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New England is DONE

Discussion in 'AFC East Rivals' started by GARDENHEAD, Jan 11, 2010.

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  1. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I expect New England to be an 8-8 team next year. Consider the following:

    1. Their recent drafts have been downright Wannestedtian. Only 2 players remain from the 2006 draft (Maroney, Gotskowski). Only 1 player remains from the 2007 draft (Merriweather).

    2. Their o-line cannot protect Brady. Yes, they played the Ravens, but this has been their problem all season.

    3. They have NO RBs. Faulk, Morris, and Taylor are old men. Maroney is a fumble machine who isnt that good anyway.

    4. Welker will miss/not be up to 100% for 2010. You don't blow out your knee making a routine cut, and make a full recovery. And I don't care how good Edelman looked on Sunday, he ain't Wes Welker.

    5. No leaders on defense.

    6. No pass rush all season.

    7. All empires must crumble. Its simply their time.

    Yes, they still have Bellicheck and Brady and Moss, but these guys had their run and now its over. Buh-bye. Thanks for playing. You got lucky in a few Super Bowls and unlucky in another.
     
  2. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    They'll be back. I'm not crazy enough to count them out.
     
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  3. TiP54

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    Pretty much this.
    Until i see that, i wont belive it.
     
  4. shaunm000

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    Yeah, but they have like 5 pics in the first 2 rounds. They should be able to find some new talent to plug into those holes you speak of. They still worry me.
     
  5. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Back in 2003 or so, I learned never to count New England out of a game. Sure enough, they'd always find a way to win. But then they lost their mojo, and turned into a team that couldn't get it done in the big games.

    That's sort of a microcosm of where they are as a team. We'll probably split with them from here until eternity, but they aren't a powerhouse any more.
     
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  6. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    They have 4 picks in the first two rounds this year (currently). However, they have Oakland's 1st rounder in 2011, so even if they are down for a year or so, they have the resources in place to pick it back pretty quickly. They also had the 4 picks last year in the first 2 rounds who will be huge if they grow into starters.
     
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  7. azfinfanmang

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    True, but they have NOT done so well in the last couple of drafts.
    Also, having a gazillion picks means you wikk either have a gazillion rookies start, or will make 1/2 gazillion bad picks.
    Signing more High-end picks means less FA money.
    Moss is getting older and slower.
    Brady is a shadow of his former self and got beat up A LOT.
    They have NOBODY behind Brady for the future.
    The O-line is getting old and slow.
    -They were fortunate to play teams as they were down this year, Tenn, Atl the Jests...all at low-points of their season.
    They were exposed by a good defense.
    I do think they are MUCH closer to circling the drain.
     
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  8. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    That's why I said if they grow into starters. :wink2:

    I am well aware that recent picks appear to be ho-hum, but it could turn around quickly.
     
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  9. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Excellent points.
     
  10. azfinfanmang

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    I don't think it will turn atound quickly, a team full of rookies just doesn't do that, BUT, according to the Parc-Land way of drafting, if you throw enough picks at one position, you will eventually pick a winner.
    The Pats better start throwing some high-picks at the QB position.
    Regardless of what the media says, Brady was not so great this year, and he is starting to get old, and hurt.
     
  11. anlgp

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    i want the pats to be done more than anyone.

    i would love nothing more than their drafting to be that of sloths on the football field.

    i agree their concerns you posted are legit, but they have too many picks to rebound from this. they're on the mat and in a choke hold, but to me they haven't submitted yet. i'm waiting for the day. it will come.
     
  12. Jaydog57

    Jaydog57 Canes/Fins/Magic fan

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    Towards the end of the game yesterday, they showed a couple Ravens players facing the crowd saying, "I'm sorry, but your era, is over!", and then repeating it several times :lol:
     
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    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I hope you are right. But they are like coackroaches....they always seem to find a way. (at least they always do in the last 10 years)
     
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    I think it's hard to count any team out.
    BUT, yesterday was such a wonderful thing to see. To see "the mighty" fall as they did was as good as us sweeping the jests this year.
     
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  15. azfinfanmang

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    To see Tammy Brady repeatedly thrown the ground and pummeled was priceless.
    To see the Randy Moss of old, you know, running his infamous "Jog" route-repeatedly was classic.
    I kept waiting for Billicheat to pull him while they were down so far :lol:
     
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    My husband, who doesn't watch much football, was even laughing at belicheat & tammy. They were actually pouting. Moss looked flat out lathargic to me. Like he had no desire to even be there.
    Wonder who'll get the blame for this loss?:pointlol:
     
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    Pretty sure it was a combination of the field conditions, lack of the need for a snow-blower and the inability to record the Ravens via an illegal camera :up:
     
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  18. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I said after the 2007 season I thought they were done. They were a very old team who's gotten even older.

    And yes, their drafts have been pedestrian, which is why they're starting to crumble. You mentioned the guys that are still left from past drafts, Merriweather is one of them and he looked downright horrible yesterday.

    Also, I haven't heard anyone mention it, but Randy Moss looked like he gave no effort yesterday. His routes (the ones they showed replays of) were pathetic.
     
  19. azfinfanmang

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    I did mention it, with reference to his "Jog" routes :lol:
    You have me on ignore again :whack:
     
  20. MrPaul13

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    See there's the rub,except for a couple of got luckies,they really dont draft very well under Bellicheat.They are very adept at finding guys off of other teams scrap heaps. But drafting nicht so gut
     
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    If one looks at the patrtiots player pro moves, you have to scratch your head and say WTH?

    They have an absolute glut of high picks invested in Secondary players, Merriweather, Sanders, Butler, Wheatley and a couple of other guys they invested #2 or #3 picks into, who now cannot see much playing time.

    Trading Seymour for a #1 was good, however as terrible strategically as they have drafted it is no surprise they have not won a SB since 04, when Dmitroff left they just are not as sharp on the player personnel side of the ledger.

    Rumor has it they may go after Julius Peppers, which they probably should do.

    But still, anyone who watched them knows, a couple of sacks or hits on Brady and he loses interest quickly.
     
  22. MrPaul13

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    Look at how they draft,theyve got a 1st round pick at TE who our TE out performed for the last two years now,theyve got a 1st round pick at RB who our methusela Ricky Williams out preformed,theyve got a 1st round pick at guard for the love of god. These are not 1st round positions
     
  23. azfinfanmang

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    They are first round positions, theuy just haven't picked well in the first round.
    Even Mayo has been "Adequate" but far from spectacular.
    If anybody wants more insight, I suggest going to the "Stats" of this last game at www.sportsline.com.
    Some of the comments by several of their players towards the bottom is interesting.
    Not nearly as cocky or arrogant as in years past.
    Also, a couple of comments in there about Wilfork probably not being there next year.
    That would be an absolute disaster for them.
     
  24. MrPaul13

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    Maybe Tony Gonzalez or Jeremy Shockey,but BENJAMIN WATSON?
     
  25. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Nah nah nah nah; hey hey; good bye....
     
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  26. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    While I say yes they arent who they were....they arent done.....they have 3--2nd round picks on top of their 1st this year.....4 picks in the top 60 goes a long way in rebuilding your defense...
     
  27. xphinfanx

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    You stole my line.

    Moss has been around for a long time now. Multi years on three different teams i think his time is getting thin in NFL.

    And GARDENHEAD is right on Welker he is not jumping back in at full speed by no means. His cuts may never be the same.

    No Ginn for Brady! Last thing we need is for Brady to show us Ginn coulda been good.
     
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    ahh, a walk down memory lane...
     
  29. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    And you joined this site just to comment on this?

    Wow...sad.
     
  30. MarinePhinFan

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    Creating an alt ID so you can talk crap on an anonymous chat forum is the epitome of cowardness.
     
  31. BicketyBam

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    Honestly, what we wrote wasn't that bad. Resurecting an 11 month old thread is pretty weaksauce, but it's not like he went off. NE fans can talk smack right now.
     
  32. GARDENHEAD

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    Hahahaaha. I admit it, I'm a dope!!!! New England is really good. They just crushed a horribly overrated jets team. Great teams stomp lesser opponents.

    However, I'll eat my crow when/if they can beat Baltimore or Pittsburgh in the playoffs.
     
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  33. BicketyBam

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    Because clobbering Pit and beating Bal in the regular season isn't good enough....
     
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  34. GARDENHEAD

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    Yes.
     
  35. Muck

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    Honestly, beating Baltimore, Pittsburgh and NYJ -- the latter two in convincing fashion -- is plenty good enough for me.

    Whether or not they lose in the playoffs is irrelevant to me. That's a 1-off and anything can happen. Assuming they stay the course, if any of those three teams knocks them off in the playoffs, it's an upset IMO. Not the other way around.

    They are the best team in the league right now.
     
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    This preseason I would have totally agreed with you, bud. Who knew??
     
  38. anditsgood

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    i guess winning in the regular season wasnt enough

    now what happens if they dont face each other in da playoffs

    :)
     
  39. Roman529

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    There is no team in the NFL that is dominant and unbeatable. I still remember how Peyton Hillis dragged the Pat's defenders around a couple weeks ago, but we totally shut down Hillis but somehow found a way to lose. Things change greatly from week to week.
     
  40. adamprez2003

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    i dont see the patriots making it through the playoffs to reach the super bowl. i think their defense is too young.
     

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