NFL.com "New Dolphins coach Joe Philbin emerges as the big winner..."

Yes.

i liked everything except for when they said the dolphins will probably be very bad this year. lol.

"RickyNeverInhaled wrote:

i liked everything except for when they said the dolphins will probably be very bad this year. lol.

Yeah, I was offended, then sad because I realized it could be true.

Sometimes it's good to hear the world outside of Miami's perspective. But sometimes it sucks, just like Chad Henne.

"Bpk wrote:

Yeah, I was offended, then sad because I realized it could be true.

Sometimes it's good to hear the world outside of Miami's perspective. But sometimes it sucks, just like Chad Henne.

yeah, well, chad henne will start more games than matt moore will this year.. so there's that...

Well, look at it this way, the franchise put up with Marshall, who was doing the same stuff Johnson did, just over a longer period of time, despite all of the talent it still did not help us win all that many ballgames anyway.

As for being awful, it is possible, we have a lot of questions and a front loaded schedule, again, our season pretty much boils down to the first month of the season which is one of the reasons why I'm not in favor of starting Tannehill in gm #1 as I'm utterly tired of our season being over by November.

That is to much to ask of fans imo.

I agree. I dont think we'll be "very bad" as the article states, but I dont think we're going to be very great either. I'd say were probably a 7-9 or 8-8 team again this year while everyone adapts to the new systems, and we find the right personell. We'll see though I guess. I just dont have high expectations, and I'm ok with that since its a whole regime change again, I understand that... but I just don't think were going to be as bad as everyone says we are.

"padre31 wrote:

Well, look at it this way, the franchise put up with Marshall, who was doing the same stuff Johnson did, just over a longer period of time, despite all of the talent it still did not help us win all that many ballgames anyway.

As for being awful, it is possible, we have a lot of questions and a front loaded schedule, again, our season pretty much boils down to the first month of the season which is one of the reasons why I'm not in favor of starting Tannehill in gm #1 as I'm utterly tired of our season being over by November.

That is to much to ask of fans imo.

The organization had no choice on Marshall. He had guaranteed money in his contract and was making 10 mil a year to boot.

"Trowa wrote:

The organization had no choice on Marshall. He had guaranteed money in his contract and was making 10 mil a year to boot.

Well, if one recall at the time of the BM trade, Ross said they were lucky to be able to trade him otherwise they were going to waive him if they couldn't find a trade partner.

As for the offense, what we are heading for is a 20 yd box around the LoS, and there is no Wildcat to save our asses this yr, this is why our season may look quite bleak by November.

"padre31 wrote:

Well, if one recall at the time of the BM trade, Ross said they were lucky to be able to trade him otherwise they were going to waive him if they couldn't find a trade partner.

As for the offense, what we are heading for is a 20 yd box around the LoS, and there is no Wildcat to save our asses this yr, this is why our season may look quite bleak by November.

20 yds is being generous, 12 -15 is more like it. Hopefully the defense and ST will pick up the slack.

I don't think the Dolphins are better off for having signed Chad Johnson. Ian Rapaport himself said it would be ok as long as you "don’t stunt the growth of younger players by giving him a ton of reps, etc"...well to my knowledge Chad Johnson has been claiming a full course of 1st team reps from the start so yeah he has been taking reps away from younger guys.

Cutting Chad does send a strong message about what will be tolerated and what won't, and I like that. But, right now a big faction of your most important players don't like that message. And it remains to be seen to me whether Philbin was able to handle the difficult situations Chad Johnson presented with enough aplomb to get those veterans to accept his hard message. Like I said before a lot of players may look at those interactions on Hard Knocks and his chat with Dansby where he never brought up criticism for Dansby's radio appearance but then later blasted him for it to the media, and they might not be very impressed. Those were difficult situations, some of which may have had no truly ideal way handling, brought on by the presence of a player as difficult to handle as Chad Johnson.

So no I don't think Miami did the right thing signing Chad.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I don't think the Dolphins are better off for having signed Chad Johnson. Ian Rapaport himself said it would be ok as long as you "don’t stunt the growth of younger players by giving him a ton of reps, etc"...well to my knowledge Chad Johnson has been claiming a full course of 1st team reps from the start so yeah he has been taking reps away from younger guys.

Cutting Chad does send a strong message about what will be tolerated and what won't, and I like that. But, right now a big faction of your most important players don't like that message. And it remains to be seen to me whether Philbin was able to handle the difficult situations Chad Johnson presented with enough aplomb to get those veterans to accept his hard message. Like I said before a lot of players may look at those interactions on Hard Knocks and his chat with Dansby where he never brought up criticism for Dansby's radio appearance but then later blasted him for it to the media, and they might not be very impressed. Those were difficult situations, some of which may have had no truly ideal way handling, brought on by the presence of a player as difficult to handle as Chad Johnson.

So no I don't think Miami did the right thing signing Chad.

I worry a bit about this, I'm thinking that Philbin is very consciensous to the point that he will keep working on smoothing this thing out with the vets as time continues to pass..I think he has to pschologically continue to work them after this to become one unit who wants to play for their coach.

"Bpk wrote:

...Sometimes it's good to hear the world outside of Miami's perspective. But sometimes it sucks, just like Chad Henne.

I died when I read that. Classic.

However, this is the first year of "rebuilding" where I am content with a meteocre season. New Coach. Franchise-able QB. Solid RB. Just need to put the pieces together.

I don't know why we should consider Philbin a winner, because his hand pretty clearly got forced. He pretty much had to take a hard line on Johnson or else risk being labeled any number of unflattering things, fair or not.

"Disgustipate wrote:

I don't know why we should consider Philbin a winner, because his hand pretty clearly got forced. He pretty much had to take a hard line on Johnson or else risk being labeled any number of unflattering things, fair or not.

Actually, Philbin got bailed out by Chad's actions this weekend. As CK said, Chad was a never a fit here, ESPECIALLY with HBO giving him a stage to act like a clown and be the disruptive force he was born to be.

My bigger concern is, why did we sign Chad in the first place? Was this a Ross move to drive ticket sales? Or did Philbin really think he could reform this clown while trying to rebuild the team?

If suspect this more a PR move and that Philbin was gifted the opportunity to cut him before more damage was done.. The entire season of Hard Knocks would have focused on Chad and his antics...Now the team (and HBO) can focus on rebuilding this team and supporting our rookie coach.
We don't need a diva WR distraction during this process. It's not like we are anywhere near a playoff caliber team this year, with or without Ocho Headbutt /

"Bumrush wrote:

Actually, Philbin got bailed out by Chad's actions this weekend. As CK said, Chad was a never a fit here, ESPECIALLY with HBO giving him a stage to act like a clown and be the disruptive force he was born to be.

My bigger concern is, why did we sign Chad in the first place? Was this a Ross move to drive ticket sales? Or did Philbin really think he could reform this clown while trying to rebuild the team?

If suspect this more a PR move and that Philbin was gifted the opportunity to cut him before more damage was done.. The entire season of Hard Knocks would have focused on Chad and his antics...Now the team (and HBO) can focus on rebuilding this team and supporting our rookie coach.
We don't need a diva WR distraction during this process. It's not like we are anywhere near a playoff caliber team this year, with or without Ocho Headbutt /

Because he makes you think he has a kind heart, who loves football and who works hard, he has talent, so you give him a chance, didn't give up anything, but forgot one thing, he's not as smart as he says he is.

"djphinfan wrote:

Because he makes you think he has a kind heart, who loves football and who works hard, he has talent, so you give him a chance, didn't give up anything, but forgot one thing, he's not as smart as he says he is.

Well, on the flip side of things, if the original intent to sign Chad was one of PR by Ross/ Ireland, then Philbin just won a major battle.. It may not be apparent to everyone, but this could be used as leverage if ownership tries to push an agenda for political / non football reasons. Just sayin..

Doesn't make too much sense to trade one diva WR then pickup another, during a clear rebuild process.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Cutting Chad does send a strong message about what will be tolerated and what won't, and I like that. But, right now a big faction of your most important players don't like that message. And it remains to be seen to me whether Philbin was able to handle the difficult situations Chad Johnson presented with enough aplomb to get those veterans to accept his hard message. Like I said before a lot of players may look at those interactions on Hard Knocks and his chat with Dansby where he never brought up criticism for Dansby's radio appearance but then later blasted him for it to the media, and they might not be very impressed. Those were difficult situations, some of which may have had no truly ideal way handling, brought on by the presence of a player as difficult to handle as Chad Johnson.

I'd say this is overstating things a bit.

"djphinfan wrote:

I worry a bit about this, I'm thinking that Philbin is very consciensous to the point that he will keep working on smoothing this thing out with the vets as time continues to pass..I think he has to pschologically continue to work them after this to become one unit who wants to play for their coach.

Yeah but sometimes the more you fiddle with something the worse you make it.

I agree with those saying it's pretty early to call Philbin a winner in this situation. It remains to be seen if there will be any long-term implications on the locker room from all this.

"Bumrush wrote:

Actually, Philbin got bailed out by Chad's actions this weekend. As CK said, Chad was a never a fit here, ESPECIALLY with HBO giving him a stage to act like a clown and be the disruptive force he was born to be.

That's an interesting way to look at it.

"djphinfan wrote:

Because he makes you think he has a kind heart, who loves football and who works hard, he has talent, so you give him a chance, didn't give up anything, but forgot one thing, he's not as smart as he says he is.

That's what makes him such a challenging player.

If a guy is just an a-hole then he's relatively easy to handle. You keep the leash short and the carrot right in front of his nose. Everyone in the locker room recognizes that they're a-holes so you never have a locker room problem if you treat them poorly. The ones that are just a-holes but REALLY talented, that gets to be trouble, see Santonio Holmes. But Chad isn't a Santonio Holmes from a talent perspective. Yet if he weren't talented at all, again that makes things pretty easy. First sign of trouble, he's gone. Those guys tend not to have the confidence level to be trouble anyway, and they never get locker room backing because the locker room respects talent probably most of all even more than hard work.

Chad Johnson is one of the most difficult players in the NFL to handle because he's talented, respected, a good person AND an a-hole that crosses too many lines. Not something I would have saddled a 1st time Head Coach with, especially since we're already taking on the challenge of Hard Knocks.

"DrAstroZoom wrote:

I'd say this is overstating things a bit.

Well if "blasting" has been used as a word to describe what Karlos Dansby did with the organization over the release of Chad (it has) then I think the word fits with what Philbin said about Dansby to the press.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Well if "blasting" has been used as a word to describe what Karlos Dansby did with the organization over the release of Chad (it has) then I think the word fits with what Philbin said about Dansby to the press.

I wouldn't consider either statement a "blast," FWIW.

Here's the other thing: Chad has some physical talent, but he hadn't shown enough in the preseason to warrant maintaining his growing radioactivity. Roberto Wallace has had more on-the-field value to the team to this point. You can only put up with so much whilst waiting for things to get better, IMO.

One final point. I'm a little skeptical of the idea that players had grown so attached to Chad as a teammate in 60+ days that they were mourning his loss on the locker room. I think this is more a defensive reaction to the general idea of a short leash.

"ckparrothead wrote:

That's an interesting way to look at it.

Not if you look back a bit at Ross and his track record.. Last year, shortly after signing Reggie Bush, his mug was all over billboards.. I don't know if I believe that our strategy to develop Bush as a primary RB was fully Ireland's, or if he was strongly advised to sign a new face of the franchise.. This year, who is the face of the franchise? Who is the personality that is going to sell tickets?

Again, this is pure conjecture on my part, but from everything I have seen, a personality like Johnson is the worst type of fit for Philbin and this rebuilding process. Philbin needs to come in and take control of the team. He is instituting a brand new offense, a new D, and is facing uncertainty at the QB / RB/ WR position.

Chad's predictable and idiotic outcome may work in Philbin's favor, long term.

1) It send a clear message to the non football people such as Ross that you better let me handle my business and build my team on merit, not ticket sales.
2) It shows authority and decisive action.
3) It exposes malcontents like Dansby and gives the coaching staff a clear idea of who can potentially create locker room issues.
4) It shoots a sense of urgency down the spine of guys like Vontane Davis that their starting jobs are in jeopardy if they don't get with the program.
5) It allows the coaching staff to re-educate those problem players or cut their losses quicker.

Taken from a broader perspective, Philbin is the winner here. Hands down.