NFL.com: Grimes Unlikely to be Tagged

Cant let him leave, if they do the Secondary is as much a problem as the OL if not more.....

Factoring in Clemons leaving too...

"finyank13 wrote:

Cant let him leave, if they do the Secondary is as much a problem as the OL if not more.....

Factoring in Clemons leaving too...

If he leaves we have NOTHING left. Jamar Taylor, Wilson, Jones.

"MIASportsFan wrote:

If he leaves we have NOTHING left. Jamar Taylor, Wilson, Jones.

More or less, do thin N Carroll should be retained as he showed a lot of improvement he is more of a #2 type of Cb not a lock down type.

This offseason is the Curse of the Ginger time

I'd be okay with letting Grimes walk. There's ample opportunity in free agency to get some quality players. Sam Shields, Tarell Brown, Aqib Talib, re-sign Nolan Carroll, etc.

"padre31 wrote:

More or less, do thin N Carroll should be retained as he showed a lot of improvement he is more of a #2 type of Cb not a lock down type.

This offseason is the Curse of the Ginger time

Well put.

Hopefully they lock him up to a mutually beneficial deal, he was super solid. Impress me Hickey get it done.

Why would anyone play for Miami if they don't have to?

Under contract with no other choice, Miami offers great money, other then that, I wouldn't blame anyone for leaving.

The deal will get done if we have the right people in place knowing what is necessary.

"bigbry wrote:

Why would anyone play for Miami if they don't have to?

Under contract with no other choice, Miami offers great money, other then that, I wouldn't blame anyone for leaving.

I wouldn't blame Grimes, he has to do what's best for him. Hickey just has to have a plan in place so if he leaves our best CB options aren't resigning Caroll with Jamar Taylor and Will Davis.

In my opinion at his age the tag makes no sense. You don't want to make a deal next year where hes another year older snd less effective at the end.

You either do it now or use the money on players you intend to be here a while

Can't let a great player like him go.

Dolphins might not want to franchise tag him, but if they don't reach a long term deal with him here shortly, you can bet your ass they WILL tag him. This is just contract negotiation talk, where both sides are saying they don't want to do one thing .

For the amount the tag would cost us for Grimes we could sign a 26 year old Sam Shields and a guard.

sign Shields, sign Carroll, we all saw the improvement he made this year, he was 4th best as far as the percentage of passes thrown on him being completed, 9th worst QB rating when throwing to his guy. And then draft another corner.

also one thing to keep in mind with Grimes, just because he hits free agency doesn't mean we can't sign him

"RoninFin4 wrote:

I'd be okay with letting Grimes walk. There's ample opportunity in free agency to get some quality players. Sam Shields, Tarell Brown, Aqib Talib, re-sign Nolan Carroll, etc.

I'd like to re-sign Grimes but at his age I wouldn't throw money at his feet. In addition to the guys you have listed I think we have to also take into account that despite his deficiencies as a DC Coyle has shown he can work some magic in the secondary.

And then there's Jamar Taylor, who's a bit of a wildcard in all this. What the coaching staff truly thinks of him could go a long way towards deciding the extent to which they pursue Grimes.

"PhinGeneral wrote:

I'd like to re-sign Grimes but at his age I wouldn't throw money at his feet. In addition to the guys you have listed I think we have to also take into account that despite his deficiencies as a DC Coyle has shown he can work some magic in the secondary.

And then there's Jamar Taylor, who's a bit of a wildcard in all this. What the coaching staff truly thinks of him could go a long way towards deciding the extent to which they pursue Grimes.

I am very intrigued to see what Taylor can do, but hard to put ourselves in a position to really rely on him at this point.

Believe it or not there are other fish in the sea. Just sayin. If the Dolphins had signed Keenan Lewis last year (5 years, $25.55 million total, $10.5 million guaranteed) then they probably would have gotten JUST as good a player as Grimes, except he'd be 28 years old in 2014 instead of 31 years old.

Remember this post:

"ckparrothead wrote:

Here is some data based on corners being 30 years old.

From 2008 to 2012 there were 40 corners who graced the gridiron at 30 years old.

Those 40 corners took a total of 20628 snaps. By the time they were 31 years old (which is 2014, for Brent Grimes) they took 13268 snaps (64% of what they did at 30 years old).

Of the 30 corners who took snaps at 30 years old from 2008 to 2011 (which means they were eligible to take snaps as 32 year olds in 2013), their snaps at 30 years old dropped from 15710 snaps to 7395 (47%) by the time they were 32 years old.

In total there were 17 of these corners who were full time players at the time they were 30 years old, like Brent Grimes. Their snap counts dropped to 80% at 31 years old and 65% at 32 years old.

But perhaps the most disturbing is that the cumulative PFF grade of the 13 of those guys who were 32 years old or better by 2013...went from +59.0 at 30 years old to +50.4 at 31 years old...all the way to -23.6 at 32 years old.

That's a HUGE dropoff at 32 years old.

The dropoff at 31 years old is bolstered by Charles "Peanut" Tillman going from a +11.4 grade in 2011 to a +23.8 grade in 2012. For the rest of the guys (12) they went from +47.6 down to +26.6 and then -17.1.

The data is frightening and I think that's why you want to show some caution about giving Brent Grimes a long term deal. If the market dictates that he should make $30 million over 4 years with $18 million guaranteed...I would pass on that in favor of the franchise tag.

The drop-off with Grimes is coming. That's what you have to be concerned about.

As I said he's not the only fish in the sea. You have guys like Sam Shields, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Alterraun Verner, Brandon Browner and Walter Thurmond all available. I'm sure Sam Shields would love to come back here. Another guy I need to watch on tape on but who intrigues me a lot is Trumaine McBride who really caught fire and came out of nowhere with the Giants this year, putting up some great metrics.

I think given that it's pretty unpleasant to have to pay Grimes $11.3 million just for one season, and at the same time knowing that the age studies point to 2015 as being a year where Grimes' level of play drops off quite a bit, is enough to have you saying that if Grimes doesn't play ball with you in negotiations then you can risk losing him.

"djphinfan wrote:

The deal will get done if we have the right people in place knowing what is necessary.

So…. do you think it will get done?

"Bpk wrote:

So…. do you think it will get done?

I have to believe it will or I'm gonna be miserable about our front office..

I say that because I feel like I have a good idea of what is the right thing to do, so if they don't, which is what they usually do, it will suck for me with this new GM.

I've got brent grimes last year as the best corner play I've seen since Sams best year, however, I prefer grimes game because he's not afraid to tackle.

No one should be broken hearted about losing a CB who will be 31 to free agency.

It appears very likely Alterraun Verner is going to hit the open market. This is the kind of player that you do overpay.

Verner has the potential to become elite. Right now I would call him very good. He is also a brilliant guy, honor student majored in math and applied science, is an outstanding leader who has actually done motivational speaking.

This is exactly the type of player the Dolphins need to improve their locker room.

Give him a six year deal and draft CB Ross cockrell, who is a Verner clone and CB will be a rock solid position for many years. Sign Peanut Tillman to play safety and then watch the Dolphins secondary lead the NFL turnovers for the next several years.

I'd be shocked if we can sign any significant players to long term deals here. With the offseason we've had and the lame duck coaching situation I don't see why anyone with options would come here. We will have to overpay for any bigtime free agents and thats not worth it. I hope I'm wrong.

"finfansince72 wrote:

I'd be shocked if we can sign any significant players to long term deals here. With the offseason we've had and the lame duck coaching situation I don't see why anyone with options would come here. We will have to overpay for any bigtime free agents and thats not worth it. I hope I'm wrong.

Yes, of course, the Dolphins will have to pay a premium for top-tier free agents. That is why they need to make damn sure they choose high character leaders type players.

Zach Strief is another guy they could look at. He was team captain and union rep for the Saints. His reputation is the antithesis of Incognito's. Zach was PFF's #1 rated RT in the league last year. He was a late bloomer who really hasn't seen that much action for a guy 31.

With the salary cap increase Eugene Monroe might not hit free agency, but if he does, the Dolphins should not be out bid. This is another guy you can overpay. Elite character and durability along with his obvious talent.

i think we tag him

So there are reports that we WONT franchise tag him. There are reports that we WILL franchise tag him. We are inept if we let him go. We are inept if we keep him. Funny confusing stuff

"ckparrothead wrote:

Believe it or not there are other fish in the sea. Just sayin. If the Dolphins had signed Keenan Lewis last year (5 years, $25.55 million total, $10.5 million guaranteed) then they probably would have gotten JUST as good a player as Grimes, except he'd be 28 years old in 2014 instead of 31 years old.

Remember this post:

The drop-off with Grimes is coming. That's what you have to be concerned about.

As I said he's not the only fish in the sea. You have guys like Sam Shields, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Alterraun Verner, Brandon Browner and Walter Thurmond all available. I'm sure Sam Shields would love to come back here. Another guy I need to watch on tape on but who intrigues me a lot is Trumaine McBride who really caught fire and came out of nowhere with the Giants this year, putting up some great metrics.

I think given that it's pretty unpleasant to have to pay Grimes $11.3 million just for one season, and at the same time knowing that the age studies point to 2015 as being a year where Grimes' level of play drops off quite a bit, is enough to have you saying that if Grimes doesn't play ball with you in negotiations then you can risk losing him.

Wow. Those age statistics are staggering... that is an incredible, rapid drop off. Damn. Thanks for sharing that.