My Response To A Vegetarian

people have a right to choose what they eat and whether or not they drive.

i do eat meat and don't drive.

yet it doesn't mean i value animal meat over humans or vice versa.

Good response, maynard...

I usually just point out that I have canine teeth...

Then, if that fails, I pity them for the inevitable day when scientists discover that plants have feelings. :wink2:

I think your crazy not to eat meat. We have Canines for a reason to tear into meat not lettuce.

i have no problem with someone being a vegetarian, and i dont see any reason to talk about them.

Do people think God made animals to prance around and look cute?? NO!! They were made to be eaten!

some treatment of the animals is despicable. as weird as it may sound, there is a right way and a wrong way to go about killing animals for food. my wife doesn't eat meat, except fish, and its cool. she isnt, never was a big meat eater, but certain foods she has a point about cruelty, like fois gras and veal, is sort of cruel and unusual. i dont eat that anymore. but i crave meat and have to have it.

though if i knew for a fact that if i quit meat, the world would too, then i'd give it up.
but thats not the case, so i'll see you at Morton's next tuesday!

"King Felix wrote:

i have no problem with someone being a vegetarian, and i dont see any reason to talk about them.

i dont either

"anlgp wrote:

people have a right to choose what they eat and whether or not they drive.

i do eat meat and don't drive.

yet it doesn't mean i value animal meat over humans or vice versa.

i agree, except i value humans over animals. god and my brain tells me so lol

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

I don't think the point has much validity. As anlgp said, you have the choice to drive your car and it isn't exactly certain death to drive a car. Animals are forced to be slaughtered and have no choice for their immenent death.

I'm not a vegetarian, but I don't rip on those that are. I think everyone has their right to chose to do what makes them happy and it's not my place to pass judgement.

With that said, I am all for the proper treament of animals in terms of the execution of these slaughterings. I'm absolutely disgusted with the way factory farms are ran and I have boycotted some restaurants based on information I have read/seen on the way some of those establishments treat their animals.

I also think hunting is one of the stupidest thing man does; but I won't try to force my opinion of that on someone. I'm good friends with a lot of hunters.

Couple of things.

I agree 100% with you on treatment of animals

But Hunting I have 1 issue with Hunting and thats if you kill a Animal you better eat it and not just for the joy of killing something.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

Couple of things.

I agree 100% with you on treatment of animals

But Hunting I have 1 issue with Hunting and thats if you kill a Animal you better eat it and not just for the joy of killing something.

yeah...my issue isnt so much with hunting, as it is with crappy hunters who suck and just maim these poor animals into slow excruciating deaths.

I don't get vegetarians... I side with Vincent in the pulp fiction discussion.

I also don't get why people think it's bad animals die. It's a natural cycle of the food chain. You never hear people bitch about the cheetah who snags the slow gazelle. It's just nature taking it's course.

"Clark Kent wrote:

I don't get vegetarians... I side with Vincent in the pulp fiction discussion.

I also don't get why people think it's bad animals die. It's a natural cycle of the food chain. You never hear people bitch about the cheetah who snags the slow gazelle. It's just nature taking it's course.

you mean the pork discussion?

i have to agree there, bacon does taste gooood.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Absolutely agree, Maj. I still don't like it. I mean it's not like people HAVE to do these things. Animals are already harvested and there are plenty killed each year. But I do agree, if you must do it, please harvest it.

I have a friend that, when we were skateboarding down in the park one day, he saw a big flock of gease in the grass. He said he was going to throw a rock into the pile and see what they did. I said, "What the **** do you think they'll do? It's going to kill one."

Of course, he still threw it despite my convincing argument not to. Of course, it hit one and broke it's wing. I told him that if I ever see him do that again, I won't hang out with him ever again.

I hate when people do that ****. Next time throw a rock at him and when he gets pissed just tell him you wanted to see what he would do.:shifty:

My only problem with vegetarians is that so many of them seem to feel the need to try and push vegetarianism on others.

I have never once told someone to put down the carrot they're chewing on and eat a steak, yet I have been told on a few occasions that I should stop eating meat for various reasons.

Did she close her eyes when she talked about it?

I see it this way:

There's plenty of animals that would like to make a 3 course meal out of me. So why should I feel bad about eating another animal?

My gf is/was recently on a not eating chicken kick bc one of her teachers showed her some disgusting slaughter house video. Doing stuff like that is another example of why these "activists" or as I like to call them, "attempted intellectuals", need to keep their opinions to themselves and stop having a parade/sit in for every issue that pops up in their newspaper.

I hate people who are only interested in causes just so they can chime in their opinion and piss the rest of us off. Like little kids who need attention...

I gave up meat for everyday except Saturdays for Lent.

I am finding it extremely difficult and am eating more junk food now than when I was eating meat daily, nightly and ever so rightly. I have mad props for Vegetarians, but I miss eating meat.

"Aqua4Ever04 wrote:

Animals do it to survive. You do it to satisfy your tastebuds.

I know, I know, humans have to eat too, but I think your comparison holds no water whatsoever. Comparing human behavior to animal behavior really isn't fair; you know better than they do.

So when a bear has a choice between eating a fish or cracking open a bee hive for honey, what is it doing?

Your saying animals don't factor in how something tastes when they choose what they want to eat? Completely untrue. The human body doesn't need protein and other nutrients found in meat to grow? Oook. There's a lot more that goes into eating meat then just, "because I think it tastes good."

And there's no, "knowing better." That statement makes it sound like anyone who eats meat is choosing a vice.

Without getting into a long drawn out discussion about it, i'd like to say anyone who calls something stupid better have reaserched it and understand the need or needlessness for something like hunting.
Everything has an upside and down side to it. Yes there are bad hunters thats give good hunters a bad name and the media and Peta love to highlight the bad things that go on. As long as the human species continues to populate the Earth without any control, and continue to intrude on animals natural habitat then it is up to us to manage the population of the wildlife for our protection and theirs.
How many people that live in growing cities have seen land developed that was once a large field or small forest? Where do you think those animals go? That means less food, more consintration of the wildlife population and starvation, ever see a whitetail deer starving to death? or a Coytote? Ever see the results of a deer car acident? When winter rolls around and deer wander to the roadside to eat grass where snow melted away from the shoulders and then run infront of a car, smashing through the windshield and killing somone. Or causing someone to panic and swerve and hit another vehical doing 60 MPH head on. If the population wasn't controlled it would be even worse. It also hits none hunters in the pocket as well. It drives up the cost of auto insurance.

And for those that think meat goes to waste, hunters donate meat to low income families every year.

450,000+ out of 1.8 million whitetail deer were harvested last season in Michigan. Imagine if we stopped hunting for one year. You'd have deseased and starving deer migrating into other states. Spreading CWD (Chronic waste disease) and TB (Bovine Tuberculosis). Not to mention intrusions in to towns and peoples yards were the animals waste can cause disease in humans.

And I didn't even get into Bear hunting or small game.

I'll say this about hunting that i truely hate, poachers and game farms. Game farms should be illegal because they raise animals for the sole purpose of hunting and it's not even really hunting, and are generally run by clubs. It serves no purpose for wildlife control and is a breading ground for TB and CWD. And poaching laws need to be even more strict.

But I just love it when people who live in cities that haven't seen a wild animal since their last trip to the zoo make judgements on something they have no clue of it's importance. Like I said before, lets stop hunting for a few years and see just how quickly those people are complaining about wild animals over running their lovely suburban homes. Deer ,Bear coyotes, Pinemartins, Racoons, Fox ect... They are not loveble Disney characters.

"King Felix wrote:

i have no problem with someone being a vegetarian, and i dont see any reason to talk about them.

maybe you missed the part where the vegan started the conversation?

I have pointy meat eating teeth.. I use them... omnivore I am.

It has been supposed that it was the extra protein aquired when we began learning to eat and digest meat.. likely as scavengers that allowed our brain to increase in size and complexity. There was no equivelent in the plant world available to our knuckle dragging ancestors. It is also supposed that fish and shell fish may have been the start because early man, like modern man, covets the coast, and exploits the bounty of the sea. It is sad that all of this is now covered by ocean and we have no way to really examine these earliest of settlements.

I don't think your comeback is very good at all.

People drive cars of their own free will knowing the risk. Animals don't offer themselves up to be killed and cooked. In fact I'd say your comeback makes no sense at all man.

And LOL at the animal population thing. We breed our food, sure the animal population would probably be larger if we didn't but it wouldn't get out of controll. It's not like we're eating the extras.

I USED to be vegetarian, and honestly I still think it's the right thing. However society is hard to live in when you're very different from other people.

People are often hypocrites. I'll never forget a text I read once in college that stated "I have an Earth First! bumper sticker on my car that leaks oil wherever it goes."

I used to work at a fast-food Chinese place and we used styrofoam takeout containers. Once a couple of barely-20 girls decided to direct their criticism at me. I would've gotten reprimanded if I had asked them where they live, betting that it was probably Kendall since Miami was until very recently a doughnut-shaped city. They wouldn't have a problem with using a car to get around, pushing development further into the Everglades, etc. Only their battles are important.

Anyone who knows me knows that I'm very weak around animals. Coincidentally, I happened to mention to one of my housemates last night that I had a lesson with the arsehole and he said "oh, the one that laughed about your cat?" When I said "yeah" he said "you know Michael, it is kind of funny." I wasn't happy afterwards and later that night he apologized for belittling my grief. Does that mean that I don't eat meat? I do eat meat. Like many I eat mostly chicken and sometimes tuna (and yes, I make sure it's dolphin-safe). I don't criticize vegetarians and the ones that are my friends don't criticize me either.

"Hellion wrote:

Without getting into a long drawn out discussion about it, i'd like to say anyone who calls something stupid better have reaserched it and understand the need or needlessness for something like hunting.
Everything has an upside and down side to it. Yes there are bad hunters thats give good hunters a bad name and the media and Peta love to highlight the bad things that go on. As long as the human species continues to populate the Earth without any control, and continue to intrude on animals natural habitat then it is up to us to manage the population of the wildlife for our protection and theirs.
How many people that live in growing cities have seen land developed that was once a large field or small forest? s.

thats true. dont get me started on that lunatic octuplet mom. she should be tarred and feathered.

countries need to consider a less extreme method similar to China's birth restrictions. maybe start imposing heavy taxes for people who have more than 3 children. forced vasectomy for dads fathering more than 3 kids. i mean, that is whats pandemic. all these unsuitable parents, birthing more kids than they can handle, polluting the population and planet...making everyone else pay for their carelessness.

"Alex44 wrote:

I don't think your comeback is very good at all.

People drive cars of their own free will knowing the risk. Animals don't offer themselves up to be killed and cooked. In fact I'd say your comeback makes no sense at all man.

And LOL at the animal population thing. We breed our food, sure the animal population would probably be larger if we didn't but it wouldn't get out of controll. It's not like we're eating the extras.
I USED to be vegetarian, and honestly I still think it's the right thing. However society is hard to live in when you're very different from other people.

What education or experiance do you have? I have been hunting basically all my life i was raised that way, my entire family and friends hunt, I have a brother in law who is a game warden I have a cousin who works for the fish and game department of Michigan. I have two friends that are DNR officers for the state of Michigan. I live in one of the most populated area's for wildlife in Michigan. There are more deer in the State of Michigan than any other. I was born and raised in an area that lifestyle IS hunting. So in otherwards you are bringing a plastic spork to a gun fight.

The "we breed our own food" comment. Spoken like a guy that has never been outside of his backyard. The animal population would "probably be larger"? Maybe? Where did you get your fantastic wildlife management degree from? The deer population would at the very least increase 50% in size depending on the severity of the winter. More like 65%. Thats just the deer. It's not an opinion it's a fact.

Again i am not talking about animals on a farm. LOL funny how you think a cow is wildlife though. Not Chickens, not pigs not stray dogs and cats.

Ask the Florida wildlife management what would happen if they decided to let the gator population manage itself.

if we didn't but it wouldn't get out of controll. It's not like we're eating the extras.

I have know idea what you are trying to say here.
If we didn't hunt and manage the wildlife population then how would it stay in control? Would they manage themselves? LOL. Explain please how that is possible?

eating the extra what?