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Not including QB, what position is priority this off-season?

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  1. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores

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    Is it too early to ask? For me, it's not. When we play like we played today I can't help thinking about what I would do to rebuild our team. What position should be a priority this off-season? I can make a case for DE, DT, OG, OC, and LB. What about you? What would your strategy be to get us back on track?

    Me? I would start with rebuilding the trenches. In the draft, not including taking a franchise QB, in round 1, I would start with best available between DE, DT, or a 3 down LB. Then in round 2 I would go best available between OG or OC. You?
     
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  2. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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  3. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    DT or DE. If we get that right we could have a great defense next year.
     
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  4. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Question- how is Vea doing this season? A lot of folks thought we'd take him instead of Minkah and I'm glad we didn't, but we sure do need some help on that D line.

    My mock draft priority would be- WR or CB 1st, D line 2nd, whoever's left out of WR/CB 3rd and O line 4th. We need one Parker-like receiver and if a stud is there in the first, take him. If not, go corner and then shore up the trenches.
     
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  5. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Same thing its been for the last ten flipping years. Guard. Center. Guard, CB, Guard, DT, Guard, S, Guard LB, Guard DE and Guard.
     
  6. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Guard, Center, linebacker.
     
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  7. ripper1961

    ripper1961 Active Member

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    Yea Guard and LB.
     
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  8. WR. QB obviousl;y like you said but now that parker's career as a Dolphin is over after what his gaent did in the press today, we will definitely need at least WR over 4 feet tall. And LB, DT, DE, TE, and OL also.
     
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  9. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I mean, it's QB. Without better QB play we are just treading water.

    We have needs pretty much everywhere, but got to settle QB first. More assets on both lines, LB and CB could all be useful.
     
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  10. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    How is it that our needs list hasn't changed in like 10 years?
     
  11. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Our QB's (plural) have been putting up top 10 numbers this season...we're not losing because of the quarterbacks except in RT's meltdown against Cinci. That's one game out of seven. Yet teams have run all over us for 5 of the 7 weeks....to me that's a much bigger problem.
     
  12. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    Just add guard to that list and I think you nailed it.
     
  13. Fame

    Fame Well-Known Member

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    Injuries to the line have really taken their toll. So unfortunate.
     
  14. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    We have the starters. Now it's just a matter of drafting the backups behind them and building some depth so we can survive injuries
     
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  15. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Disagree. The QBs are not bringing enough to the table to compete with the real challengers.

    Without that type of QB you need a complete, deep and lucky team. We dont have any of that.

    Need to try again on QB. The NFL is making it clear - they want points, offense and QB play. We need to embrace that and do better.
     
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  16. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, that was my first thought. The Gase/Tanny combo was either going to work this year -or it would be time to rebuild. It is ALMOST too late to save this season, so if Tanny misses significant time again, or Gase can't get his offense on track even with Tanny back, then I feel like we have reached the end of the Gase era in Miami.

    That doesn't mean that Ross won't give them both another year though.
     
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  17. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I don't disagree....but the question was "What do we need most?" Brock played good enough to win today, but we had nobody to throw to and didn't really attack the field. That's never 100% on the QB and he's not the #1 problem at the moment.
     
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  18. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    If our defense had a guy like Luke or Sean lee, we would be elite defensively.

    Just like you have to find Dan’s successor, you have to find Zach’s too.
     
  19. Conuficus

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    Everything. Doesn't matter just bring in talent as we need ****loads of it all over the place.
     
  20. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Without a doubt he goes one more year and I think that’s the terms of his contract a 4 year deal and than he walks. Ross is just as incompetent as an owner as Gase is a coch
     
  21. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 He can smell your fear

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    A stud MLB would have the biggest impact on this season. Getting a true X receiver in the offseason would be nice.
     
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  22. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Only a few of you came close to the target but no one has outright said it.

    Number one priority this offseason is finding the Dick Lebeau or Wade Phillips of defensive coordinators. Many of you keep bringing up talent. We have the talent on defense. Now all that ship needs is a captain to steer it and Matt Burke isn’t it.

    If we don’t get a premiere DC in the offseason, might as well hang it up. It won’t matter if we had an offense that scores 30 points a game, if we can’t stop our opponents, what good will it do?
     
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  23. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I don't mean to be antagonistic here cause you're a cool dude, but this type of comment is basically a ticket to continue the mediocrity. I want a QB who elevates the team, instead of needing to have the team elevate him just to give us a shot. It's been decades of "if we just get X we can win!" That X isn't OL, DL, CB, LB, K or whatever, it's QB.

    For this season, it is what is. For next season, we need a new direction. And at this point, barring a major turnaround, that includes Gase as well as THill and Brock.
     
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  24. Dolphin Dundee

    Dolphin Dundee Well-Known Member

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    Hate to say it but we need a Rex Ryan type on Defense. The passion from coaching seems lacking..
     
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  25. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    But thats a genetic defect for this team at this point. I don't think there is a cure.

    I think you're right, just haven't seen it be an issue for this or the last few management groups. Haven't had a focus on the D since Saban.

    I also think we have 75% of the talent and the right coach can make up the balance and add the difference.
     
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  26. Redwine4all

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    That's where we must start...I've already put out a list of potential candidates.

    But by no means am I in the know of who all is available...but its painfully obvious that Gase is not the answer.

    For me, I'd bring in Jim Schwartz. His teams are hard...the Fins under Gsse are like hot butter.

    Same defense, and we already know we have to revamp the offense, regardless.
     
  27. Redwine4all

    Redwine4all Well-Known Member

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    Agree completely. Burke is suited to be a position coach in the Ivy League...not a DC in the NFL.
     
  28. Redwine4all

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    Maybe sign Teddy Bridgewater.

    Then BPA.. we have holes EVERYWHERE. This is a very bad football team.
     
  29. Nappy Roots

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    I wish. However, Saints gave up a 3rd for Teddy. Id assume they will offer him a good amount to stay. Even if they didn't, Tannehill can't be cut this off season pretty much, so if they add a QB, you'd probably expect it to be in the draft, with the thoughts that RT is the starter next year and a young guy can sit and learn behind him. Which I wouldn't mind.
     
  30. Berezo

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    For me it has to be linebacker. Watching the game live and in person yesterday, I can honestly say they are lost on 90% of the plays. They over-persue on run plays , fail to shed blocks, and have no idea what to do in coverage. The lb core is supposed to support your defensive line and these guys don’t, they just run around clueless and get lucky if the play comes their direction.
     
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  31. tirty8

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  32. muskrat21

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    nobody is elevating that defense to win yesterday from the QB spot..................................... detriot punted 1 time, and scored on all other posessions. tom brady aaron rodger drew brees, whoever you think is an elite QB would not have helped the defense not get shredded.
     
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  33. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Sometimes that happens - perfect seasons are rare for a reason. But, having Brock/Thill is not helping. Over the course of a season, a QB like Rogers, Brees, Brady ... they lift their teams, they steal wins, they shut the door. I mean, the GB defense is garbage, yet Rogers still drags the Packers to wins. The KC defense is garbage, yet Mahomes has 22 TDs and they are 5-1. A spectacular offense can absolutely help negate defensive flaws. Whether that is getting out to early leads and dictating the game or keeping the score close enough to strike late, that's what the best QBs do. We don't, and haven't since Dan.

    I'm just tired of the "If only we could get an X we can win with mediocre QB Y." I want a QB that wins games, not a QB we can potentially win with if everything else falls into place.
     
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  34. Deus ex dolphin

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    Tanny has a $26 million cap hit in 2019, with a dead cap of $13 million, so we'd be gaining $13 million in cap space by trading/cutting him. If he is still injured, I doubt we find a team willing to trade with the cap hit he has. Maybe if he signed an extension, but we need to assume we get nothing for Ryan except some cap room.

    The Saints either wanted Bridgewater to keep the train rolling if Brees got hurt this season, or they want him to take over if this is the last season for Drew. I see no sign of Brees falling off though, so I don't see how they can afford to keep both QBs in 2019.

    If I knew that Tanny was likely DONE for this season (anything around a 50/50 chance) with that shoulder, I make a trade this year. Let Oz play a few more weeks while Teddy learns the offensive system. It won't save this season, but Gase would have a solid QB to run his offense for 2019 and he would have some real game experience in it. That gives Gase a more than fair shot for success in 2019 and if he fails you let a new GM/Coach decide who to keep for 2020.

    Now, Bridgewater might be happy to sit another season behind Drew, with the promise of taking over in 2020 under a really good offensive minded coach. It won't hurt to ask though.
     
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  35. Tin Indian

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    Guard Center Guard. 1st, 2nd and 3rd round. Only caveat would be if one of these college QB's step up that would go to the top of the list but I haven't seen one I'm enamored with yet.
     
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  36. KeyFin

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    I would love to bring in either of the Ryan brothers as a coordinator, but I do especially love Rex's fire and arrogance. He has people believing they can run thru walls and he schemes ways to make it happen. Maybe he's not a top candidate but we could do a heck of a lot worse. He got a heck of a lot out of a mediocre Jets team...they messed up letting him walk.
     
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  37. DolphinGreg

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    I think the optimal path forward is to build up the defense as a unit and bank on selecting a QB down the road in 2020 or beyond. The offense got a lot of attention last year, but I think that experiment is done. I want to see a serious commitment to defense over the next year or two involving retaining the guys we have and adding new pieces where they're badly needed.

    Before you get to selecting defensive prospects you have to decide your scheme. That's going to dictate what you need. Scheme will have major ramifications for someone like Kiko Alonso who's a tremendous asset as a attacking LB moving downhill towards the LOS but also a noticeable liability in coverage. In one scheme he's great. In another, he's being exposed. And most teams aren't throwing multiple rookie LBs on the field as the Fins are with McMillan and Baker. I think those guys will grow in understanding their responsibilities.

    The secondary has Howard (who should be locked up this off-season) along with Jones, Fitzpatrick, and McCain. You need an outside CB opposite Howard so maybe that's your R1 pick? That position (CB) is always a candidate given the athletic requirements and depth needed in the NFL.

    Now, if I'm being real, the D-line has become a mess with the injuries it's sustained this year. But these injuries have merely exposed the fact it was such a thrown-together unit anyhow IMHO. Where is the young talent? I see DT Vincent Taylor out-performing his rookie contract and DE Jonathan Woodard flashing some potential but that's really it. Godchaux and Malveaux are merely solid at this stage. Branch is somewhat reliable and he's 29 so he's something (if you can get his price down).

    However, Harris is a complete bust as of now. Hayes got hurt, but at 33 years old it's not as though that outcome wasn't a significant possibility. Quinn was a gamble that started well but is now looking less impressive. Wake is 36 years old, fighting a knee issue and unlikely to be particularly effective week-in, week-out.

    Fact is, DE is a critical (sometimes game-changing) position for NFL defenses and Miami is getting very little production from it. A lot of the blame goes to Harris here. If you have a rising R1 talent coming into form, this all looks A LOT BETTER. But Harris is providing zilch right now and in tandem with losing core guys, well...it's a mess.

    So I think Miami goes back to the well at DE if they're high enough to select a top product.
     
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    DE- Wake is about done, we never get near the opposing. Horrible contract handed to Branch. Missing hayes
    CB- Need someone opposite X, keep Bobby in slot Minka at FS (Horrible contract handed to TJ Howard)
    I would use free agency and some of the Tannehill money for another guard and a DT
    I assume Wilson and Stills back so we should be fine at wr
    Hope Ballage can play so we dont use a pick at RB, and hope Gesicki and Smythe become players so we don't need a TE
     
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  39. djphinfan

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    Tight end... Def end....Linebacker...Corner...Guards... Center....QB

    We need them all
     
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  40. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    No on TE. Our rookies haven't been doing much, but TE is one of the hardest spots to have an impact on as a rookie. We just have to hope they are acclimating and will make the jump that many do in Y2.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/...-tight-ends-struggle-to-make-immediate-impact

    I said it before the season - if we were relying on on rooks to come in and have big impacts, we were chasing fool's gold.

     
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