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***Official 2011-12 MLB HOTSTOVE OFF-SEASON THREAD***

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by BigDogsHunt, Oct 29, 2011.

  1. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Ok, post your favorite Team's (or Rivals) news, trades, FA Signings, Team speculations....and all other HOT STOVE items to keep everyone interested in the loop on wheeling and dealing' going on.

    Hopefully this will help keep the OFFICIAL Team 2012 Season threads uncluttered for ACTUAL deals; and not simply SPECULATION, etc.

    Enjoy!
     
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  2. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Gonna be the most exciting off season in Marlins history.




























    Pujols to Florida.....errr, Miami.
     
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  3. BigDogsHunt

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    Jon Heyman reports that the Yankees and Brian Cashman have officially come to an agreement on a contract extension for the general manager. Everyone has been expecting this anyway, so it’s hardly Earth shattering news. Joel Sherman reports that the extension is for three years, which is basically the standard term in the Bronx, it seems.
     
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  4. finyank13

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    We should all make predictions on Albert, Fielder, CJ Wilson, who else is a FA? Big name?
     
  5. BigDogsHunt

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    Albert = Cards
    Fielder = Cubs
    Wilson = Tex....NYY...Bos...PHI (one of the other remaining 26 clubs:tongue2:)
     
  6. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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  7. BigDogsHunt

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    nice way to go out, if he truly stays out.....good for him.

    ** How does this impact Albert??? hmmmmm??
     
  8. BigDogsHunt

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    Wouldnt be shocked to see Boston go after him to man 3B, and move Youk to DH. Let Ortiz walk.....
     
  9. BigDogsHunt

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    LOL....

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    They denied it when it was first leaked a couple months ago and they continue to say that we have to wait until November 11th to know for sure, but yeah, this is the new Marlins cap logo.

    We know this because the New Era store in Buffalo, New York is selling them. George Richards of the Miami Herald found one there and bought it. He has multiple pictures of it over at his Florida Panthers blog.
     
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  10. Ray Finkle

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    It won't impact Albert as long as STL offers him a reasonable contract compared to his other offers.

    I'd be shocked if that happens. It don't see it at all.
     
  11. BigDogsHunt

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  12. Ray Finkle

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    Thankfully that's not going to happen either. But man McLouth came crashing back down to earth pretty quickly huh?
     
  13. BigDogsHunt

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    We have our first trade of the 2011-12 offseason!

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    and it begins......love it.
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  14. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Interesting....
     
  15. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    I hope the Marlins take a look at Sizemore.
     
  16. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Why? He hasn't been good or healthy since 2007. He's living off of his name still.
     
  17. BigDogsHunt

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    TYPE A & B FREE AGENTS

    Each player was labeled a Type A, B, or none. Those designations and the possible accompanying arbitration offers determine draft pick compensation (click here for a refresher).

    The numbers beside the players' names represent their rankings. If teams sign more than one Type A free agent, one team gets a top compensation pick and other teams lose out. The team losing the highest-ranked free agent obtains the best pick the signing team can offer and other teams fall in line behind the team that loses the top-ranked player.
    Type A



    • C.C. Sabathia, Yankees - 95.930 (can opt out)
    • Brandon Phillips, Reds - 91.518 (club option)
    • Albert Pujols, Cardinals - 95.200
    • Prince Fielder, Brewers - 91.200
    • C.J. Wilson, Rangers - 90.988
    • David Ortiz, Red Sox - 86.000
    • Ryan Madson, Phillies - 82.948
    • Rafael Soriano, Yankees - 82.217 (can opt out)
    • Heath Bell, Padres - 81.437
    • Carlos Beltran, Giants - 80.879 (cannot be offered arbitration)
    • Jonathan Papelbon, Red Sox - 80.292
    • Ramon Hernandez, Reds - 78.947
    • Roy Oswalt, Phillies - 78.350
    • Michael Cuddyer, Twins - 77.671
    • Josh Willingham, Athletics - 77.534
    • Kyle Farnsworth, Rays - 76.586 (club option)
    • Kelly Johnson, Blue Jays - 74.725
    • Matt Capps, Twins - 73.788
    • Darren Oliver, Rangers - 72.880
    • Jose Reyes, Mets - 77.249
    • Jimmy Rollins, Phillies - 76.720
    • Francisco Rodriguez, Brewers - 75.671
    • Octavio Dotel, Cardinals - 70.922 (club option)
    • Takashi Saito, Brewers - 69.627
    • Francisco Cordero, Reds - 68.486 (club option)
    Type B

    • Vladimir Guerrero, Orioles - 70.000
    • Jason Kubel, Twins - 68.219
    • David DeJesus, Athletics - 64.384
    • Magglio Ordonez, Tigers - 63.288
    • Juan Pierre, White Sox - 61.233
    • Jose Molina, Blue Jays - 59.586
    • Jason Varitek, Red Sox - 57.143
    • Wilson Betemit - 59.740
    • Mark Buehrle, White Sox - 68.508
    • Bruce Chen, Royals - 67.248
    • Freddy Garcia, Yankees - 61.240
    • Frank Francisco, Blue Jays - 68.211
    • Jon Rauch, Blue Jays - 61.083
    • Jason Frasor, White Sox - 60.976
    • Dan Wheeler, Red Sox - 60.905
    • Shawn Camp, Blue Jays - 57.680
    • Raul Ibanez, Phillies - 68.022
    • Derrek Lee, Pirates - 64.000
    • Ryan Ludwick, Pirates - 62.637
    • Cody Ross, Giants - 60.879
    • Carlos Pena, Cubs - 59.200
    • Pat Burrell, Giants - 59.121
    • Rod Barajas, Dodgers - 70.489
    • Ryan Doumit, Pirates - 67.857
    • Chris Snyder, Pirates - 65.414
    • Aramis Ramirez, Cubs - 71.978
    • Mark Ellis, Rockies - 71.429
    • Alex Gonzalez, Braves - 69.312
    • Aaron Hill, Diamondbacks - 62.500
    • Yuniesky Betancourt, Brewers - 61.905
    • Rafael Furcal, Cardinals - 56.085
    • Clint Barmes, Astros - 55.556
    • Hiroki Kuroda, Dodgers - 66.422
    • Edwin Jackson, Cardinals - 63.154
    • Aaron Harang, Padres - 60.294
    • Brad Lidge, Phillies - 64.477
    • Kerry Wood, Cubs - 61.764
    • Arthur Rhodes, Cardinals - 59.019
     
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  18. BigDogsHunt

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    yeah, like Beltran interesting.....well, actually worse!

    I hope they sign him!

    ^This....in my best case dream, the Red Sox sign Beltran, Sizemore and McLouth.....:tongue2:
     
  19. Nappy Roots

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    Shoppach will 100% be declined. However, in this catcher market I would expect him to be brought back at a large discount. Farnsworth is a question. On one hand he is a type A free agent and would garner a 1st round pick, he also pitched over his head last season. However, on the other hand, it would be nice to have a closer for back to back years. Also at $3.3 million, that is not outragous for a closer.
     
  20. BigDogsHunt

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    Go after KRod for closer....

     
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    Hes good. But we can't afford to pay him what hes going to command. Plus I am not a big fan of paying closers big money or long term contracts anyways.
     
  22. Ray Finkle

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    Luckily for you, you have a GM (one of the few) that agrees.
     
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  23. finyank13

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    and so it begins....

     
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    Getting anything for Derek Lowe at this point is basically a victory. Hopefully they can put that five million to good use.
     
  25. BigDogsHunt

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    More Closer/Relief arms on the market...

    and...

     
  26. BigDogsHunt

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    Cashman complete...Check!; Swisher complete...Check! CC complete.....Check!

    moving right along nicely.....
     
  27. BigDogsHunt

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    Here is a great list.....

    1. Albert Pujols - Cardinals. The Cubs, Blue Jays, Orioles, Mariners, Rangers, Marlins, Nationals, and Dodgers are other potential suitors, but a significant premium would be required to lure away the longtime Cardinal. $225-230MM over nine years seems a fair compromise for the Cardinals and their superstar first baseman.
    2. Prince Fielder - Mariners. Fielder has the same potential suitors as Pujols, with the Brewers also a possibility. The Scott Boras client is a tough free agent to place, as there are good reasons for every team to avoid a potential $150MM+ commitment. The Mariners and Cubs are the most likely matches for me. Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik drafted Fielder in '02 with the Brewers, and his team lacks a premium bat.
    3. Jose Reyes - Brewers. Reyes is another difficult top free agent to predict. The Nationals, Braves, Phillies, Giants, Pirates, Reds, Twins, Rays, and Cardinals could have a need at shortstop, but not all of those teams can or should spend $100MM+ on Reyes. The Mets will entertain re-signing Reyes, but the Brewers seem more likely to approach Ryan Braun's speculated $120MM price range.
    4. C.J. Wilson - Nationals. Wilson's poor postseason may have damaged his stock slightly, but in his defense he racked up 250 innings over 39 starts this season in total and started 37 games in 2010. $100MM is still possible for Wilson, though 78% of MLBTR readers think he'll fall short. Front-of-the-rotation starting pitching is a big need for many teams, including the Nationals, Marlins, Royals, Blue Jays, Yankees, Red Sox, and Cubs.
    5. Yu Darvish - Blue Jays. Darvish is not technically a free agent, and in fact he hasn't even decided about being posted at this point. If he does come over from Japan, a $100MM commitment will likely be required. The Yankees, Red Sox, Rangers, Nationals, Mariners, and Royals could put in bids, and it wouldn't be surprising to see a few "mystery teams" enter the fray.
    6. Edwin Jackson - Marlins. Jackson, a Scott Boras client, could also make sense for the Nationals and several other teams looking for a 200-inning starter with upside. Since Jackson is only 28, Boras could seek a four-year deal.
    7. Jimmy Rollins - Phillies. Rollins probably won't find the five-year deal he seeks, but the Phillies have the need and the means to reach a new agreement with him.
    8. Aramis Ramirez - Orioles. Ramirez seeks a multiyear deal, and as the best available free agent third baseman he's justified. He could give the Orioles a powerful corner bat on a three-year deal.
    9. Carlos Beltran - Red Sox. Beltran is a tough player to place, if the Giants are unable to re-sign him. He's a 34-year-old Scott Boras client who's likely to seek at least three years despite significant injury concerns in 2009-10 and a disinterest in being a designated hitter. It'll take a team with a right field opening and a tolerance for risk.
    10. Jonathan Papelbon - Red Sox. I can picture the Red Sox going as high as three years and $39MM to retain Papelbon, though the closer will test the market. A half-dozen teams could seek closers this winter, but the list is short on big spenders and it's been a while since we've had a $40MM+ reliever.
    11. Michael Cuddyer - Twins. Cuddyer would fit with the Rockies, Red Sox, or Cubs, but he's spent his entire career with the Twins and may prefer to stay.
    12. Mark Buehrle - White Sox. Buehrle is another player who is difficult to picture with another club. The lefty finds the National League enticing, however, and he could join Ozzie Guillen in Miami since the Cardinals don't have an opening.
    13. David Ortiz - Blue Jays. Ortiz backed off from his comments about Red Sox drama, and there's a limited market for an expensive player with no ability to play defense. Still, he'd give Toronto's offense a nice boost without requiring more than a two-year deal. That might leave Edwin Encarnacion having to play a significant amount of first base, however.
    14. Ryan Madson - Phillies. If the Phillies don't re-sign Madson, and the Red Sox keep Papelbon, who would give Madson big money to close? As a Scott Boras client, Madson could seek a four-year deal with a salary approaching $10MM.
    15. Hiroki Kuroda - Dodgers. Kuroda doesn't want to play anywhere else, according to Dodgers GM Ned Colletti.
    16. Carlos Pena - Pirates. Pena is a nice fit for the Pirates on another one-year deal, assuming they don't re-sign Derrek Lee.
    17. Francisco Rodriguez - Marlins. K-Rod, a Scott Boras client, would like to return to the closing role on a three-year deal. The Marlins would have the opening and the money, if they non-tender Juan Carlos Oviedo.
    18. Roy Oswalt - Rangers. Oswalt could return to Texas for a winning team, and he'll require a much shorter commitment than C.J. Wilson.
    19. Javier Vazquez - Retirement. There's a strong sentiment that Vazquez will retire, but he'd be in demand if not after posting a 1.92 ERA and 6.05 K/BB ratio since mid-June.
    20. Heath Bell - Padres. Bell hopes and expects to return to the Padres, perhaps on the first multiyear deal of his career.
    21. Coco Crisp - Giants. Though he posted a low on-base percentage in 2011, Crisp could fill the Giants' need for a center fielder and leadoff man.
    22. Hisashi Iwakuma - Twins. The Twins bid on Iwakuma last year when he was posted, and this year they can simply sign him as a free agent.
    23. Kelly Johnson - Dodgers. Johnson could provide the Dodgers some offense from second base, though the Blue Jays and Tigers could also be in the mix.
    24. Josh Willingham - Reds. As one of few affordable right-handed power sources on the market, Willingham could fit with the Reds, Rockies, Indians, and others.
    25. Paul Maholm - Rockies. Though Maholm does not appear to be on the Rockies' radar at the moment, he's coming off a decent season and won't require a huge commitment.
    26. Grady Sizemore - Marlins. Sizemore is a classic risk/reward case, and the Marlins don't seem interested in playing it safe this winter.
    27. Bartolo Colon - Red Sox. Colon had an excellent comeback season, but he will still have a hard time finding a two-year deal. Perhaps he could take an incentive-based contract and remain in the AL East with the Red Sox.
    28. Erik Bedard - Blue Jays. If the Blue Jays hit on a wild card like Bedard and also land Darvish, they'd have a fearsome rotation. Bedard is a healthy free agent for the first time, and perhaps he'll lean toward his native Canada.
    29. David DeJesus - Cubs. DeJesus could be an asset for the Cubs at the outfield corners on a one-year deal.
    30. Jason Kubel - Dodgers. Kubel could improve the Dodgers' offense as their left fielder, unless they go with Jerry Sands at the position.
    31. Ramon Hernandez - Pirates. Hernandez would give the Pirates offense out of the catcher spot, though GM Neal Huntington may balk at giving up a second-round pick to sign him.
    32. Jeff Francis - Pirates. Francis is one of many starting pitchers who could add depth to the Pirates' rotation at a reasonable cost.
    33. Chris Capuano - Mariners. After subtracting Doug Fister this summer, Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik seems likely to add a piece to his rotation.
    34. Tsuyoshi Wada - Orioles. Wada is expected to come to MLB as a free agent, though one question is his ability to handle a full rotation workload.
    35. Clint Barmes - Twins. Barmes provided good value this season, and the Twins have a clear middle-infield need.
    36. Casey Kotchman - Rays. Kotchman posted a fine 2011 season after signing a minor league deal, but his price should remain reasonable as teams wonder whether he can do it again.
    37. Freddy Garcia - Yankees. Even with Sabathia in the fold, the Yankees will need additional rotation depth. Another stint with Garcia makes sense if his price remains reasonable.
    38. Aaron Hill - Diamondbacks. Hill's stellar 142 plate appearances for the Diamondbacks this year provided hope he can bounce back in 2012.
    39. Johnny Damon - Orioles. Damon probably requires a designated hitter opening, yet his level of offense doesn't justify a full-time spot. He's a difficult free agent to place.
    40. Aaron Harang - Angels. Would Harang accept a below-market deal to stay close to home?
    41. Jamey Carroll - Tigers. The versatile Carroll fits at the top of the Tigers' order, playing mostly second base.
    42. Rafael Furcal - Cardinals. The Cardinals and Furcal are known to have mutual interest in a new deal; he showed promise in his Cards stint this year.
    43. Juan Pierre - Reds. Pierre will have to take a more reduced role next year, perhaps under Dusty Baker again.
    44. Frank Francisco - Mariners. Francisco was homer-prone this year, but he's still an asset in the late innings.
    45. Jason Marquis - Mets. Marquis may have to take a one-year deal with the Mets to realize his goal of playing in New York.
    46. Joel Pineiro - Cubs. Pineiro had great success in '09 in the NL Central, and could be a bargain if he rights the ship.
    47. Jonathan Broxton - Mets. Broxton had arthroscopic surgery to remove a bone spur and loose bodies from his elbow in September and expects to be ready for Spring Training. Though he may not be the Broxton of old, I expect incentive-laden offers to be plentiful.
    48. Joe Nathan - Twins. Nathan is excited about free agency, but after so many successful years closing for the Twins he may want to return to the role full-time in 2012.
    49. Kerry Wood - Cubs. It's Cubs or retirement for Wood, and there's no reason not to bring him back.
    50. Bruce Chen - Royals. As long as Chen's price tag doesn't get excessive, he's a good fit back with the Royals.
     
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    I'd like the padres to make a run at pierre and the royal's franceour.
     
  29. BigDogsHunt

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    :shifty:
     
  30. Ray Finkle

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    Yup because that's exactly what would help that Padres offense. Two platoon players that can't get on base, but hey at least Pierre is still kind of fast (even if he gets thrown out attempting to steal way too much) but can't play defense but at least Francoeur plays a pretty good RF. Of course the grit and scrappiness that both players bring to the table might equal David Eckstein's. Hey why not sign Eckstein again?

    Seriously why would you want either player at this point in their careers?
     
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    Because we need good players who are not roadblock types of players, Rizzi was terrible in 2010 and may not be ready, we need corner OF's who can run, and Franceour had 90 rbi's for a poor Royals team.
     
  32. Ray Finkle

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    And Pierre and Francoeur are good players? Since when?

    Again regarding Rizzo he's 21 years old. He's going to be part of the solution in San Diego, I think it's fair to give him a little more time to develop and prove himself. Especially after only 153 plate appearances.
     
  33. finyank13

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    Fink you need to make a 2012 Sox thread.....lets go bucko....
     
  34. Ray Finkle

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    Haha. I don't give into peer pressure....
     
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    Smart man....leave the speculation here.....the ACTUAL news will be depressing enough when it happen to post in that future thread....:tongue2:
     
  36. Ray Finkle

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    Can't see how it can get any worse than the last 2 months. I really don't think you'll see the Sox make many big moves besides a possible re-signing of Ortiz and/or Papelbon. I don't think they're going to spend big money this off season. Most of their trades/signing will be for role players types.
     
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    finyank13 Reality Check

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    What do u see happening in right...?
     
  38. Nappy Roots

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    Farnsworth optioned picked up.

    I hope the Rays look into Furcal.
     
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    Its a gift that keeps on giving...its not over for a while....dominoes! Love it!

    Sizemore, McLouth, or Beltran (w/long term deal)....pick one for RF:tongue2:!

    will be interesting to see about Ortiz and Papelbon....dominoes are tilting...will they fall?
     
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