NFL.com's Greg Rosenthall has RT17 ranked #25 QB in NFL

So you were wrong on many levels, lol, and comparing Tanne to someone who actually has a good YPA REALLY helped your argument.

 

Playing QB is more like pitching or goaltending, no?

 

If we're going to blame the WRs and coaches for Tannehill's YPA, why not blame our opponents' defenses too? Why not say other QBs' opponents pass defenses are worse?


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Laugh...and yet all of that actually happened.

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

What was I wrong about?

Brady's average was 7.0 (before Moss). That's not vastly different than Tannehill right now and it proves how much a non QB can change YPA, which was my point.

 

What was the avg YPA then vs now?

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I dunno, why?

 

A 52 yard FG is very different from a 25 yarder, no? A 40 yard FG in Denver or Detroit differs from a 40 yard FG in Pittsburgh or Cleveland, no? Wind, rain, temperature, venue, snap, hold, blocking, all factors not under the kickers control.

The puzzling part is that you're no doubt aware of all this and yet you still made the comment above.

 

Who's blaming the WRs? That's a silly statement. The point is that YPA, like all stats, are dependent on others, both the team and the opponent. If you're saying Tannehill has a low YPA, cool. But to say he's not a good QB and use YPA as evidence then I object, calls for speculation.

At the end of the day you'll have to study the tape to get an accurate picture on how the QB is playing. Stats will never tell more than a small part of the story.

 

High YAC + low YPA = lots of short passes being thrown. That's it. The rest you seem to have made up in your head. Now if you want to show the film of Tannehill habitually failing to see or hit open guys downfield then, and only then, does your point have any validity to it.

 

One season with the worst WR Corp I've ever seen, another year with one of the the worst OL. He did OK for what he had to work with, inexperienced QB included. Yet he's seen as a horrible OC.

 

Name one QB that's consistently ranked in the twenties for YPA season after season that's any good.


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Work at a family business and I'm taking your daughter out tomorrow for a boat ride.

Then we're gonna exercise together later.

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Yeah, I have to show the film we've all seen to explain why he's consistently ranked in the bottom of the league in terms of YPA.


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I didn't find it with a quick search but I do know TB ranked 10th, and then 6th, in YPA those two years, 2004 and 2005.

2004 David Givens and Deion Branch were the top receivers.

 

Well, I've seen film breakdown that shows like 2/3rds of our receivers running routes short of the sticks and/or in the same quadrant of the field. I have yet to see shots of the entire field, showing wide open receivers downfield that Tannehill simply refues to throw to.

I guess I opened the ypa can of worms by referencing Carr's 5ypa last season. Now, this season he has a great oline, right? His ypa is up. Is that merely coincidental?

 

Much was made last year of Lazor reducing the field, all but eliminating deep passes and Tanny had his best games. this year his deep passing looks much improved. But Tanny has definitely missed open receivers settling for safer check downs. He knows he's missed them they review this stuff.

As for Carr, no he did not get a better oline. His oline was good last year. His YPA went up because he got better, got better coaching, got better receivers. Seriously, have you watched any of Carr this year? Watch any of his games?

 

My mistake, I took you for a guy who watches broadcast footage only. What tape have you seen on Tannehill recently?

 

This shows average passing stats (including Y/A) across the years:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm

Average Y/A was 6.9 from 2006-2008 and has incrementally increased to 7.3 this year since then. Here are Brady's stats for reference:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm

 

You don't have to. For 2014.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/miamis-gamble-what-does-tannehills-new-contract-mean/


Implications are obvious. Deeper passes, less completion percentage, low ypa.

Shorter passes, higher completion percentages, low ypa again.

 

So in 2004 and 2005 when the average ypa was 7.1 and 6.8, Brady was 7.8. 2001 he was slightly above, 2002 he was way below, 2003 he was slightly above again.

Tanny has been below the league average every year.

 

WADR Bro, what is your point, that Brady is a better QB than Tannehill?

It's like saying Jarvis Landry sucks, look at his YPC compared to Moss and Rice. Sure, but to what end, other than gratuitously bashing the guy.

 

As soon as you guys name one that has thrived with a bad oline, OC, running game and can't audible. We've been asking waaaay longer.

 

Good luck w that Fin, I'm just waiting to hear something other than he sucks, look at his team related stats!

He makes bad protection calls, doesn't anticipate the blitz, bad press snap reads, can't decipher cover 2 vs quarters, shaky footwork, anything of substance will do at this point.

I like Tannehill but I can point to more flaws in his game than the people who claim he sucks.

 

Those things have been mentioned quite a bit.

 

I thought the center was responsible for many of the protection calls? I mean, just recently, we've seen Tannehill call out blitzers, and seen them come through untouched.

I haven't seen the cover 2 vs quarters argument before.

 

Yeah, for total QBR. Just by the old school QB rating, he's 22nd. Without the help of receiver stats, he's 31st.

 

You told DJ that 20th would be a stretch...and I showed you that EVERY MAJOR SPORTING ORGANIZATION had him ranked between 22nd and 31st. And just because you don't agree with every expert on Earth, that doesn't mean that others can't have that belief.

That's the definition of a conversation my friend.

 

No offense but when, where and by who?

 

Do you seriously think those guys are experts? Expert journalists maybe. Dose of reality, NOBODY has the time to properly evaluate every QB and rank them accordingly.

 

Rivers and Mariota have worse supporting casts. Both perform at a higher level.


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Please tell us which Dolphins receiver is making Tannehill look better than he is?

 

You've ignored all of our arguments we've ever had if that's what you believe.


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What are you basing this on?

 

Their passer ratings are high, their rosters are weak and they're tied for the worst record in the NFL.


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Ok. Give me your assessment of why Tannehill sucks and how you came to that conclusion.

 

I've done this many times before. Check my replies. Others have seen it. Why are you so confident you know more if you don't even remember what's been said?


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Having worse records is a sign that those teams have better QBs?

I don't follow.

 

I'd be happy to but please provide a link to the posts. Too many Tannehill relayed posts for me to be going on a treasure hunt. OT you can just give a quick summary.