this is trouble, adam schefter on facebook already came out and said this penalty will be much more harder than the one the patriots got for the spy gate, the pats lost their first rounder

 

brett favre was also considered a target

 

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While I agree this is a player safety issue and should be dealt. However I am confused by how this hurts the integrity of the game.

How does this hurt the integrity of the game?

 

You play to win the game. You don't play to hurt a player.

 

Hurting players help you win games.

 

You shouldn't be rewarded for it.

 

I agree, you shouldn't. It is dangerous.

However even if it isn't money, the players are rewarded with praise for it. If the hit is legal, it doesn't take away from the integrity of the game.

There are players in the Hall of Fame that are famous for trying to hurt players on purpose.

 

I think it hurts the integrity of the game because the coaches are advocating it by rewarding players with money.

 

I guess I find that as a stretch. Might as well say the game had no integrity until the 80s.

 

If the coaches were bribing the players to hurt certain players with money in the 80s, I agree.

 

You missed the word, "until"

 

My mistake. I read that as, had no integrity in the 80s.

 

This is not a surprise IMO. It happens more than people think.

 

To be honest I think it happens almost every game.

 

I don't see the big deal, these guys are already paid to be somewhat violent.


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It's a big deal because you're intentionally harming an individual simply because of cash, which is already a violation of the salary cap. Like I said, not surprised but doesn't make it right either.

 

I hope I am not coming across as not thinking it is a big deal. I think it is a big deal and the fact that coaches were a part of it is pretty bad. The Saints should be punished and in my opinion punished big.

Saying that, I disagree with the idea that it hurts the integrity of the game

 

I agree with you that it doesn't hurt the integrity, not to me at least. I tend to think it only hurts the integrity of the game to those who think the game is all fair and dandelions.

 

It doesn't really matter what the fans think, its obviously against the rules and with the league facing lawsuits from ex players over concussions, etc, its a bad time to get caught doing this. I'm sure this happens all the time but the Saints got caught and they are probably going to be facing suspensions and loss of draft picks.

 

It does hurt the integrity of the game. What is integrity?

Adherence to moral and ethical principles. Intentionally trying to hurt someone is not moral. Or ethical. Getting hurt is part of the game. Intentionally trying to hurt someone, isn't.

The game is, trying to score when you have the ball, trying to prevent the other team from scoring when they have the ball. Anything other than that, hurts the integrity.

This absolutely hurts the integrity of the game.

 

And Belicheat also was fined a half millon...not that it mattered much as the Pats then gave him a $2 million raise. Think suspensions of games are coming for Williams in additon to fine. Players get suspened one game for one bad hit, how many games for a coaches role in bounties admitted to by a coach? Half a season at least. As I expect the Commish is going to be looking to make an example of both Williams and Saints.

 

The money is pooled by the players. Which expect many other teamates in the league do as incentives and rewards for interceptions, sacks, etc which is fine. But putting a bounty to take another player out of the game crosses the line big time. Especially if a coach is involved.

 

I don't agree with cheap shots, but have no problem with a payment system that pays for hits or creating turnovers if they aren't dirty.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0304-bowen-nfl--20120304,0,4015992.column

 

Good read from Bowen.

Apparently Greg ran it in Buffalo too. Not surprised.

 

This is the norm, or was, that was before the NFL became soft.

 

I don't think much has changed.

 

Lambert said they should put skirts on Qb's well over 2 decades ago, things have gotten softer since then.

The answer to this is for opponents to then do the same to the Williams' coached teams' players, that is how this was handled, when his guys were being knocked out of games, the actual consequences became apparent, that was the physicality of the NFL..at one time..now not at all, they cry like bullied children to officials which does not stop this behavior.

But because the NFL no longer really runs on an eye for an eye basis when it comes to cheap shots, we instead have hand wringing. FWIW the yr the Saints won the SB and they shellacked the patriots in new orleans, it was fairly obvious to me what they were doing, Sharper hit Moss on his knee early in the game and that was pretty much it for Moss, he lost all interest.

 

This will lead to even more referees with itchy flag fingers.

 

Playing I was taught you hit to knock someone out of the game. Not injure them badly or give them a concussion, but just knock the living crap out of them.

 

I do believe that players do try to injure other players-it may not be good sportsmanship but it happens on different levels not just with the NFL.I have seen it happen in Pee Wee football,high school,and it surely happens in college and pro.Now the bounty thing just brings it to a new level and should not go unpunished.If it happened in NO it could happen on other teams as well.

 

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:yawn: as another poster said this is more than likely a normal behavior in the league. How do you try to legislate it out? Ban coaches? Another coach will replace them, or the players will pony up the dough on their own, and run it that way.

I still say this isn't a big deal......I'll save the outrage for when a team tries to get a competitive advantage such as actual cheating, like filming hand sign...oh wait, probably still happens....


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Well the thing is that with the brain injury concerns that have come up in recent years these issues may end up at a level way above the commissioner's office. A lot of people believe that it's only a matter of time before a player dies on the field. When that happens I think these issues could find their way to Capitol Hill. We all now that hitting is part of football and all of that but this isn't the 70s or 80s anymore. Athletes are faster and stronger than they have ever been. And they are getting faster and stronger as the years pass. The damage they are capable of doing with a hit is becoming more devastating as the years pass. I know a lot of people won't like the idea of changing the culture of football a little but it's probably going to have to be done.

 

What there's no pixie dust in football. Jesus, way to just burst my bubble.

 

Give 'em snot bubbles. Thats the game. Being physically reckless and violent is what you're supposed to be, but I never wanted to cause someone to stop playing etc, although physically imposing yourself on someone is rewarding. That might sound a bit nutso, but to me at least I wanted to impose my will on my opponent. Have him know that I could take his but he couldn't take mine.

 

Don't even know where to start with this.....here goes....is there a risk for catastrophic injury in football? Of course there is. Will legislating where players hit other players help prevent that? Probably not, but let's throw crap at a wall and see what sticks, we have to look proactive, don't look at the equipment though, as we have no standard for helmets. The players know there is a risk that they get KTFO on any given play, but yet they still play. I could hit you at the waist at a medium rate of speed and still jack you up pretty good.

A NFL player has died on the field, but it wasn't from a hit it was from a heart attack.


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