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***Official 2011-12 MLB HOTSTOVE OFF-SEASON THREAD***

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by BigDogsHunt, Oct 29, 2011.

  1. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Disappointing for you, not for me. I had read the Orioles had some interest but I think they were never more than a darkhorse candidate to sign him. I wouldn't have minded him coming to Baltimore.
     
  2. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Supposedly Angelos is big into fit guys not overweight ones.....that was the speculation...

    well that and he doesnt spend...
     
  3. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    It's possible Oswalt wouldn't fit in well in the AL, especially the East, so that's another possible negative on signing him.
     
  4. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The season needs to get here already.
     
  5. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Soon enough.....Pitchers and Catchers, then the fun begins.

    And small market or big market.....good FO is more important then payroll.....Moneyball nominated for best picture - what other sign do you need????

    :tongue2:
     
  6. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Clearly it wasn't the best year for movies. I kind of enjoyed the Moneyball movie but in no way should it be up for Best Picture.
     
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  7. King Felix

    King Felix chasing the high Club Member

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    m's should've got fielder
     
  8. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Rays signed Jeff Keppinger to a 1 year big league deal. Based on TB's past success of turning chicken s--t into chicken salad, I'm fully expecting Keppinger to put up Aaron Hill circa 2009 type numbers this year.
     
  9. Nappy Roots

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    I love the signing. We've been on his tail for a minute. And while he doesn't have the best #s, they are certainly better then our current SS corp.
     
  10. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    After months of reports about Yoenis Cespedes being on the verge of free agency MLB has finally announced that the 26-year-old outfielder who defected from Cuba last summer is cleared to negotiate with teams.
     
  11. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    MLB's Top 100 Prospects released : http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120125&content_id=26460152&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

    Prospect Points

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    [TD]Padres[/TD]
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    Breakdown by position


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    [TR]
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    [TR]
    [TD]2B[/TD]
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    Full 100 list : http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/index.jsp
     
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  12. Aqua4Ever04

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    I just hope this means that when Pujols is 40 (in 3 or 4 years depending on what you believe) and the Rangers lose Hamilton and MIchael Young, that we're the big dogs in the AL West with Ackley, Montero, Smoak, Carp etc.
     
  13. Aqua4Ever04

    Aqua4Ever04 Write Travis Write Club Member

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    I wish we could've had him too. But 9 years and $214 is just too much.

    I expect to be big spenders next year when Ichiro's $18 million comes off the books.
     
  14. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    The Nationals have agreed to sign free agent right-hander Brad Lidge to a one-year deal, the team announced. Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com tweets that Lidge will earn $1MM plus incentives.

    again, Nats have a nice SP and Pen mix for sure.....their D is suspect, and no Fielder, but they are heading in nice direction.
     
  15. King Felix

    King Felix chasing the high Club Member

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    ackley and carp are such gods. ackley>>>>
     
  16. Anonymous

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    Pujols isn't 37 lol
     
  17. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Texas hasn't had much difficulty building up their farm system. They seem well run and in it for the long haul.
     
  18. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    As far as we know.... Maybe he's not even Albert Pujols!
     
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  19. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    How do you know?
     
  20. Anonymous

    Anonymous Well-Known Member

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    Because until a report comes out that says he is 37, he is not 37. He is 32.
     
  21. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    Okay.
     
  22. Aqua4Ever04

    Aqua4Ever04 Write Travis Write Club Member

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    The things I've read about Monetro from scouts and analysts is that he's a 30 homerun, .900 OPS guy. Even at Safeco.

    Add that to the fact that I think Ackley is going to have an OBP of around .375 for the next 10 years, I love those two bats.

    I've also heard a lot of speculation about maybe moving the fences in. I'm indifferent about that because my favorite thing for the Mariners is still watching Felix mow down 10 batters in a complete game shutout.
     
  23. Aqua4Ever04

    Aqua4Ever04 Write Travis Write Club Member

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    Was Miguel Tejada the age that he said he was before the incriminating report came out?
     
  24. Anonymous

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    No.

    But Miguel Tejada isn't Albert Pujols.
     
  25. Aqua4Ever04

    Aqua4Ever04 Write Travis Write Club Member

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    Everything isn't always as it seems, Anonymous.

    Hell, I'm only 21 years old.



    See what I did there?
     
  26. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Crap I wanted to see Oswalt in a Sox uniform, he would have gotten beat up in the AL East, now they are going to get Jackson who will do real well....Oswalt didn't and hasnt wanted any part of the AL for the past few years now....
     
  27. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    I don't blame him, especially at the tail end of his career and gunning for a 1 year deal to prove he's healthy for a multi-year deal next year makes zero sense to head to the AL, especially the AL East. I'd actually be surprised if Jackson went to the AL too, if I were him I'd stay in the NL Central and beat up on those pathetic line ups.
     
  28. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Who knows where Oswalt or Jackson will OFFICIALLY land....But how anyone can state unequivocally that Jackson will do real well in AL let alone NL is beyond me.

    .500 career arm with 4.46 ERA across both leagues says all you need to know why he is a FA with few nibbles.

    Bottomline, with all the bats that have fled the NL, I know in Fantasy leagues or real life, arms in NL have a leg up for the most part over AL arms for sure.
     
  29. padre31

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    I like Oswalt to the Cards, I think the NL makes more sense for him as he can do the other stuff that helps pitchers win games in that league compared to the aL.
     
  30. Ray Finkle

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    I don't think anyone said Jackson will do real well in the AL or NL. But using a pitcher's win/loss and ERA to try and explain why he doesn't have a job right now, doesn't exactly help your case. Come on BigDog you're better than that.

    I think the reasons why Jackson doesn't have a job at this stage has more to do with the fact that he's a Scott Boras client (Boras almost always waits out the market) and big market teams either don't have the cash that usually do doing the offseason, teams are waiting out the market hoping to get a bargain or they don't have a need for a SP. Guys like Jeff Francis, Chris Young, Chris Capuano have jobs and I'd take Jackson over all 3 of those guys, so just because he's unsigned now doesn't mean he's unwanted or not good, Prince Fielder just signed a few days ago.

    Jackson is in no way going to be a difference maker, there really wasn't one P that was this offseason, however as a 4th or 5th starter he's not a terrible option, especially if he gives a team 180 to 200+ innings like he's been averaging the past 4 seasons.
     
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  31. Ray Finkle

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  32. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    You can say it your way, or my way, both make the key point - and it does make my case, and makes it perfectly succinct....at the end of the day, he is a .500 pitcher with +4 ERA.....he is not a Difference maker - agree add in the Boras expected/demanded $$$ contract expectations and you get why a guy like Jackson is at the end of the FA process for a valid reason. Since we agree on this, not sure why you feel I am not making a case accurately.

    Again, maybe FinYank was being sarcastic, but he seems to be in the camp that says Jackson will do real well in AL. Just pointing it out since you asked who!

    Personally, I would like to think Fin (regardless of Saux or Yanks love affair) was being sarcastic, as frankly, he probably knows at the end of the day, whether its Oswalt or Jackson, neither is really going to impact significantly - RSaux bats/D or not backing them. Facing AL bats (as Jackson showed with Det - but Oswalt has yet to battle in big sample size) they both could probably hang tough in a dozen games or so, exit early in dozen more, etc....but Oswalt has his health issues, and Jackson has his inconsistency. He is the $1M arm with .10cent head referenced in Bull Durham - since his days in the Dodgers farm system.
     
  33. Ray Finkle

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    Because you're using pitcher W/L records and ERA. Those are meaningless/misleading stats and don't accurately tell how good/bad a pitcher is. I don't think there's a front office in baseball today that looks at either of those stats anymore to make a decision on whether they should sign that player, especially W/L record.
     
  34. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    interdasting
     
  35. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I am not using only those stats, I was summing things up using them....same as your generic statement "he isn't a difference maker" as it too covers any and all the stats used to arrive at that conclusion. I simply "nutshelled" his reality at the most generic level as to why he is not viewed as a difference maker.

    Regardless, its why I argued against the claim that he would do real well in AL even w/Boston.
     
  36. padre31

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    What would Fielder leaving in the offseason have to do with attendance during the season? Ditto Braun failing a steroids test after the season was over, while having a MVP season during it?

    Brewers also have been a good team the last 3 yrs or so, and were willing to make moves like trading for CC Sabathia for a stretch run, whereas teams like the Padres, can make no stretch moves, teams like the Rays win, yet cannot fill a phone booth at their stadium etc.

    And keep in mind RF, that is stuff for the offseason, each yr is a new yr, it is also the job of fans to have some optimism as the season moves closer to beginning there is a difference between arguing over the structure of MLB and just enjoying the season.

    Also will say the shrinking of little league programs across the country is far more ominous then MLB's cost structures.
     
  37. Ray Finkle

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    Losing one of your best players while your other best player might be out for 50 games is a pretty negative thing don't you think? Yet the fans are still buying tickets. And yes you're helping make my point that winning will bring the fans out even while losing their superstar players (Sabathia, Fielder). They have built up good will by winning and the fans are responding. Again winning will bring out more fans than signing a single player or multiple players in the long run.

    As for the Rays we touched on this subject a million times. They play in the worst stadium in the MLB and the location is extremely difficult to get too. However their TV and radio ratings have been going up each year so the fans, while not actually going to games, are watching and following the team. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule and it is possible that good teams won't draw no matter what because of the location of their ball parks and on the flip side some bad teams no matter what will always draw because of the fan base.

    And yes I agree the MLB needs to do a much better job at marketing the game towards the younger generation.
     
  38. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    yeah ah no....2 words...

    Scott Boras....
     
  39. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    This....I should have read before I posted 2X in a row....:lol:
     
  40. finyank13

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    Thing is BDH, who gets paid on what they did 5 years ago anymore? I mean at best it establishes durability I get that, but for a pitcher they use what maybe 2-3 years previous as guideline....if thats the case he has a sub-4 ERA since 09....maybe it shows he is learning how to pitch as he is getting older IDK...

    Difference maker no, awesome deal on a 1 yr deal, absolutely because that dude will win ballgames on the right team....alla the Sox...Wins are basically determined on how much run support you get, look at Cliff Lee for example, his W-L record wasnt good on Cleveland, but look at his numbers and they tell an entirely different story...

    All I am saying is this BDH....

    Jackson>Oswalt and by miles to me....I am begging to see the Sox sign Oswalt...BEGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGING AND PRAYYYYYYYYYYYYYINGGGGGGGGGG AND WISHHHHHHHHHHHONG UPON A STARRRRRRRRRRRRR

    Edwin Jackson in the 4 hole on the Red Sox would be a nightmare match-up....
     

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