NFL.com's Greg Rosenthall has RT17 ranked #25 QB in NFL

Now that we understand WRs can affect YPA, can you guys understand oline can affect it to?

 

Bud, you are wasting your time. It's a lost cause.


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I have no illusions that I'll change their minds. I argue with them so other people hear the other side of the story. Their narrative shouldn't go unchallenged, else we'll become Finheaven.

 

Tanny has never had a high ypa through college and NFL and were talking about how everything around him is affecting his ypa?

The excuse list is getting longer and longer.

By next year there will be no stat anyone can use to measure Tannehill. It's ridiculous.

 

Yeah ok. A bad oline hurting Tanny's play is a brand spanking new "excuse".

Sigh.

 

I expanded that post'

 

Keep fighting the good fight, brother!

 

Brady didn't get over 7.9 YPA in college or the pros, until he got Randy Moss. Just stop.

 

You need to follow along. Someone said using ypa to rank Tanny is folly because it's a "team stat."

That is the new excuse.

I challenge anyone to find a stat that is not affected by anyone else on the field. Just ONE stat.

So by that token, no stat can ever be used to measure any player on the field.

Oh you can't use field goal percentage to measure a kicker now. Did you hear?

Yeah because it depends on the offense and how close they get. You need Ray Finkle to ensure laces are out. Special Teams on how well they block.

 

Our WRs are not to blame. If anything they've bloated his YPA and he still screwed up. Freaking 15 YPA game, mostly YAC, and he's still 23rd. Freaking ridiculous.


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You need to follow along. I don't care what someone else said.

I'm specifically talking about weighting the stat if you're going to use it. So you know, go away.

 

No stop. You don't get to call me a liar over crap you don't understand. Then gloss over it. That's horse****.

 

Through 2 years of college, 4 years in the pros, multiple personnel, receivers, coaches, Tanny has the same YPA.

Earlier this year he was doing better but now it's fallen again.

 

You're dishonest. You knew what you were doing highlighting two phrases making it seem I was contradicting myself.


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So did Brady.....until his 8th year.

 

Then why the hell did you jump in my post when I was referring to something else? I didn't quote you. You took umbrage at what I said thinking it was you, and now I tell you it wasn't you, you say you don't care what I was referring to.

This is the height of absurdity lol!

 

Yeah man, the WRs are to blame. What don't you get about that?


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Because you made a false claim. Don't make stupid claims, and there won't be a problem.

No one in here is saying anything new. We've always maintained bad olines, bad ocs, abandoned running game, not being allowed to audible and having horrible receivers till last year have seriously hindered Tannehill. None of those are new or excuses let alone new excuses.

 

LOL, why don't you just stop, 7.9, why not put the standard even higher, that's absolutely a ridiculous statement.

Nice attempt at readjusting your comment, you made your point look even worse.

 

Get the heck out man you're losing it. I quoted the post I disagreed with. The claim is we can't use ypa to measure or rank QBs because it's a team stat.

I thought you would chill after your little vacation but you're being ridiculous here.

 

Not true, unbelievable you would try to do this when the stats are so easy to look up, his 4th year as a starter his YPA went up to 7.8, and he's avg 7.6 since then.

 

Lmao 7.8 ypa in 2004 and 2005. So let's set the bar at 7.9.

 

Because anything under 8 would be considered "not high". It wouldn't have mattered what number I used.

 

Here's why:

 

And his original comment, prior to that readjustment, was that Brady had the sane YPA until Moss got there, so that's just him scrambling to keep up with his own BS.

 

You didn't quote anyone when you said this:

Which the first of your posts I responded too.

 

What?

 

^^^^ This nonsene again about challenging narratives as some kind of perceived necessity? smdh. Uhhhh no, it's about your ego.

This place is in no danger of ever becoming Finheaven. You just take this stuff waaaaaaaaay too seriously man. Take a break already.

 

Of course you disagree.

 

I'm not even talking about the content on either side of the argument.

Who cares about controlling narratives on an anonymous internet forum? Of all the things in life to concern yourself with.

 

Wow. Anything under 8 is "not high"? Says who? Do you understand how good an average of 7.6 is?


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Please explain why my caring is stupid, but you caring that I care isn't stupid......

 

I have trouble believing you ever admit you're wrong except maybe if you post the wrong stat by mistake.


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It will be good until Tannehill get's it, then it will be meh. Its the story of his career and his detractors.

He'll be good if he improves his TD to Int ratio. He does that, then: He's meh, he needs to connect more deep balls. He does that, then: He's meh he needs to improve his YPA. Once he does that, it will be he's meh until he cures cancer.

All the while, I hear QBs are the BIGGEST MOST IMPORTANT factor in winning and when we win, it was in spite of Tanny but if we lose because the defense allows 30+ pts, that's an excuse to let Tanny off the hook.

It never ends. You guys just change the goalposts all the damn time then call people who actually disagree with you liars.

 

Nope. The post you quoted here was quoting my post saying Tanny has had the same YPA through college and the pros. You said Brady was the same until his 8th year. Not true. His Ypa jumped in 2004 and 2005.

Here is the exact post.

http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...25-QB-in-NFL&p=2725532&viewfull=1#post2725532

So tom Brady had the exact same ypa until his 8th year in the pros?

Wrong.

 

I don't care. My record is clear and on this site for anyone to look up. You're wrong about me like you're wrong about most of the other crap spew here.

 

It'll be good if it's enough to rank you at least in the top half of the NFL. Tannehill hasn't even broken 22nd for a season.

His TD to INT is not good either... Alex Smith, Brian Hoyer and Ryan Fitzpatrick have better ratios. Deep balls, yeah, but still a really low YPA, which is what matters overall.

His best YPA was with worse WRs. Now he's got better WRs and he was ranked 28th last season. This season he's at 23rd even with great performances by the WRs. It's him.


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So, before the Moss year, he averaged a 7.0 and in college he averaged a 7.5, and that means I'm wrong somehow about those being more or less the same? (I didn't count his first 2 years in college and his 1 st in the NFL)

 

Right... You don't care but you're making a big deal about some sort of narrative.


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