News on Carey and Pennington

Thanks. I figured they would at least try and resign Carey.

Sounds like Penny knows what's up and isn't too concerned; that's good for us

 

Resigning Vern Carey would be huge for us, it would free up picks.

I'd love to go CB at #25..

 

Glad to hear that they want Carey back, it makes our FA and draft needs a little bit clearer.

 

The thing about Carey though, he had his worst season since he was a rookie last season...but he still was "good' but not nearly the All Pro at Rt he was in 2006.

 

Well every player is going to have a down year, and some of that can be explained by the many injuries and journeyman that he had to work alongside.

 

IMO, Vern put on too much weight last year, it messed up his balance and mobility.

I'm beginning to wonder about Channing Crowder leaving, whether that is a good idea or not, what is typically said about Crowder is "all he does is make tackles'...it reminds me of Buddy Ryan cutting Chris Carter with ""all he does is catch touchdowns"...A ILB's job is to make tackles..

 

I disagree, Long played his best while he had turnstiles next to him

 

Nah, mostly Crowder just lags behind plays after getting beat..

Re-signing Carey is a HUGE must IMO!!!

 

Yea same here. I dont see the point of leting Veernon Carey go and then drafting someone. I think he is good and we graft some one to fill in his spot that might not be as good. I would rather go after a bigger need like helping out the defensive back field.

 

Once in a while you expect him to cause a fumble or create a big play or a key sack 3 forced fumbles and 1.5 sacks dont cut it

 

No one in the NFL makes tackles 5 yards down the field better then Channing Crowder...

As for forcing fumbles or int's, Channing has played on some really bad Dolphins teams, the opportunities for such plays were few and far between for him to make those plays.

 

Agreed, why create another hole of the team by letting him walk?
Keep him here and draft a young T to develop

 

At #25 in this draft, there are some really good, potentially 'lock down" type Corner Backs...I'd prefer to have one and take one of the OLB picks at #44..

If Ireland and Tuna and Gaines have another good draft, we could rebuild our Secondary and half our Linebacking corps in this draft and free agency period.

 

Im a bit surprised, but at the same time im not.... Im surprised if we re-sign him to a big deal... IMO, he isnt worth it. He just wasnt good enough this year. However, if we can sign him, to a deal thats good for the team/cap... im all for it...he's no slouch thats for sure. okay, yeah, he had a bad year, but he's still a good player. I just dont think he's worth, what i feel he's going to ask for, which is alot. If we can get him signed to a good deal, that compensates him, but is a huge plus to the team financially and cap wise... im all for it. At least then we can spend a pick elsewhere.

 

Just to compare Carey with Runyan (I'm doing an eagles sheet like I did for the phins) Carey gave up 47 yards and Runyan gave up 63 yards. They both played in the same amount of games and had backups playing the RG position next to them.

Just to point it out there. I think Carey wanting big money isn't as big a deal as Crowder wanting big money.

 

Please resign Crowder and Bell and Goodman as well.

Did anyone else notice all the points we gave up to the Chiefs while Crowder was out? The guy isnt a superstar, but put the right player next to him and he will be very good for us and our scheme. Letting him go would be a waste unless hes going for a contract way out of his scope, but seeing the lack of interest by anyone in Briggs last year ... whos paying?
Bell and Goodman were our best 1-2 punch in the secondary last year, and while we need to add youth and depth, losing both of thse guys would be a step back for sure.

 

i really hope we resign Carey. and i am unsure if i want Pennington to sign a contract extension. first off, let him think and let him play it out. also, he is aging and while he was our "savior" this year, he isn't going to be with the Fins for another decade. we have Henne, who shouldn't be on the bench much longer. 2 full seasons of playing behind a veteran is good enough. he will open up our offense much more, and i feel that Henne is going to be our future. no sense in having to wait longer.

 

He's worth a good contract, but not top 5 Tackle money in my opinion. He isn't bad either so the contract should be a good amount.

He's a great community guy from the area, and it would be nice to have the RT spot figured out for a while.

Plus it does help us when looking at draft needs come April.

 

Really padre, a corner ehh, i disagree brother, i want a big nasty olineman or bad *** linebacker.

Also, if vontae, sean smith, and jenkins are off the board, which is pretty likely, who do you want at the 25th.,,who presents that value?

 

Alphonso Smith from Wake Forest.

If we let Goodie leave, we will need two Cb's...I'd make the other one Darius Butler.

Reagan is the defensive back afficianado, I merely think in terms of strategy.

 

we need to get ronnie an extion before Pennington

 

I love Alphonso Smith, I am concerned that he won't even be on our radar because of his size though.

Dare I say I like him more than Sean Smith (though Sean may be 2nd).

 

I'm not sure if they have the same size/speed benchmarks for Db's that they have for Linebackers and Dlinemen Stitches, but there are 4 or 5 Cb's who could really help us in this draft.

The problem I see for Sean Smith is he is does not seem to be the type of Cb who can cover the 5'10 slot receivers like Welker or Washington when the Jets split him out.

S. Smith is a large Db...a guy like Butler could do it, and you cannot coach speed...there is no substitute for it.

 

Huge fan of Alphonso Smith. I've been warming up to him more and more.

 

Ask yourselves if you could see Smith (either one) sticking with Wes Welker or Leon Washington or Dustin Keller on 3rd and 4 and then you will have the Cb we need this year in the draft..in my view anyway.

 

Could I see Alphonso Smith sticking with those guys? Yes. Could I see Sean Smith sticking with those guys? Possibly. Do I think he has the long speed? Yes because I've seen it. I don't think we would see Welker being covered by these two constantly anyways so I don't understand the argument.

 

We need a #3 Cb, last year because our #3 play was poor, we had to move Will Allen inside to cover the slot receiver...meaning Jones or Thomas was covering on the outside.

We need a Cb who can play the #3 role, and has the speed to cover the slot Wr and also stick with a Te if they move out.

And "yes" I can see either one of those guys having that job, in fact, that would be the perfect training ground for either one of them.-

Recall, when teams went 3 or 4 wide, we had major league problems trying to deal with that formation, even KC lighting us up with a Juco spread offense..we need some help in the Defensive Backfield..badly.

 

For example. we draft Sean Smith and we play New England. Why match him up against Wes Welker when he has good height and ball skills to matchup with Randy Moss? I know your going to say he's a rookie and all that but Smith's athletic ability matches up well with Randy Moss. Slide Goodman or Will Allen, who has the footspeed, to cover Wes Welker and let the remaining guy cover the remaining wide receiver.

 

Without Smith, we could never make that move Alen, and THAT is why I'm advocating so strongly for a Cb at #25, the road to winning the AFC East runs through Foxboro and we need some help getting there.

And keep in mind Allen and Goodman are 30 or older, when Cb's run out of gas, it tends to happen quickly.

 

So what are you arguing my point for if you agree with it?

 

Because you've yet to give up on Nicks or English at #25....

Resistance...is futile..




And we need two Db's...one to play #3, the other to develop.

 

Absolutely not giving up. They both solve needs. Sean Smith is my top cornerback at the moment and I like Nicks & English a lot as well. I'd take either of the three on this team.

Get a CB this year and draft Syd'Quan Thompson next year. You have your two guys.

 

What of the "it takes a Wr three years to develop" stuff?

I'd take Smith at #25 and a lesser prospect like Kevin Barnes in round 4 if he is there...or one of those obscure Mtn West players they seem to really like.

 

What about it? I think Nicks is one of the wide receivers who could make an immediate impact on this team. I don't think he's necessarily going to be a thousand yard receiver in his rookie year but I think he would help this team.

That's fine. Make sure Barnes is healthy. I was merely suggesting a guy who could be looked at.

 

A CB can play from Day One and contribute in nickel and dime packages.

And if I had a nickel for every "this guy is different" line of thought I could re-up for 10 years..

Smith at #25 an OLB/DE at #44 and a Safety at #57...CB (Barnes) at #97...

We have so many needs that one draft is not going to get the job done, that is why we signed C. Wake and I'm sure we will find some other non regular type players...this season could be the last one where Saban's players are in key roles.

 

And Hakeem Nicks can contribute in the slot.

Who said "this guy is different"?

 

Isn't D Bess our natural slot Wr?

That would be you my man..more or less, you did mention that you thought he could contribute his rookie season but not be a 1,000 yd receiver...

We took Ginn at #9 and he did not sniff 1,000 receiving yards, it generally does take a couple of years for a Wr to develop, Colston and Bowe are soft exceptions to that rule.

 

Yes.

Show me where I exactly said "this guy is different."

Ginn was very raw coming out, comparing him to Hakeem Nicks whose a very good route runner and does a good job of creating separation using his upper body is not a good comparison IMO.

Yes it does. Its not like I said he was going to come in here and be Randy Moss. I said he would contribute to the team.

 

I'd compare Nicks to Bowe before Ginn.