphin fans have forgot what this franchise used to be and settle for this garbage we see now. I'm as impartial as anybody but I waited two years too long on Sparano and he did it for another two years after that, Philbin is playing Sparano ball all over again and you are okay with that? Comon man, stop the trolling, what purpose does that do for anybody?

"NYFinFan wrote:

Wait, isn't kneeling at the end of the half being conservative? I'm confused here.

How is that being conservative? thats being smart, there is a huge difference between agressive and stupid. It's okay for Phibin to give those calls from the sideline while his players continually get injured, guys a joke, players are already fed up with him, you saw it during those timeouts, they had their hands up going "WTF?"

If you know your going to NOT be agressive on your drive before the half because of time constraints., and you know your going to run the clock out, then you don't run the ball with your star player, put in the backup for damn sake..a little intelligence,foresight and prespective please, is that too much to ask for from professionals.

Ok and if Reggie broke a huge run, which he can do, then we'd praise him for being aggressive. Just can't win with this fan base. If Reggie didn't get hurt this isn't a conversation, injuries happen.

"jamesthemang wrote:

You're joking right? these coaches are Sparano version 2.0 Ultra conservate football is trying to give the game to the Jets and gonna injure our whole team while he's at it. No kneeling to end the half and getting reggie injured after thomas same way week 1 and timeouts at the end of the game for no reason, this clown Philbin is just asking to get players hurt. I really am getting tired of seeing players get hurt because coaches are beyond stupid and just trying to look smart. If they didn't take the pedal off the gas when it was 7-0 and start running only Thomas then this game would have never gone this way, not to mention never letting Tannehill throw it until 2 mins left and they decide, "well, i guess we should try and win now." These coaches have no idea how to play call they know when we are going to run it and pass it because they do the same obvious pattern every time run run pass, then go pass heavy then run run run, run run pass, it's a joke, Sparano v2.0. I tried to hold back my dislike for coaches like these after Sparano dragged this team through the mud for 4 years, but after seeing these players get hurt for these coaches insanity all over again and this horrendous display of football, I can't take it anymore. I'll call it like i see it, next year new coach, hopefully then they will actually get somebody who wants to win and plays agressive, disgusting what these owners/coaches are doing to the Dolphins.

The Dolphins over the past few years have been conservative in situations where the overwhelming majority of the league would be conservative. Put down the Madden controller.

I am really impressed with the Philbin group, overall.
not to forget we are rebuilding & learning new systems of play
we have a rookie QB who has already demonstrated he has the tangibles to be great
personally, I like what I see & enjoyed today's game immensely

what to look for is the correction of errors made
& timing of players to improve each game
we will compete in 2012 from the get-go & flourish in 2013.
what's not to like?
the attitude & presentation of this team is already markedly improved to Phibin's credit

We need better talent.