Good to see the media acknowledging the organization for moving in the *right* direction. Praise instead of criticism.
Read more in the full article: http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/08/13/new-dolphins-coach-joe-philbin-emerges-as-the-big-winner-in-the-ill-fated-ochocinco-error/?module=HP11_hot_topics
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i liked everything except for when they said the dolphins will probably be very bad this year. lol.
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Sometimes it's good to hear the world outside of Miami's perspective. But sometimes it sucks, just like Chad Henne.pennphinfan likes this. -
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Well, look at it this way, the franchise put up with Marshall, who was doing the same stuff Johnson did, just over a longer period of time, despite all of the talent it still did not help us win all that many ballgames anyway.
As for being awful, it is possible, we have a lot of questions and a front loaded schedule, again, our season pretty much boils down to the first month of the season which is one of the reasons why I'm not in favor of starting Tannehill in gm #1 as I'm utterly tired of our season being over by November.
That is to much to ask of fans imo.Bpk likes this. -
I agree. I dont think we'll be "very bad" as the article states, but I dont think we're going to be very great either. I'd say were probably a 7-9 or 8-8 team again this year while everyone adapts to the new systems, and we find the right personell. We'll see though I guess. I just dont have high expectations, and I'm ok with that since its a whole regime change again, I understand that... but I just don't think were going to be as bad as everyone says we are.
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As for the offense, what we are heading for is a 20 yd box around the LoS, and there is no Wildcat to save our asses this yr, this is why our season may look quite bleak by November. -
I don't think the Dolphins are better off for having signed Chad Johnson. Ian Rapaport himself said it would be ok as long as you "don’t stunt the growth of younger players by giving him a ton of reps, etc"...well to my knowledge Chad Johnson has been claiming a full course of 1st team reps from the start so yeah he has been taking reps away from younger guys.
Cutting Chad does send a strong message about what will be tolerated and what won't, and I like that. But, right now a big faction of your most important players don't like that message. And it remains to be seen to me whether Philbin was able to handle the difficult situations Chad Johnson presented with enough aplomb to get those veterans to accept his hard message. Like I said before a lot of players may look at those interactions on Hard Knocks and his chat with Dansby where he never brought up criticism for Dansby's radio appearance but then later blasted him for it to the media, and they might not be very impressed. Those were difficult situations, some of which may have had no truly ideal way handling, brought on by the presence of a player as difficult to handle as Chad Johnson.
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However, this is the first year of "rebuilding" where I am content with a meteocre season. New Coach. Franchise-able QB. Solid RB. Just need to put the pieces together.Bpk likes this. -
I don't know why we should consider Philbin a winner, because his hand pretty clearly got forced. He pretty much had to take a hard line on Johnson or else risk being labeled any number of unflattering things, fair or not.
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My bigger concern is, why did we sign Chad in the first place? Was this a Ross move to drive ticket sales? Or did Philbin really think he could reform this clown while trying to rebuild the team?
If suspect this more a PR move and that Philbin was gifted the opportunity to cut him before more damage was done.. The entire season of Hard Knocks would have focused on Chad and his antics...Now the team (and HBO) can focus on rebuilding this team and supporting our rookie coach.
We don't need a diva WR distraction during this process. It's not like we are anywhere near a playoff caliber team this year, with or without Ocho Headbutt / -
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I agree with those saying it's pretty early to call Philbin a winner in this situation. It remains to be seen if there will be any long-term implications on the locker room from all this.
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If a guy is just an a-hole then he's relatively easy to handle. You keep the leash short and the carrot right in front of his nose. Everyone in the locker room recognizes that they're a-holes so you never have a locker room problem if you treat them poorly. The ones that are just a-holes but REALLY talented, that gets to be trouble, see Santonio Holmes. But Chad isn't a Santonio Holmes from a talent perspective. Yet if he weren't talented at all, again that makes things pretty easy. First sign of trouble, he's gone. Those guys tend not to have the confidence level to be trouble anyway, and they never get locker room backing because the locker room respects talent probably most of all even more than hard work.
Chad Johnson is one of the most difficult players in the NFL to handle because he's talented, respected, a good person AND an a-hole that crosses too many lines. Not something I would have saddled a 1st time Head Coach with, especially since we're already taking on the challenge of Hard Knocks. -
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Here's the other thing: Chad has some physical talent, but he hadn't shown enough in the preseason to warrant maintaining his growing radioactivity. Roberto Wallace has had more on-the-field value to the team to this point. You can only put up with so much whilst waiting for things to get better, IMO.
One final point. I'm a little skeptical of the idea that players had grown so attached to Chad as a teammate in 60+ days that they were mourning his loss on the locker room. I think this is more a defensive reaction to the general idea of a short leash.Larry Little and Fin D like this. -
Again, this is pure conjecture on my part, but from everything I have seen, a personality like Johnson is the worst type of fit for Philbin and this rebuilding process. Philbin needs to come in and take control of the team. He is instituting a brand new offense, a new D, and is facing uncertainty at the QB / RB/ WR position.
Chad's predictable and idiotic outcome may work in Philbin's favor, long term.
1) It send a clear message to the non football people such as Ross that you better let me handle my business and build my team on merit, not ticket sales.
2) It shows authority and decisive action.
3) It exposes malcontents like Dansby and gives the coaching staff a clear idea of who can potentially create locker room issues.
4) It shoots a sense of urgency down the spine of guys like Vontane Davis that their starting jobs are in jeopardy if they don't get with the program.
5) It allows the coaching staff to re-educate those problem players or cut their losses quicker.
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I believe Philbin's words on the issue. There is no reason to think Philbin was lying here.
Does that sound like someone that was sold on Chad Johnson? Sounds more like Philbin was treating Chad like a child, knowing full well that Chad would eventually screw up. After watching Chad disrespect the organization during his press conference, walk in to a staff only meeting and just clown around, do you really think Chad impressed Philbin so much that we offered him a shot during a rebuild? Especially with HBO filming camp? With Chad's future wife about to cash in on a reality TV program that could get free exposure on HBO Hard Knocks? Sounds like a Ross PR move, not a sound coaching / Ireland decision.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...-philbin-says-chad-johnson-fit-miami-dolphins
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The fact that his statement was written out for him on a piece of paper showed everything, as it was obvious the Dolphins' compliance people had to check through the statement and make sure all necessary points were covered in order to prevent a grievance. In Joe's mind I think he had no problem with saying those words because he knows that the small margin for error had a lot to do with Chad's past and also his epic fail press conference. But if not for compliance I don't think that statement would have read the way it did.Bumrush likes this. -
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I presumed the contract allowed for quick and easy dismissal, but this gives us a better perspective in to the legal ramifications.. Although I stand by my assertion that it was only a matter of time for Chad and that this could be a blessing in disguise.RGF likes this. -
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Short term damage and bad PR - Yes
Long term team unity and coaching perspective = Win
Philbin wins. This was his first issue and he dealt with it swiftly, and in the process found out a little more about some of the "veterans" on this team. That is a win if you ask me.
I am also on the assumption that this season is a wash. If we were aiming for the AFC East or had a true playoff caliber team, I would tend to agree with your perspective more.
Let's not assume that Philbin did what everyone else would have done. Do you think Cam Cameron would have stood up to Dansby? He may not have had the balls to release Chad in the first place... -
The F Bomb press conference and Hard Knocks coverage of it gives the Dolphins pretty good cover on this one, imo. Even crashing the coaches meeting, while harmless, could be too
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He was asked if behavior could affect Chad's job , and he said yes , and then it did swiftly , but he met with Chad before he made the decision.
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The message was sent loud and clear to Dansby when Philbin stated that disagreements should stay in the locker room. If anything, this episode helped reinforce that idea.
I see Chad as an irrelevant clown with no long term commitment to the team or our future plans. A possible (best case scenario) stopgap with our weakened WR corp. But long term? These actions helped Philbin send a message with little collateral damage. -
And no I don't think there's anything loud and clear about saying something to the press in a press conference Karlos Dansby will probably not even hear. Philbin should have told Dansby directly during that chat that he expects those criticisms to be kept in-house. But according to Dansby, he didn't.
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