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**Official Franchise Expansion Game Thread**

Discussion in '2012 GM League Forum' started by schisno, Feb 16, 2012.

  1. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    Here is our randomized order:
    http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/a7xskater00/randomizer_1.jpg
    http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/a7xskater00/randomizer_2.jpg
    http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/a7xskater00/randomizer_3.jpg

    Draft Order for the group who originally had #33

    #33 GridIronKing34, #34 BuckeyeKing, #35 ToddsPhins, #36 Paul,

    Draft Order for the group who originally had #34

    #37 Skeet84, #38 Boik14, #39 Big E, #40 Fin-Omenal

    The draft order for the rest of the draft in a snaking order (Round 2 to 7)


    (Round 2)

    #41 Paul 13, #42 ToddsPhins, #43 Big E, #44 Boik14, #45 BuckeyeKing, #46 GridIronKing34, #47 Skeet84, #48 Fin-Omenal

    In between we go through the website draft ratings then into the next round.

    (Round 3)

    Fin-Omenal, Skeet84, GridIronKing34, BuckeyeKing, Boik14, Big E, ToddsPhins, Paul 13

    (and ect...)
     
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  2. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    So I don't get first pick in round 2? So I just let everyone know I picked Weeden. **** .
     
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  3. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    I can do one of several things depending on how everyone agrees.

    1. Weeden is off the board and drafted to everyone's team, proceed from "#33" like normal
    2. GiK and BuckeyeKing swap #33, #34 as BuckeyeKing did already draft Weeden.
    3. Everyone drafts #33, #34 for their pairings as normal and then we proceed from #35 in the order that is randomized.
     
  4. Skeet84

    Skeet84 New Member

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    Lol I already know Griddles is taking Weeden so you really got ****ed
     
  5. Skeet84

    Skeet84 New Member

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    Just have it play out the way you currently do.
     
  6. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Option 2. I drafted based on having the 33rd pick. It ****s my team over.
     
  7. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    If they didn't catch it before, they did now. :lol:



    I'm not picking him so you don't have to worry about me. :shifty:




    #33 GIK
    #34 BK
    #35 TP
     
  8. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    Alright, this is my final decision (next year it won't have this problem.)

    #33, #34 goes as plan. These are the last picks in ROUND ONE. You have to remember because you guys are expansion teams the first round now consists of 34 picks as does round 2-7.

    Draft order: (Round 2: Picks 1-8)
    #35 GridIronKing34
    #36 BuckeyeKing
    #37 ToddsPhins
    #38 Paul
    #39 Skeet84
    #40 Boik14
    #41 Big E
    #42 Fin-Omenal


    (Picks Round 2: 9-16)
    #43 Paul 13
    #44 ToddsPhins
    #45 Big E
    #46 Boik14
    #47 BuckeyeKing
    #48 GridIronKing34
    #49 Skeet84
    #50 Fin-Omenal

    In between rounds from here on out, I remove players ranked between rounds.

    There is no further debate on this issue. I have to make a ruling at this point.
     
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  9. Skeet84

    Skeet84 New Member

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    Now your changing the rules to benefit one player? Wtf! Just leave it the way you originally planned and fix it next year.
     
  10. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I dont mind the alteration because he's right, 33 & 34 are the end of round 1, not the beginning of round 2.

    Plus this adds 1 more player to each roster and allows us to have a little more talent.
     
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  11. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    I'm not changing the rules. What you need to understand is that originally I was only going to have you guys draft the first rounder.

    Like how you drafting your expansion team had no bearing on other matchups. However people wanted to find a way to draft the full 7 rounds. What I am doing here is going with the original plan, and adding the addition of further rounds to the 2012 rookie draft.

    So originally there could have been four teams drafting Weeden at their respective #33 selections.

    What the judges would look at is how the team you built from the expansion draft might suit Brandon Weeden.

    I'm letting that work the way it was intended to. In addition to that to allow you guys to make your teams a little more different then each others I am extending the draft. In no way am I changing the rules to benefit one GM.
     
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  12. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I was just going to say to be fair for everyone if we remove Weeden from being picked and go from there. I'm sure I'm not the only one that drafted based off the first pick in the draft.
     
  13. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Drafting Weeden doesn't automatically grant anyone the gift certificate; it could mean the Weeden holder finishes last if his team isn't built properly in the judges' eyes.

    Like Schis said, we're 2 expansion teams, so if this were a real NFL draft, one team from each division would be stuck w/o him and have to deal with it. Personally, I'm not taking him at 33 b/c I wouldn't take him at 33 if I owned an NFL team, so the whole Weeden thing is a little insignificant IMO.
     
  14. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Added to my above post, if we really want to be fair about it, the teams that pick #34 should be the first list in the randomizer. Even though this hurts me b/c I love my draft spots, it's more fair.

    So the only thing that needs to be done is a re-randomization. Sorry, Schis. lol.

    Pick #33 & #34 stay like the very original page 1 plan. Whomever had pick 33 still has it. Ditto for 34.


    picks 35-38 randomized using the team that picked #34.
    picks 39-42 randomized using team picking #33.

    picks 43-46 randomized using #33 teams.
    Picks 47-50 randomized using #34 teams.


    Picks 51-58 randomized using all 8 teams.
    Picks 59-66 reverse order from above.

    Continue snaking till we're done.
     
  15. Skeet84

    Skeet84 New Member

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    Expansion teams get the 1st and 2nd overall picks. Why aren't we doing that?
     
  16. Skeet84

    Skeet84 New Member

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    Agreed.
     
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  17. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    At this point, in these respective brackets...

    (As originally planned)
    GridIronKing34 drafts #33, Big E follows and drafts his #34
    BuckeyeKing drafts #33 (Brandon Weeden), Skeet84 follows and drafts his #34
    ToddsPhins drafts #33, Fin-Omenal follows and drafts his #34
    Paul drafts #33, Boik14 follows and drafts his #34

    I remove the players drafted #33, #34 by everyone (it could be only two players, it could be eight.)

    Once they are removed we move onto the addition because a) its fun, because people love to draft. b) it gives you team a point where you can differentiate.
    Everything at this point was randomized as I have shown with my links. So all I need now are your #33, #34 picks.
     
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  18. ToddsPhins

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    So basically each team picks from Luck or Griffin? That could be fun since they're different skill sets. That would solve the QB issue in a hurry, especially since they're going 1-2 in the actual NFL draft. Orrrr, the team picking 2nd could pass on Griffin if they like and take Weeden with their 34 pick. That allows for some strategy b/c they'd have an elite player to choose from and then Weeden as their QB.

    I think I like this way, too. Shis probably doesn't. :lol:

    But at this point, I could care less which way we go. It's all in good fun.
     
  19. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    If I had planned on doing the expansion draft before I knew the Colts had the #1 pick, I would have made it that everyone had the chance to draft #1 and #2 respectively. However we are doing this well after the season, instead of having it preplanned. That's the major reason. So in August if I come asking for GMs again you'll get the #1, #2 respectively because we'll be so far away from really knowing who coming out and who isn't.
     
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  20. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I think the mattered is settled. Though I think TP is right Teams picking 33 shouldn't pick ahead of teams 34 for the next selections.
     
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  21. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    I don't think you can remove those players b/c that might take away a small handful of significant players from round 2 that should normally be available b/c removing them would basically mean we'd have the potential of a 40 pick 1st round (32 NFL teams + 8 of us) which screws up the beginning of the 2nd round b/c we only have 34 NFL teams. That means up to 6 guys could disappear from the top of round 2, which seems like nothing, but is actually a big deal.
     
  22. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    Alright everyone will be re-randomized together. This is the end of anything else to be said. Everyone agree?
     
  23. Skeet84

    Skeet84 New Member

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    I think they meant that people who draft at 34 should be able to all draft before people who draft at 33. Then the next set all 8 randomized
     
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  24. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    #33 to #40 will be randomized with every GM in the league as part of the randomized group. We will then do a snake order from that group.
     
  25. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    yup.

    picks 35-38 randomized using the team that picked #34.
    picks 39-42 randomized using team picking #33.

    picks 43-46 randomized using #33 teams.
    Picks 47-50 randomized using #34 teams.


    Picks 51-58 randomized using all 8 teams.
    Picks 59-66 reverse order from above.

    Continue snaking till we're done.
     
  26. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Wait no no Schi everything is FINE you have it perfect the way it is I was just looking out for the next round of selections.
     
  27. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Yeah this. Schisno don't randomize the whole thing.
     
  28. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    The reason people were picking at #33 were randomized in that group first was because like I've told you before...

    I randomized who would pick first in the expansion draft out of the pairing, and whoever got the second pick automatically got the #33 pick because the other person already had an advantage.

    Paul got #33, because Boik got first pick out of the two. So both had an advantage that equaled out.

    That's where the whole #33 group was randomized together.
     
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  29. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Not trying to step on toes,
    but IMHO here's the best, easiest, and least confusing way to do it, and the best way for the future.


    1st Round (starts like a normal draft)
    Original #33 teams now pick #1 overall. (GIK, BK, TP, Paul)
    Original #34 teams pick #2. (Boik, FinO, Skeet, E)

    *** Two kickers to make it more intersting:
    1. The person drafting #1 has the option of letting #2 go first; if #2 accepts, they switch draft positions in the 2nd round as compensation but only in picks 35-42.
    2. ANYONE not wanting RG3 with their #2 pick is capable of using their first 2nd round selection on Weeden (as like a default pick). This means WE ALL can use our first 2nd rounder on Weeden (e.g: he can be drafted by up to 8 teams if need be). Every other drafted player (not named Weeden) is removed from the board as normal. Make sense?***



    2nd Round (all players not in Casserly's draft)
    picks 35-38 randomized using #2 picking teams. (Boik, FinO, Skeet, E)
    picks 39-42 randomized using #1 teams. (GIK, BK, TP, Paul)
    (To recap, anyone can take Weeden here if they want. If not, then take who you want and he's removed from the draft board)
    picks 43-46 randomized using #1 teams. (GIK, BK, TP, Paul)
    Picks 47-50 randomized using #2 teams.(Boik, FinO, Skeet, E)

    3rd Round (Players ranked 60+ on NFLdraftscout.com big board)
    Picks 51-58 randomized using all 8 teams.
    Picks 59-66 snaked.

    4th Round (Players ranked 90+)
    Picks 67-74 snaked

    5th Round (Players ranked 120+)
    Picks 75-82 snaked

    6th Round (Players ranked 150+)

    Picks 83-90 all randomized.

    That's:
    -8 draft picks, bringing us to a max of 22 players on each team.
    -1 Franchise player (you can't have a new franchise and not have a franchise player, that would suck.lol).
    - enough 2nd & 3rd round stuff to help fortify your team, compliment your franchise guy, or what have you.
    - enough to help create a unique identity which provides judges a greater ability to assess us and do so more accurately.
     
  30. Big E

    Big E Plus sized porn star

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    holy hell what did I miss? 300 posts? Give me a rough draft.
     
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  31. Fin-Omenal

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    Thee...Ohio State University

    Look at ya, taking a fun game and f**king it up.
     
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  32. Boik14

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    11th round: RB Mike Goodson $565,000
     
  33. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Schisno, Im sorry I even suggested the draft pick idea back on page 2. :lol:

    If we're going to do it, I think proceeding with 33/34 as planned makes sense. Then after that for 35-43 you just throw all 8 of us in a randomizer and then it snakes the rest of the way. Plain and simple.
     
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  34. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    Paul sent me a bulletin list.

    With their 11th pick the LA Express select Ben Obomanu WR 2000000
     
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  35. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    this... gotta keep 33/34 the way it was.
     
  36. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    I think that was my final decision, I can't remember since it was about 4 am and I just decided :sleeping:


    Anyways.

    I wanted to do an expansion league because I love doing the GM League, and I hate the little lulls we hit waiting for FA or waiting for the draft and because I wanted to do something different that doesn't take a whole lot of time, I figured this was going to be short and sweet and maybe take a week instead of a few months. I thought it was a really cool idea.

    Now there came a moment where we could extend one of the best parts of any league, THE DRAFT but I went about it the wrong way. Only because I'm fixing things for a league that came into existence only a few days ago, well the idea any ways. I think at this point one aspect of it got too over complicated because I allowed it to veer off and change too much.

    I want this to be a quick and simple, draft the best expansion team you can and give yourself a franchise face with the first round.

    The idea of differentiating the teams with a different rookie class appealed to me, makes for more points for our voters to decide on.

    With that said, #33/34s will go as I had planned. These are your face of the franchise players. Once everyone drafts their #33/34s I will take the collective 8 of you and randomize you ALL together to decide your picks for an additional 7 picks.

    #35-#42, #43-#50 is giving everyone a chance to grab 2 players from the second round. Then 1 player here on after.

    I want to make this fun, fair and simple and in my mind this is the best way to do it.

    Once everyone completes their expansion draft and drafts their #33 or #34 I will randomize your draft order and we will proceed.

    Thank you.
     
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  37. Big E

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    Can I just draft a team and face myself...or somethin...
     
  38. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    The pick is on you right now, page one shows both you and GiK have drafted one each, remember it's alternating. GiK told me after about 12 he should be near a computer without any problems.
     
  39. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    You'll be fine, just don't read any of Todd's posts. :couch:
     
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  40. schisno

    schisno Well-Known Member

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    Remember when I paired you guys into head to head battles, I created 4 separate timelines. Let's not go into the dark timeline

    [video=youtube;czB15w8KqnM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czB15w8KqnM[/video]

    When we get back into pick #35 we'll all enter the Prime timeline.
     
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