NEw Crowder Info 8:09

Thanks dgb

Not surprising. As I've been saying, Crowder is not worth the big money he wants. I'd give it to Dansby.

mmmm dansby.

can you see dansby, wake, porter and player x from the draft?

:drool:

What they figure is that if the top linebacker demands say 7m and Crowder 5m what's the point of giving Crowder all that cash?

I think Channing Crowder is the most overrated guy on the Phins. I hope we don't overpay him. I'd prefer we just trade him for a draft pick.

In four years he has ZERO int's, TWO sacks, THREE forced fumbles and three recovered. Zzzzzz.

What drives me crazy about Crowder is that he is so damn incapable of applying good pressure up the middle. Dansby on the other hand can do it with ease. Dansby had a 8 sacks season a couple years ago.

I can see the rationale in letting Crowder go. To be honest if Jordan Gross were to not be franchised I could easily see the rationale in acquiring him too. Prices may be similar for players in the market but talent isn't.

If it costs maybe 4m-5m a year to go from Crowder-Carey to Dansby-Gross you do it.

I mean seriously it's pathetic that our entire ILB core produced .5 sacks. The Steelers produced 10 sacks. The Ravens had six.

I mean I keep hearing about how pathetic Matt Roth was at SOLB, but if you add four more sacks or so with your ILBs from a guy like a Karlos Dansby hey guess what you've not only upgraded in all the other departments Crowder was good at but also your pass rush in a major way. No pressure up the middle is idiotic.

"Roman529 wrote:

I'd prefer we just trade him for a draft pick.

hes a FA.

i have no problem with letting him walk if he wants that kind of money.....

I like Crowder, have since day one in the Phins uni. He is not worth the money he is expecting though, and it is better that the team does what they appear to be doing, and that is letting him walk.

He may not be a star but he's certainly a solid LB. Not to mention he's got great intensity and energy on the field. I'd love for him to get resigned, but for a price that's fair for both sides.

I mean think about it this way, a 4-3 and a 3-4 are not that different in that they try to provide pressure from the same basic angles. The way they do this is different but it's not like a 3-4 should ever rely on merely the edges. In a great defense you must have inside as well as edge pressure.

When playing the Dolphins I would tell my LG, C, and RG to have a tea-party. Only my tackles have to work most of the time and if a OLB gets through guess what we'll just shift attention over.
Oh you know what let's do even better. Let's force them to take Roth out of the game or prevent Torbor from going in by going into the spread formation. Wonderful now we have ZEROOOOOOO pressure from the middle (the 3-4 DEs once in a while will break through because ours are actually quite good) and almost nothing from the left.

It's one of the reason why it seems like the Ravens are so much better at rushing the passer. Inside pressure usually doesn't represent itself in sacks, it simply disrupts the play. I guarantee that if we exchange Dansby for Crowder we've essentially added the effect of a major pass rusher at LOLB while upgrading the tackling, matching the coverage, and overall ability the middle of our LB core possessed last year.

James Laurenitis anyone? :shifty: bueller, bueller, anyone, anyone?

According to a well placed source, Crowder will be allowed to leave.

Come on Boom, who is going to believe they would just let a FA walk ................."sarcasm".

I've never drank the Crowder Kool-aid. After years of learning from Zach Thomas, he should produce more.

Crowder is average at best. . I like the Idea of Dansby but how about Bart Scott from the Ravens . . should he be let go. . although their is a rumour Ray Lewis is being targeted by Dallas in which case the Ravens will be able to keep him (Scott) with no financial worries. . shame if true. .

"syborg wrote:

Crowder is average at best. . I like the Idea of Dansby but how about Bart Scott from the Ravens . . should he be let go. . although their is a rumour Ray Lewis is being targeted by Dallas in which case the Ravens will be able to keep him (Scott) with no financial worries. . shame if true. .

Here is a link to the above: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2009/01/ray_lewis_2.html

When your leading tackler is your Safety, you know your ILB's SUCK!!!

Have a nice day, Crowder!

I can understand letting Crowder go, but those of you hoping for Dansby should let that dream die. The cards have the franchise tag and no one to use it on.

Let him walk, the way this FO finds talent, 5 mil roughly for Crowder is far too expensive.

As I was watching the Arizona Cards play on Sunday, I kept an eye out for Dansby because of all the talk on this board about him.
The truth is I didn't hear his name but 1 time. IDK what all the fuss is about.

"gi§h® wrote:

James Laurenitis anyone? :shifty: bueller, bueller, anyone, anyone?

iam interested to see what james L weighs in at..i think i heard that channing was playing at about 235 at the end of the year, with channings visible lack of strength at the point of attack i would take James l at his position in a heart beat. If i could just swap em out. I know James will make plays behind the LOS. just havin some fun here

Crowder has value as a leader and communicator that make him more valuable than purely his performance in #s of tackles, etc.. That said, I'm in agreement that you can't overlook the lack of big plays when he's looking for the big $. He's a solid tackler, but he doesn't anticipate the play such that he can make tackles in the backfield: they're always down the field. I'd really like to see him stick around, but if there is an upgrade available, I don't know where Crowder would really fit in.

Crowder was being carried By Zach and now is out on his own and cannot cope IMO he is too slow not getting there fast enough. .