****Official 2012 MIAMI MARLINS Thread****

I think we have a similar enough view on him really. He's come a long way from a few years ago.

I just think he'd be more valuable playing every where, as opposed to just one position. Not unlike the what the Gators and Vikings do with Percy Harvin. He could play RB or WR full time and be effective, but he can do more, so let him.

"Mainge wrote:

I think we have a similar enough view on him really. He's come a long way from a few years ago.

I just think he'd be more valuable playing every where, as opposed to just one position. Not unlike the what the Gators and Vikings do with Percy Harvin. He could play RB or WR full time and be effective, but he can do more, so let him.

That's fine with me. But he needs to be in the lineup to do it. Which is why I think him being on the DL is bad overall, even if his production can be temporarily replaced.

Not great, but valuable.

I'm not sure that makes sense, though.

"BlameItOnTheHenne wrote:

Not great, but valuable.

I'm not sure that makes sense, though.

Boni stole two bases in the time it took you to write this post. :lol:

"Desides wrote:

That's fine with me. But he needs to be in the lineup to do it. Which is why I think him being on the DL is bad overall, even if his production can be temporarily replaced.

I'm not disagreeing at all. I'd much rather have Boni than not have him.

I was just saying that if you gave me the choice last week to pick two starters to lose for a few weeks, I'd pick Gaby and Boni.

"Mainge wrote:

I'm not disagreeing at all. I'd much rather have Boni than not have him.

I was just saying that if you gave me the choice last week to pick two starters to lose for a few weeks, I'd pick Gaby and Boni.

I think I'd rather lose LoMo than Boni. But Boni would be the third starter I'd swap out.

Bonifacio being undervalued here IMO. I wouldn't want to lose him for any extended period of time. He has the third highest average on the team, has been drawing walks, and every time he steals a base he is eliminating the need to be moved up. He basically turns a walk into a double.

"Alex44 wrote:

Bonifacio being undervalued here IMO. I wouldn't want to lose him for any extended period of time. He has the third highest average on the team, has been drawing walks, and every time he steals a base he is eliminating the need to be moved up. He basically turns a walk into a double.

Fact. Opposing pitchers begin looking to pick him off as soon as he gets to the batter's circle. True story.Fact. Joey Espada will often admits not being able to spot him for the Stop signal at times; only upon Bonifacio's arrival at home plate does he see him.

"lmeister3 wrote:

Fact. Opposing pitchers begin looking to pick him off as soon as he gets to the batter's circle. True story.Fact. Joey Espada will often admits not being able to spot him for the Stop signal at times; only upon Bonifacio's arrival at home plate does he see him.

Where the hell did you get your avatar? I love it :lol:

"Alex44 wrote:

Bonifacio being undervalued here IMO. I wouldn't want to lose him for any extended period of time. He has the third highest average on the team, has been drawing walks, and every time he steals a base he is eliminating the need to be moved up. He basically turns a walk into a double.

Nah. Couple things here:

1) Please don't ever use batting average as a meaningful stat by itself. I'll drive me crazy.

2) His average was powered by a crazy high unsustainable BABIP which has come down to a less crazy number now. He's batting .246 over the last 34 games. His strikeout numbers really aren't conducive to a high average so that's not going to rise significantly. He's definitely a nice player to have around but I'm not undervaluing him at all. I'm not saying I want to lose him, but yeah, I'd absolutely rather lose him than everyone else other than Gaby.

"Mainge wrote:

Nah. Couple things here:

1) Please don't ever use batting average as a meaningful stat by itself. I'll drive me crazy.

2) His average was powered by a crazy high unsustainable BABIP which has come down to a less crazy number now. He's batting .246 over the last 34 games. His strikeout numbers really aren't conducive to a high average so that's not going to rise significantly. He's definitely a nice player to have around but I'm not undervaluing him at all. I'm not saying I want
to lose him, but yeah, I'd absolutely rather lose him than everyone else other than Gaby.

As a tool by itself no AVG is not a good indicator, but when everyone else on your team for whatever reason isn't hitting as well/lucky as you are, it means you are valuable. His OBP isn't horrible either. At .351 he's getting on base 1-3 and with his speed that plays a huge role in the game.

If I had to lose a guy long term off the roster sure maybe he would be one of the first, but for the time being he is huge for this ballclub. Just my 2 cents.

"Alex44 wrote:

As a tool by itself no AVG is not a good indicator, but when everyone else on your team for whatever reason isn't hitting as well/lucky as you are, it means you are valuable. His OBP isn't horrible either. At .351 he's getting on base 1-3 and with his speed that plays a huge role in the game.

As I stated earlier, his OBP is .307 since after the first two weeks. His OBP is being powered by a pretty high BABIP. He's just a limited player.

"Mainge wrote:

As I stated earlier, his OBP is .307 since after the first two weeks. His OBP is being powered by a pretty high BABIP. He's just a limited player.

A limited player who has been a key cog so far. That is my point. Not that he is a world beater, but that he has been important to our success so far.

"Alex44 wrote:

A limited player who has been a key cog so far. That is my point. Not that he is a world beater, but that he has been important to our success so far.

I don't disagree.

"Mainge wrote:

I don't disagree.

We are on the same page then :lol:

I agree in a perfect world he's a utility player you spot anywhere to give guys a rest without losing too much production. A pinch runner, a pinch hitter to start a rally, so on.

Right, I just don't think I've undervalued him.

I like Mainge's idea of him being a Super utility player. I like Boni but when you strike out as much as he does while hitting for now power I don't think you are that valuable. His OBP is nice but like Mainge said, doesn't seem sustainable and hasn't been since the middle of April.

I would think during the Off season we should be looking for a replacement but I dont think Beinfest would agree.

"Mainge wrote:

Right, I just don't think I've undervalued

I don't think youve undervalued his individual performance or potential, just how important he's been so far

What Marlins Forums do you guys go to?

"finsincebirth wrote:

What Marlins Forums do you guys go to?

The only one worth going to is www.soflamarlins.com

Be warned though, we like to pick on newcomers for fun. Especially if you say anything silly. Don't take it personally though because after you get through "initiation," everyone is incredibly knowledgeable and you'll learn a lot.

Holy ****, holy ****. That was an amazing hit. Stanton with the curtain call.

I just came

Oh my...

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