NFL.com's Bucky Brooks: Change in offensive philosophy could be difference for Henne
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Desidesforum_veteranOPHis ball placement is on point when he passes in rhythm and he's very comfortable working off play-action. Henne is ideally suited to work in a system that features a vertical passing game.
I stopped reading right here. This is pure nonsense.
Henne can't execute play action properly; he doesn't sell the fake. He usually doesn't even try. He has trouble reacquiring the defense after completing his non-fake. He's stated that he doesn't want to take shotgun snaps because he prefers to be up close to the line and acquire the defense; I'd imagine his dislike of the shotgun and his trouble acquiring the defense after play action have the same underlying cause.
As for Henne's vertical passing, his deep accuracy is pretty bad. He has an arm, but little precision. He can throw a powerful deep bomb but it usually won't wind up anywhere near the receiver. I'd wager he also has difficulty throwing to specific spots on the field, since IIRC Henning's system called for the ball to be thrown to points on the field based on route timing, rather than directly at the receiver in stride.
Daboll has talked about installing a quarterback-friendly system in Miami that is built around the talent already on the roster. This system would grant Henne the freedom to make checks and adjustments at the line, while also featuring a variety of formations, shifts and personnel groupings designed to create mismatches.
We've learned since Henning's departure that Henne did in fact have the ability to make adjustments at the line, and his protection calls were the primary reason why so many blockers were kept back. Likewise, with so many blockers retained, there were comparatively few receivers available to throw to. Henne became his own worst enemy.
Combining Henne's desire for max protect with his desire to always keep his eyes on the defense, one must conclude that Chad Henne can't read defenses and has no feel for the game beyond what he's directly looking at. Someone who can sense pocket pressure doesn't need extra blockers all the time; someone who knows receivers' routes, their timing, and can anticipate how the defense will react in coverage doesn't need to stare down his intended receivers.
Brian Daboll's playbook can't fix a quarterback who can't think or feel. Brian Daboll himself can't do that either, especially not after an entire offseason of zero hands-on coaching. Karl Dorrell isn't exactly going to have an easy time of his WR-to-QB coaching transition either.
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Dabol like to throw to the TE, which is a problem now. I'll be shocked if Ireland goes after Zach Miller but, can see him signing Robert Royal, a 32 year old from Cleve. He is a good blocker, and at least would allow Fasano to go out as a receiver. I know he doesn't have speed but, he does click with Henne. I believe this would give a comfortable option and cut down on Henne locking into WRs, which will cut down on mistakes.
I don't agree with all of Brooks thoughts but I do agree with some. I think Daboll could help Henne as he is said to have had some success in working with quarterbacks (according to Chad Pennington I think). Daboll will have his work cut out for him though because he's going to have to simplify the offense some. Going to have to really nail down the core or base plays and build around that with constraints. It'll be interesting to see because I think it could show Dolphins fans what Daboll is really about. We could find out if he's got the ability to be a good teacher and play caller or if he'll fall flat on his face.
The same goes for Chad Henne though.
DePhinistr8forum_veteranOur offense as a whole couldn't sell play action for sh!t. The RB's never committed to look like they were going to run, the O-line never threatened any type of run block, and 2 WR routes being covered by 7 defenders who didn't budge on overall crappy play action killed any possible play action we tried. Henne could certainly improve there, however it wasn't all him and he didn't look that bad doing it in '09.
"Southbeach wrote:
Dabol like to throw to the TE, which is a problem now. I'll be shocked if Ireland goes after Zach Miller but, can see him signing Robert Royal, a 32 year old from Cleve. He is a good blocker, and at least would allow Fasano to go out as a receiver. I know he doesn't have speed but, he does click with Henne. I believe this would give a comfortable option and cut down on Henne locking into WRs, which will cut down on mistakes.
They've already got a true TE in Fasano, a Flex in Clay (whatever his worklaod will be), and appear to be bringing back Haynos or a true blocking TE, which I don't have an issue with. Daboll does like to use his TEs in the passing game (probably because of what he learned under Weis and the NE philosophy in general) and I think the quick game will help him. I think it will simplify the reads for him (be a 2 on 1 grass read from what I gather) which may be good or it may be bad for Henne depending on how patient fans and the coaches are. IMO Henne is going to be starting almost all over again with his development because he never got the proper teaching and coaching from the previous staff. I think while Henne is to blame for some things, the majority of the blame should go on the coaching staff. Whether the new additions to the staff will be any better is uncertain however.
"KingMotion wrote:
Okay advanced NFL scout who watches tape. Your opinion is surely better than other people's who have studied and I apologize for Bucky questioning your infallible knowledge and understanding of the NFL game.
I don't see anything that was incorrect about his post.
Desides, Been through this max protect debate, and a QB can only use it if coaches send in the personnel to use it. Make sense?
"alen1 wrote:
They've already got a true TE in Fasano, a Flex in Clay (whatever his worklaod will be), and appear to be bringing back Haynos or a true blocking TE, which I don't have an issue with. Daboll does like to use his TEs in the passing game (probably because of what he learned under Weis and the NE philosophy in general) and I think the quick game will help him. I think it will simplify the reads for him (be a 2 on 1 grass read from what I gather) which may be good or it may be bad for Henne depending on how patient fans and the coaches are. IMO Henne is going to be starting almost all over again with his development because he never got the proper teaching and coaching from the previous staff. I think while Henne is to blame for some things, the majority of the blame should go on the coaching staff. Whether the new additions to the staff will be any better is uncertain however.
I really like Fasano, and believe that Daboll will give him a chance to shine. My point was that Henne seldom had a TE he could throw to, as Fasano was kept in to block so much.
I have high hopes for Clay but, I have the same for every Dolphin picked. If it's a Haynos, or a Royal, or a whoever, anything is better than what we had last year at 2nd TE.
Ohio Fanaticsubscriberoutside of his error wrt to Henne and playaction, the rest of the article seemed pretty reasonable to me.
we at least have optimism that henne can improve under Daboll, whereas we had no hope under Dan Henning
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"Ohio Fanatic wrote:
outside of his error wrt to Henne and playaction, the rest of the article seemed pretty reasonable to me.
we at least have optimism that henne can improve under Daboll, whereas we had no hope under Dan Henning
This is not a pro Henning post but, how did Penne have a very close to MVP season in 08 with him as OC?
Desidesforum_veteran"KingMotion wrote:
Okay advanced NFL scout who watches tape. Your opinion is surely better than other people's who have studied and I apologize for Bucky questioning your infallible knowledge and understanding of the NFL game.
As a Dolphins fan, I am absolutely certain that I have watched more of Chad Henne's professional career than Bucky Brooks has.
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xphinfanxforum_veteran"Southbeach wrote:
This is not a pro Henning post but, how did Penne have a very close to MVP season in 08 with him as OC?
By being Chad Pennington.
That's why they play the games!:yes:
slickj101forum_veteran"alen1 wrote:
They've already got a true TE in Fasano, a Flex in Clay (whatever his worklaod will be), and appear to be bringing back Haynos or a true blocking TE, which I don't have an issue with. Daboll does like to use his TEs in the passing game (probably because of what he learned under Weis and the NE philosophy in general) and I think the quick game will help him. I think it will simplify the reads for him (be a 2 on 1 grass read from what I gather) which may be good or it may be bad for Henne depending on how patient fans and the coaches are. IMO Henne is going to be starting almost all over again with his development because he never got the proper teaching and coaching from the previous staff. I think while Henne is to blame for some things, the majority of the blame should go on the coaching staff. Whether the new additions to the staff will be any better is uncertain however.
HOU has a lot of quality depth at TE.
I'd def make an offer for James Casey or Joel Dreessen. Can't imagine it'd take more than a late round pick..
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"slickj101 wrote:
HOU has a lot of quality depth at TE.
I'd def make an offer for James Casey or Joel Dreessen. Can't imagine it'd take more than a late round pick..
I think you'd be surprised. I think they like those two. Both guys are talented.
slickj101forum_veteran"alen1 wrote:
I think you'd be surprised. I think they like those two. Both guys are talented.
I'm sure they do, but they did just sign Owen Daniels for 4 years so I can't imagine them not being open to moving one of them.
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"slickj101 wrote:
I'm sure they do, but they did just sign Owen Daniels for 4 years so I can't imagine them not being open to moving one of them.
Possibly, though Owen Daniels hasn't been healthy the last couple of years. If they are open to moving one of them, I'd be surprised if its for a late round draft pick.
Stringer Bellsubscriber"KingMotion wrote:
Logical conclusion: Every Dolphin fan over the last three years is more qualified than Bucky Brooks to speak on the topic. 12, 13, 14 year olds. Brooks sits and rewinds games I'm sure. I already said I don't find his particular brand of analysis infallible, but I'd trust his over yours. Nothing personal, it's just that I rarely take seriously analysis only done on game day. Especially by a fan emotionally invested in the game.
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Disgustipatesubscriber"Southbeach wrote:
I really like Fasano, and believe that Daboll will give him a chance to shine. My point was that Henne seldom had a TE he could throw to, as Fasano was kept in to block so much.
Acting like Fasano was a Tackle-eligible is fairly inappropriate. Per PFF, he ran 365 routes and stayed in to block 147 times. That's what, staying in to block 28% of the time?
"Disgustipate wrote:
Acting like Fasano was a Tackle-eligible is fairly inappropriate. Per PFF, he ran 365 routes and stayed in to block 147 times. That's what, staying in to block 28% of the time?
That is part of the stat. Fasano was kept in to block 529 times, as opposed to 365 when he ran routes. He was thrown at 55 times the entire year, which ranks him at #27. We all know that TEs are targets on running downs as as well.
Desidesforum_veteran"KingMotion wrote:
Logical conclusion: Every Dolphin fan over the last three years is more qualified than Bucky Brooks to speak on the topic.
Logical conclusion: your attempt at refuting my post by rolling your eyes and saying that Brooks is a scout is negated. His description of Henne bears no relation to the player on the field.
If you disagree with my description, refute it; don't attack me directly. That's bush league.
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ckparrotheadmoderatorToo many negatives in that sentence, no idea where KingMotion is going with that question about not being not calling not max-protect not.
Fasano stayed in to block on pass plays more than most #1 TEs in the league, if not more than all of them. That figure 29% is a high figure. Even the guys that are generally kept in a fair amount are about 23%. Other guys like Jason Witten are more down in the teens.
Doubt the Texans give up Joel Dreessen. Played too well in place of Owen Daniels, and he's also their long snapper. James Casey is possible but I still say not likely. Think the Dolphins could go after someone like Robert Royal or maybe Chris Baker...outside shot of Daniel Graham.
I hate when people have to pretend that a dissenting opinion means that the dissenter automatically thinks he's more qualified and that the person he's disagreeing with has no right to his opinion, etc. Desides clearly disagreed with Bucky Brooks. BFD. But to react to his dissenting opinion the way SOME did, is beyond juvenile.
Personally I look at what Bucky Brooks wrote and I think he kind of just mailed one in during a dead time. I like Bucky a lot, think he hits the nail on the head a lot. Good former scout. But I swear 90% of this article could have been written by a piece of software.
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"KingMotion wrote:
What was the league average? And if that number be low, would that not be Henne NOT calling as much Max-Pro?
This Henne calling max protection is gonna make me crazy. If coaches send in Marshall, Hartline, Bess, and Moore, how does anyone call max protect?
If coaches send in Fasano, Shuler, Polite, and R or R, how do you not call max protect, and hope for the best?
Does anyone hnestly think that Henne is going to keep any of the 4 WRs in to block or, send Shuler or Polite on a fly pattern?
I blame Henne for a number of things. This cannot be one of them.
ckparrotheadmoderator"Southbeach wrote:
This Henne calling max protection is gonna make me crazy. If coaches send in Marshall, Hartline, Bess, and Moore, how does anyone call max protect?
If coaches send in Fasano, Shuler, Polite, and R or R, how do you not call max protect, and hope for the best?
Does anyone hnestly think that Henne is going to keep any of the 4 WRs in to block or, send Shuler or Polite on a fly pattern?
The first major critical flaw in this argument is that Miami's wide receiver usage was not out of line with the rest of the league. In fact I think it was dead center average. However, their use of unnecessary blockers WAS out of line with the rest of the league. Ridiculously out of line.
And there's a second minor critical flaw in this argument. Yes, if you have tight ends in and running backs in the game, you can very well release them out on patterns. It's done all over the league. Even if they're not particularly great receiving tight ends or particularly great receiving running backs. Everywhere in the league. Except Miami when Chad Henne is in.
My studies show that there's an 80% correlation across the league between number of extra blockers held in to block, and number of extra pass rushers sent in to blitz.
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Frayserforum_veteran"Desides wrote:
If you disagree with my description, refute it; don't attack me directly. That's bush league.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyPtJF-IgPc
Now, I've seen Henne struggle with play-action at times. And I've also seen his accuracy on the deep ball be a problem (though I've yet to see many young QBs who don't have issues with that). But I don't think Brooks is that far off base here. Do agree with CK that it's a bit of a puff piece.
RoninFin4subscriber"slickj101 wrote:
I'm sure they do, but they did just sign Owen Daniels for 4 years so I can't imagine them not being open to moving one of them.
Read an article on NFL.com the other day about the Texans, and it said that James Casey has been bulking up in preparation to play FB should they not be able to re-sign Vonta Leach, who went to the Pro Bowl. Not saying they couldn't sign, say Nnamdi Asomugha as they've been rumored to be interested in his services and still re-sign Leach. But, it does sound like they have a contingency plan should Leach be gone; though I doubt they'd want to mess too much with that running game given Arian Foster's success last year.
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