My sunday afternoon NFL Network Pats vrs Dolphins game thread..Anyone else watchin?

Omg, another inside rush by Reggie torbor..lol...he's 0 for 4 with 0 pressures in that dept..

Sorry Bro, budgetary cutbacks forced a switch from Satellite to Cable, meaning no NFLN...and no DVR's of the 09 games...

So Big Jake let Banta whomever get the best of him causing a White errant pass, and his first pass of the season was an overthrow of Ted Ginn deep down the middle of the field, 3 passes left..

White has to make Defenses respect his passing, until he does he won't have running lanes he can use, and he should work on his speed maybe a bit more than his size...imho.

What up Pod....and ginn does not dissapoint...check it, 3 mins to go, down by 7, henne drops, fires a 25 yard laser down the middle of the seam, a little high, but a very catchable ball, very catchable, nicely lead, if ginn catches it, he was in a full stride, and he has a solid chance of scoring...Padre..if you trust my eyes then i tell you what I saw with them....His reaction time was slow coming out of his break, didnt get his hands up in time, and he was worried as hell he was gonna get clocked.....

We punt, game over..

"djphinfan wrote:

What up Pod....and ginn does not dissapoint...check it, 3 mins to go, down by 7, henne drops, fires a 25 yard laser down the middle of the seam, a little high, but a very catchable ball, very catchable, nicely lead, if ginn catches it, he was in a full stride, and he has a solid chance of scoring...Padre..if you trust my eyes then i tell you what I saw with them....His reaction time was slow coming out of his break, didnt get his hands up in time, and he was worried as hell he was gonna get clocked.....

We punt, game over..

Hey now, let us be accurate here Deej, on that last drive attempt all 3 Wr's had good chances to make a play and just did not, Hartline, Bess, and Ginn.

Recall the "What Brandon Marshall acquisition means" thread wherein it was speculated that "if" Sparano, Irish and Tuna were rewatching the entire season, they'd have to think that adding Marshall would have equaled 2 or 3 more wins?

The first patsies game was one of those on the list, along with Indy, NOLA, Titans, Steelers..

Recall that Thiggy's second Int was an underthrow to...Mr Ginn..the Beast is much more apt to be a better target..:wink2:

"padre31 wrote:

Hey now, let us be accurate here Deej, on that last drive attempt all 3 Wr's had good chances to make a play and just did not, Hartline, Bess, and Ginn.

Recall the "What Brandon Marshall acquisition means" thread wherein it was speculated that "if" Sparano, Irish and Tuna were rewatching the entire season, they'd have to think that adding Marshall would have equaled 2 or 3 more wins?

The first patsies game was one of those on the list, along with Indy, NOLA, Titans, Steelers..

Recall that Thiggy's second Int was an underthrow to...Mr Ginn..the Beast is much more apt to be a better target..:wink2:

I guess so..for me though, it wasnt about just dropping the ball, it was a reaffirmation of why he was shipped off to San fran....it was a crucial drop..

How bout that Reggie torbor switch to dtackle thing? How do you project him at the nose?

"djphinfan wrote:

I guess so..for me though, it wasnt about just dropping the ball, it was a reaffirmation of why he was shipped off to San fran....it was a crucial drop..

We shall see, keep in mind that was what couldn't do, there were several things he could do, and his drop was no worse than the other two drops, yet because he was Ginn things are magnified.

"Davone Bess..great hands!"

"Ted Ginn..poor hands!"

They both dropped the ball on that particular drive, and iirc, Bess also fumbled a punt in that game?

How bout that Reggie torbor switch to dtackle thing? How do you project him at the nose?

There are reasons why Mike Nolan is now the DefCord, and why Reggie Torbor's old LB coach Bill Sheridan is the only chance he has of sticking on the roster for 3 millie this season.

Pat White as our jet sweep guy!? Oh no! :no:

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

Pat White as our jet sweep guy!? Oh no! :no:

Oh my yes! :yes:

As I mentioned though, Sparano is talking about White having to prove he is a NFL Qb, to me after studying him, he needs to pick up a step when he runs as NFL quality De's are to quick for some of the stuff he used to do at WVa.

So let's see what a yr in the weight program does for him, as he needs solid 4.4 speed to make it work.

Sorry to bust ya'lls bubble :shifty:

The wildcat is a smash mouth formation in which Pat White has yet to earn a place on the field. Right now, he's barely a threat to pass and that's about it. He's just too undersized to sell it....

Ronnie Brown has earned the respect of defenses.... he puts them on their heels. Pat White has them licking their chops...

And the reason you leave Henne on the field in the WC is because he is actually a threat to throw the football.

That game annoyed the crap out of me. We had chances to make big plays and win the game and everything was just out of reach. Perfect example was already talked about with the drive at the end of the game where the receivers couldn't make the play. So many losses were so close to being wins. Infuriating.

I will have none of that crap this season.

"padre31 wrote:

Oh my yes! :yes:

As I mentioned though, Sparano is talking about White having to prove he is a NFL Qb, to me after studying him, he needs to pick up a step when he runs as NFL quality De's are to quick for some of the stuff he used to do at WVa.

So let's see what a yr in the weight program does for him, as he needs solid 4.4 speed to make it work.

That dude would get murdered...not to mention Ricjy has done a very good job out of the formation imo.

"jetssuck wrote:

Sorry to bust ya'lls bubble :shifty:

The wildcat is a smash mouth formation in which Pat White has yet to earn a place on the field. Right now, he's barely a threat to pass and that's about it. He's just too undersized to sell it....

Ronnie Brown has earned the respect of defenses.... he puts them on their heels. Pat White has them licking their chops...

And the reason you leave Henne on the field in the WC is because he is actually a threat to throw the football.

JS, come on brother, you know darn well he can pass the football for what that position would require in specific play's...

When the game slows down for him, and he gets proper protection, he can throw the football, he does have a talented arm, not the most accurate, but talented enough to get the job done.

The football field is the same size in college as it is in the pros, yes the players are bigger and faster, but if he gets proper time like I said, its the same game.

Please do not take what I said out of context, i know you brother, lol...you know what I'am tryin to say..

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

That game annoyed the crap out of me. We had chances to make big plays and win the game and everything was just out of reach. Perfect example was already talked about with the drive at the end of the game where the receivers couldn't make the play. So many losses were so close to being wins. Infuriating.

I will have none of that crap this season.

lol...YEAH!!!!ME NEITHER!!NONE OF THAT CRAP, NOT GONNA STAND FOR IT!!

lol. that was funny Rock

"djphinfan wrote:

JS, come on brother, you know darn well he can pass the football for what that position would require in specific play's...

When the game slows down for him, and he gets proper protection, he can throw the football, he does have a talented arm, not the most accurate, but talented enough to get the job done.

The football field is the same size in college as it is in the pros, yes the players are bigger and faster, but if he gets proper time like I said, its the same game.

Please do not take what I said out of context, i know you brother, lol...you know what I'am tryin to say..

Funny thing is, I just rewatched the longer Pat White at WVa videos and he was throwing the ball into tiny windows, as in the Receiver was covered type of windows.

To me, his offseason should have included squats, dead lifts, box jumps and speed training because his key to success at WVa was forcing the defense to respect his speed, then throwing the ball, last yr his speed was not respected so his chances to throw were just not likely to work very well.

In college when he got to the edge the DE was forced to play run or pass, in the pros De's just stay home which reduces White's throwing lanes and they are fast enough that they do not have to guard against White getting outside of their containment.

As White himself said, in the NFL De's run 4'5's too, meaning he'd best work on his explosiveness in what Sparano said was "football playing shape".

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

That dude would get murdered...not to mention Ricjy has done a very good job out of the formation imo.

but the safety cannot sell out on the run if Pat can become that player...Iam gonna be patient because I think the payoff is space, space that ronnie does'nt get when ricky is runnin it..dont get me wrong, I love rick on the sweep as well, i just think that payoff will be special if Pat can get bigger and stronger.

That was always the goal for me...compliment Ronnie brown to create space.

I'll tell ya, there was 1 play in this game where Ronnie actually dropped back, and went threw a progression, scrambled around some, kept his mechanic's, set his feet and made a decent throw...

The Revolution, the evolution will continue...

Iam serious, the wildcat, the wildpat, in this game, was fantastic.

"padre31 wrote:

Funny thing is, I just rewatched the longer Pat White at WVa videos and he was throwing the ball into tiny windows, as in the Receiver was covered type of windows.

To me, his offseason should have included squats, dead lifts, box jumps and speed training because his key to success at WVa was forcing the defense to respect his speed, then throwing the ball, last yr his speed was not respected so his chances to throw were just not likely to work very well.

In college when he got to the edge the DE was forced to play run or pass, in the pros De's just stay home which reduces White's throwing lanes and they are fast enough that they do not have to guard against White getting outside of their containment.

As White himself said, in the NFL De's run 4'5's too, meaning he'd best work on his explosiveness in what Sparano said was "football playing shape".

gibril was so bad in this game man...hey bud, how bout that safety rotation in cincy with Gibril and the crock.?lol...ooof.

got some quotes from belicek during the game..

Belicek to taylor..."your playing good buddy", your going to be in the hall of fame one day" against us".. Their man love was evident...JT was all up in him, almost literally, lol..hugs and ear whispers..JT said something to him after the comments but he made sure noone could hear him..completely perplexing to me why JT is not a Patriot.

Pregame...."were gonna see Pat white in this game alot".........they did, and he played well in the game.he really did.

about davone bess...."when he plays outside, press him"....why a corner has to be told that is pretty funny.

"djphinfan wrote:

gibril was so bad in this game man...hey bud, how bout that safety rotation in cincy with Gibril and the crock.?lol...ooof.

Don't forget Traveres "asbestos helmet" Tillman Bro....

Maybe Shula and Jake Scott making nice will lift the curse of the crappy safety this year?

"padre31 wrote:

Don't forget Traveres "asbestos helmet" Tillman Bro....

Maybe Shula and Jake Scott making nice will lift the curse of the crappy safety this year?

with the combination of negative dynamics that 2 rookie corners and a gibril wilson can do on Y Bell,its unbelievable the bullfrog got some pro bowl consideration..This poor man has to be the most underrated player on our team...watch his game rise if our corners become as good as they think they will, and clemons pans out.

I know you saw him flash speed last year like i did, there were instances where it was evident, but if we can improve and this guy can settle in and just play football, were looking at a probowl player imo.

"djphinfan wrote:

but the safety cannot sell out on the run if Pat can become that player...Iam gonna be patient because I think the payoff is space, space that ronnie does'nt get when ricky is runnin it..dont get me wrong, I love rick on the sweep as well, i just think that payoff will be special if Pat can get bigger and stronger.

That was always the goal for me...compliment Ronnie brown to create space.

I'll tell ya, there was 1 play in this game where Ronnie actually dropped back, and went threw a progression, scrambled around some, kept his mechanic's, set his feet and made a decent throw...

The Revolution, the evolution will continue...

Iam serious, the wildcat, the wildpat, in this game, was fantastic.

I don;t see Pat getting noticably bigger and stronger. He has a petite frame.

Not to mention, Bell is finally staying healthy so he can build on his performance rather than rehab. That's progress.

"djphinfan wrote:

with the combination of negative dynamics that 2 rookie corners and a gibril wilson can do on Y Bell,its unbelievable the bullfrog got some pro bowl consideration..This poor man has to be the most underrated player on our team...watch his game rise if our corners become as good as they think they will, and clemons pans out.

I know you saw him flash speed last year like i did, there were instances where it was evident, but if we can improve and this guy can settle in and just play football, were looking at a probowl player imo.

Agree, I don't get the Bullfrog bashing.

Just relooked at the schedule man it is a killer:

Favre
Sanchez
Brady
Rodgers
Big Ben
Palmer
Flacco

Brother, that secondary had better have it's head screwed on tightly as aside from Sanchez, that is a list full of Pro Bowl caliber Qb's to start the season.

I suspect we will see a heavy running attack just to keep the defense off the field and those cats chillin' on the sideline with their hats on backwards.

"Bpk wrote:

I don;t see Pat getting noticably bigger and stronger. He has a petite frame.

I can, especially through his bubble from his upper back to his hamstrings.

Looking at that schedule, man, welcome to the NFL, I bet Sparano is not going to mess around early in the year, hopefully the "Williams Wall" is not up for Game #2 due to the Star Caps suspensions, and we miss Santonio Holmes in that Jets game and Wes Welker in the first pats game.

Do you watch the O-line and D-line a lot during the game?

How were Jake Grove and Randy Starks?