Well this is it, but let me start from the beginning.
Once upon a time, about 1-1/2 years ago we were entereing the draft in a very good position (9th overall) to really help a beleagured team. We had many spots to fill and the talent pool ran pretty darn deep that year.
Many of us really wanted Brady Quinn, and after all, Mel Kiper absolutely KNEW that is who we were gonna pick if he was still there....I knew we wouldnt be picking him, and I was okay with that.
In my mind, the key to turning things around was by addressing a position that the Dolphins have been prolific at since the Dolphins traded for Nicholas Anthony Buoniconti from the Patriots in 1969.
The others on that list include John Offerdahl, and of course Zachary Michael Thomas, both of which could well have the opportunity to become HOF'ers...of course Buoniconti already is.
I knew our Defense was really starting to sag, and it was obvious Zack's best days were well behind him, so I started to research entering the draft. One kid stood head and shoulders above the rest, Patrick Willis out of Ole Miss. I wanted this kid like many at FH wanted Quinn, and I absolutely KNEW we would get him if he was still there at 9....:pity:
Well, it got even worse last year as Pat Willis went on to become DPOY (I knew it, I knew it....) for the 49ers, meanwhile-
We did indeed take Teddy Ginn at that 9 spot.
WR Was NOT a position I thought we needed to address that highly, especially to a kid that was EXTREMELY raw as a WR, really relied on nothing but speed, looked tentative going into crowds and perhaps even worse was still recovering from a Les-Franc injury, which can take years to recover from...... I was far from okay with this pick.
Going into Preseason, we didnt get to see much of Ginn as he was still recovering from the injury, and he played sparing last year, mostly as a returner, although he did end up with 34 receptions and 2 touchdowns. He of course has also had a handful of kick-offs returned for TD's called back due to Penalties.
Well, as recent as 3 weeks ago, I have been in here stating Ginn would be trade fodder due to the new regime and how they do business, without further ado, I am officially re-negging that claim.
Ginn has been very solid, especially in games against both Buffalo and San Diego where he had 7 receptions in each game, and most importantly, in our last two games both of which have been very very close games, he has scored a TD and been the difference.
Many have suggested he is very Santana Moss like, well, I have never been that high on Moss.
I think Ted Ginn is very...well Ted Ginn like, and the more he learns and grows as a WR, so do our chances as a team. He will probably never put up incredible numbers, or be talked about in the same realm as Terrible Owens, Randy-pants Moss or Ocho- Stinko, but I am okay with that.
Ginn is indeed starting to look like another player I once admired.. and that is none other than one Paul Dryden Warfield. :yes:. The physical stature is almost identicle although Warfield was is an inch taller.
They are both credited with having very good hands, great speed and fluidity. Both were very good "Quality" guys and were considered quiet leaders.
I have come to the conclusion that this pick was far from a bust, although I would still love to have Pat Willis.
As Ginn goes, I think the rest of the offense goes. He can single handedly demand the best cover-corner from each team, and that frees up whoever is playing opposite. Teams will have to plan to keep the ball out of his hands, and when you have that, you have a great offensive weapon.
So, I AZFINFANMANG am officially eating Crow in regards to Ted Ginn, and I hope you all go easy on me.
GO PHINS....
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Well, I don't know about eating crow, I never called him a bust, I just stated he has not done anything and it was time to put up or get splinters on the bench.
And to his credit, a light has seemed to come on, he has played very well.
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Dont think you need to eat crow just yet, while he has shown flashes hes not anyone elses #1 wideout for the most part.
Hes been doing better and I like him on special teams alot more than bess.
He needs to be in the game every game. He makes some good catches but we might not see him again for 3 games the way it's been going..
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Great post azfin, and I'm with you, I've also been extremely down on that Ginn pick the whole way. Here's to hoping he continues to prove us wrong!:woot:
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It's really not as much that he disappears, it's a combination of two things IMO:
A: Our scheme doesnt include him for whatever reason,
B: He is being taken away with defensive schemeing, which of course always opens the door for other guys to show up, and so far this is working pretty darn well for us.
Once again, he wont ever be Randy-Pants or Ocho-Stinko, but he brings other things, and great attitude is one. The thing he does include with those is, you better have a defender between him and the goal-line on every occasion. :up: -
WHY THE HELL did Greg wait till week 5 to have his little talk with Teddy-G
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Welcome to the Ginn family Kenny! :bighug:
There is a spot for you at the Thanksgiving Day table. :wink2:cnc66 likes this. -
I've been a bit critical.. I'll eat a small side of jeezum crow.. impressive 4th down catch..
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Ditto. I threw up in my mouth alittle bit when he ran out of bounds in that San Diego game.
I thought the guy was too soft to become the player this team needed, hopefully he's well on his way to proving me wrong.FiN.in.RI likes this. -
I'm one of the biggest Ginn supporters on this site and I'm thrilled that he is playing well. It's great to see all the doubters...not just you guys here but others in the media as well give him the credit he deserves for getting involved as much as he has.
That being said, he needs to keep working and getting better. If he does that, he will be a great player.like2god likes this. -
Mmm. Crow for breakfast, yum!
I know folks say WRs typically take 3 years to develop, but I believe that they have to make strides from year to year. I've been saying for a while that I wanted to see Ginn come up with 57 catches, 908 yards, an 6 TDs. Those are pretty high expectations.
Through 10 games Ginn is on pace for 61 catches, 813 yards, and 2 TDs.
When looking at those numbers, that's better second year production than Lee Evans, Reggie Wayne, Roy Williams, or Santana Moss. It's very similar production to Braylon Edwards.
Think about that for a minute.
I believe Ginn's game to be similar to Evans, Wayne, and Moss ... and he's exceeding all of them. He's also outpacing some young #1 receivers in Roy Williams and Braylon Edwards.
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Well, eating crow might have to be reserved for those teams that passed on Ginn, rather than fans of our beloved Fins, but...I agree with your assessment of Ginn with one exception...
Ginn would be amazing for us if we did have a TO, Ocho Cinco, or much preferably a Anquan Boldin type opposite number to complement...this offense with such a WR, would allow Ginn to do what he's best at and that's catch the ball and get YACs...that would be something to watch...
But, I too, have to eat a little crow...I was just glad they didn't take Quinn, so anyone would have been alright with me...then Cam just totally misused the young WR last year getting him off to a much slower start than you'd expect from a #9 pick...jason8er and azfinfanmang like this. -
I'm so happy for Ted and the fact that hes on our team. I, for one don't want him to be a TO, Ocho stinko, or anyother wideout that is not a team player. When he ran in for that first score I was just as excited as if it had been Paul or any of our other WRs from the past who became housewhole names for us. Way to go Teddy!!:up::up:
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welcome to the Ginn side :evil:
hes only going to get better too... we just need to find ways to get the ball in his hands more, because he is showing he can do big things for us if we do that...azfinfanmang likes this. -
I thought he was going to be a bust. I'm thrilled that I look to be very wrong.
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Hey, thanks for eating crow.
Now put the crow down and get ready to watch him blow by the NE defenders :up:cnc66 and azfinfanmang like this. -
Save some crow for me as well...I have had my doubts, and thought he might be traded. I still think we need another big fast WR to take pressure off Ginn, then we will see what this kid can really do.
it should be fun thats for sure.azfinfanmang likes this. -
You know, I actually really appreciate this... I've been by Ginn's side since day one, I've always liked the kid. I was surprised that we selected him, I really was... I seen Quinn was still on the board and just thought "he's our pick..." but nope...
I'll admit I'm wrong with many things, I was wrong about the Jake Long selection... I was very iffy that he could play left tackle in the NFL but so far he's proven me wrong. I know I can be stubborn as hell with my opinion, like many here, but I'll admit I'm wrong when I'm wrong...
Trust me, I know how Kenny is stubborn. I've had my fair share of arguments with him over the Ted Ginn debate among other things... When you man up and can admit your mistakes, that deems some respect.
Ginn still has a ways to go, but so far I think we can take him out of the 'bust' category... This kid is looking good, on the field and off. I just love his attitude and quite frankly, I love all our receivers because they just work well together.
You bring in someone like Kenny Britt out of Rutgers and man... Britt, Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess? I'm liking that...cnc66, azfinfanmang, calphin and 1 other person like this. -
We're all Dolphin fans and despite how frustrated some of us may be, we ALL want what's best for this team (which, undoubtedly in this case, is Ginn playing like a top 10 pick).
I couldn't be happier that he's proving me a wrong a game at a time. We're going to need him in a big way this Sunday against NE.azfinfanmang and GridIronKing34 like this. -
Ginn has admitted that he has a learning disability, and it takes him two to three times longer to learn something than most others. After being diagnosed in the eighth grade, Ginn had tutors to help him and graduated middle and high school with honors.
Ted Ginn, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It is one thing to have a learning disability, and another thing entirely to come to terms with it.
It takes somebody very special to turn that same disability into doing the work involved to graduate with Honors. Even if only at jr High and High School, that is where the Peer Pressure would have to be intense to just blow it off and be cool...
Thanks for the Props Mat, now then, what shall we debate next? :tongue2:GridIronKing34 likes this. -
While it says a lot about Ginn and while he might just develop into the kind of player Cameron envisioned, it also says a lot about the former FOs competence. You don't draft a WR with a learning disability 9th overall. You simply don't. You can love the kid all you want, you don't shell out a top 10 pick for a guy with a learning disability. Grasping the playbook fast is such an enormous factor in today's game for a rookie (see Jason Allen's initial and continuing struggles) that you simply can't take that risk with a must-hit selection. -
Put a little seasoning and olive oil on that Crow AZ, 'cause I'm going to need to share a bit of that bird with ya. Happy to do it, glad we're starting to see in him what CamRan saw. Might be the best thing those two did for us (Beck excluded, not ready to say they were wrong about Beck yet, but sure will take the two Chads over Beck any day now, sorry John).
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It just goes to show you how hard he works on and off the field to become a better player. He's got a tremendous work ethic.azfinfanmang likes this. -
I wanted us to draft Quinn, and I still wish we did. That said, Ginn is proving he may well yet be worthy of his draft status. Not proven it yet, but he's potentially on the way. You at least get the feeling he's headed in the right direction finally, and is a bit of a play-maker! That more than anything means his future value to the team could be immeasurable.
Now, if Brady Quinn goes on to be the next perennial Pro Bowl QB .... :tantrum: ... but at least we'll have Ginn making plays for us to numb the pain a bit. Winning doesn't hurt either! :wink2:jdang307 likes this. -
See that's why I just go ahead and support every single player, especially when they are down (Joey P, Porter, J. Allen etc.).
If you are wrong, well you're just supporting your team. If you're right, well you look like a damn Nostradamus.GridIronKing34, finsmx and DolfanTom like this. -
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Chad was actually the one guy I was kinda down on. But it was all selfish. I wanted some explosion from our passing game, and that best was served by a stronger armed QB. I never thought he wouldnt play well, I just like the pizazz and flash of down the field passing :D
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Teddy Dangerous {my new one for him}, Mach 19 or Ted Ginzu is becoming very lethal..
I love him on our sideline waving the flag, the kid has a great perspective on this game, great work ethic combioned with having fun...the best part is he's a TRUE DOLPHIN.
I said we would draft him, we did and i knew he would be great...no crow for me on ted. but i respect your gesture AZazfinfanmang and cnc66 like this. -
You know, I don't understand the theory of hating an ex rival player in our uniform.
I hate teams, not players.. well. most of the time. There are some guys I can't stand but I digress.
If we take player x from team y in our division then either a)we're trying to stick it to them or b) they're incredibly dumb for letting a talented guy go.
In my mind converting someone from rags to riches is the best opportunity we can give the pour soul. :up: -
That's harsh Ven. You completely ignore the hard work and success he attained even WITH learning issues. That he continually works to overcome it says very good things about this kid. He is a workaholic, and is very determined. To take pot shots about a disability you know nothing about is lame bro. My father had dyslexia so bad he had repeat back things like the Navy to make sure he got it right. It was severe. He told me once he had NEVER read a book for pleasure his whole life the dyslexia was so bad. When he took the nationwide Captains test for Police officers, he was the highest score for nearly ten years.. He had a handicap that he overcame.. just like Ginn. Having a learning disability doesn't make you stupid, or a bad risk if you've shown the ability and determination to overcome it.
I think we absolutely did the right thing by picking him, I have been in his court from day one and I'm glad that the doubters are coming around, and the haters are running out of ammo.azfinfanmang likes this. -
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Go ted! Go fins!!!
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Ego boosters for the Ginn supporters! :wink2:
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