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Official ***Steelers and Phins Gameday Thread***

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    naw. He had a lane to escape to and Ajayi is blocking #92 and gets turned around and pushed/runs into Moore and he knocks it out of Moores hand.
     
  2. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    The pass pro overall was hot garbage yesterday. Those guys took a serious step back.
     
  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    That's different from me saying that Moore was trying to leave the pocket how?

    Moore should not have fumbled that ball. The fumble is absolutely not on Ajayi.
     
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  4. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Because he knocked it out. If you don't want to blame Jay that's fine but you can't blame Moore from his own teammate running into them and then knocking it out with his own hands. Yes the QB should not have fumbled. And if Jay doesn't turn around and Elbow or forearm the ball elbow or forearm it would have been a sack only.
     
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  5. Rocky Raccoon

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    The issue with that second fumble was Moore was trying to throw while being sandwiched by a defender and Ajayi. You can see him **** his arm back. He should have just ate it and taken the sack.

    EDIT: Just watched it again. Maybe he wasn't trying to throw it but that's still poor ball security.
     
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  6. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    It was horrible awareness and he most definitely wasn't trying to throw it...Both of his fumbles were atrocious and his INT was bad.
     
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  7. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    The argument you're getting as a rebuttal for that sack is a joke. Matt had been averaging 2.51 seconds getting the ball out since he's been playing. On that play not even 2 seconds came off the clock and the pass rush from both ends (Mike Mitchell was running free) had already forced him back up in the pocket. Then James Harrison literally destroys Jay Ajayi launching him like a ragdoll at MM8 as he was trying to climb the pocket.

    It's right there ..... look at Harrison in the 2nd and 3rd pictures. He hasn't moved one inch but Ajayi is 2 yards back into Matt's face. The f- is the guy supposed to do? Jump over Ajayi or permeate thru him like Slimer from Ghosbusters?

    http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017010800/2016/POST18/dolphins@steelers#menu=gameinfo|contentId:0ap3000000771467&tab=videos

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  8. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Matt Moore just put up a 97.8 passer rating....


    Ahhhhh "stats"..
     
  9. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    They only matter ..... when they matter to a certain someone. :chuckle:
     
  10. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I don't think anyone is questioning the sack...it's the fumble. What he was supposed to do is not fumble.
     
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  11. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    And if not for his 3 (really horrible) turnovers we would have won this game too...

    Again, can't cherry pick. Turnovers are also "stats"
     
  12. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I could cherry pick and make some people look like they know what they're talking about.

    Even when they cherry pick stats in order to make a case that stats don't matter. haha
     
  13. jdang307

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    But it's being painted as Moore's fault. Jay knocked it out with his forearm and then dances with Moore while Moore is trying to get it back. Quite amusing to watch actually
     
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  14. resnor

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    Do fumbles affect passer rating? Not the magic fairy dust ESPN QBR, the real one.
     
  15. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I may be mistaken, but they're only included in the ESPN QBR.
     
  16. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, it's defintely Ajayi's fault that behind him the QB tries to scramble through him.

    It was a terrible play by Moore.
     
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  17. Rock Sexton

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    It's a freak of nature play man. MM8 is doing exactly what he should - recognizing the edge rushers early (in under 2 seconds) and climbs the pocket. Harrison is engaged with Ajayi then tosses him like a projectile weapon. The collision causes the fumble.

    How the hell can Matt keep the ball perfectly secure while also climbing the pocket and surveying the field? Harrison threw Jay Train so hard it literally turned him around in pirouette-like fashion.
     
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  18. cbrad

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    No, passer rating only looks at completion%, Y/A, TD% and INT%.

    But you bring up a good point. A very simple way to improve the correlation of passer rating to win% is to replace INT% in passer rating with "turnover percentage by the QB", meaning (INT+QB fumbles)/Att. We know this would help because turnover differential correlates very highly with win%.
     
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  19. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    The fumble was Moore's fault. Jay didn't knock anything out.
     
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  20. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    lol....That isn't even close to how that happened. Harrison pushed jay back, but Moore was unaware of his surroundings and ran right into him.
     
  21. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Please retitle this "The Disgruntled Blame Thread"
     
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  22. Fin-O

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    I blame Moore for 2 of the 3...yes he faced a free blitzer on the fumble....but he saw him and should've just taken the sack. The INT was 100% on him, he didn't see the defender.

    The other fumble he tried to escape pressure and Jay stopped his progress and the defender who came in was able to catch up and knock it out.

    It's Moore in a nutshell, he improvised and made plays when the protection broke down, he also turned the ball over when the protection broke down.

    By no means do I feel like he lost the game for us however.


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  23. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, I just watched it again. The defender goes right past the initial blocker, and Ajayi tries to block him, while at the same time, Moore starts trying to go upfield. Ajayi can't really block the rusher, due to momentum, and gets pushed back and turned around, and Moore runs into him. Should never have been a fumble, though.
     
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  24. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    No way...according to some he was picked up, thrown 200ft in the air, spun around like a top, and in Japanese anime style thrown into Moore (you could see the wind from the speed in which he was traveling)...and upon being thrown into Moore, Jay uses his karate to knock the ball from Moore's hands.
     
  25. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    No.

    He's unaware that Harrison could throw Ajayi two yards back into him. Remember Moore is trying to run to the right side around Ajayi.

    It's all right there in the photos and when you watch the replay at live speed.
     
  26. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    He took off when he saw Harrison, but carried the ball low and with one hand. The fumble was 100% his fault. The sack was 100% the o-line's fault.
     
  27. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Harrison didn't throw anyone...lol
     
  28. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Bullsh***t man. Ya somehow Ajayi just marches himself back 2 years. Right! smh
     
  29. danmarino

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    Read my first reply to your hyperbole. I said Jay was pushed back. He wasn't however, "thrown" or "tossed like a projectile" or any of the other ridiculous things you wrote. lol
     
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  30. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I voted the Pats out of the playoffs because they lost to the hapless Bills.
     
  31. cbrad

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    Regarding the schedule being weak argument.. while that's true, so what? There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking advantage of an easy schedule. Many teams have done that and had success in the playoffs and I think the proper mentality is just "it's our turn now"!

    Here's an article that shows you how recent playoff teams took advantage of a weak schedule:
    http://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/1/12...anthers-strength-of-schedule-seahawks-preview

    2014 - The Cowboys went 12-4 on the 31st-ranked schedule and lost in the divisional round, 26-21 to the Packers. The Ravens went 10-6 on the 30th-ranked schedule and lost in the divisional round to the Patriots, 35-31. The Steelers went 11-5 on the 29th-ranked schedule and lost to Baltimore in the wild card.

    2013 - The Broncos went 13-3 on the 31st-ranked schedule and lost 43-8 in the Super Bowl to the Seahawks.

    2012 - The Broncos went 13-3 on the 31st-ranked schedule and lost in the divisional round 38-35 in 2OT to the Ravens. The Falcons went 13-3 on the 27th-ranked schedule and lost in the NFC Championship to the 49ers.

    2011 - The Packers went 15-1 on the 31st-ranked schedule and lost in the divisional round to the Giants, 37-20. The Saints went 13-3 on the 30th-ranked schedule and lost in the divisional round to the 49ers. The Patriots went 13-3 on the 23rd-ranked schedule and lost in the Super Bowl to the Giants. Funny enough, New York had the fourth-hardest schedule and nearly every other playoff team that year had an easy schedule.

    2010 - The Falcons went 13-3 on the 22nd-ranked schedule and lost in the divisional round 48-21 to the Packers.

    2009 - The Vikings went 12-4 on the 30th-ranked schedule and lost in the NFC Championship to the Saints. The Packers went 11-5 on the 31st-ranked schedule and lost in the wild card to the Cardinals.

    ....

    etc..
     
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  32. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Im so proud of this team and i dont care what anyone says.

    Matt Moore may not be a franchise guy but ill go to battle with him any day. Noone would have blamed him for sitting the rest of the game let alone a series after that hit. I really did tear up seeing him come out so fast after i thought his career might be over.

    The defense was overmatched in every way but they didnt quit either. After that 14-0 start it was 16-12 the rest of the way.

    Everyone on this team deserves a pat on the back. I dont care if the defender was beat every play...noone quit. As a fan they gave me all i could ask for.
     
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  33. invid

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    This may be sort of reductionist, but the argument about Matt Moore's protection on that play, and the consequence of the play because of the lack of protection, is reminiscent of another argument that's been held on this site quite a few times over.. just about a different guy.
     
  34. Rock Sexton

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    Crafty *** play by Harrison. Sees Moore running right and launches Ajayi into him. If that was an actual O-lineman trying to lock him up, Moore likely gets around the right side.

    Although it's more logical Ajayi turned himself around and blatantly ran into Moore 2 yards back right?

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  35. resnor

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    Yeah, was horrible oline play on both fumbles...but neither should have been a fumble.
     
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  36. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree. If the pocket gets messy you gotta protect the football no matter what until you know you're clear.
     
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  37. Fin-O

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    Results withstanding, I like the effort to keep the play alive on this play. He wasn't going to be able to manage the game and us win.
     
  38. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I still can't figure out how Moore can protect himself from a guy being thrown into him.
     
  39. invid

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    Actually, now looking at that replay, it looks as if Ajayi is peeling off Harrison to pick up Mike Mitchell, and did that at the same moment Harrison gave him a shove.

    Edit: Maybe not, Ajayi might have just gotten owned.
     
  40. invid

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    It's almost as if atrocious offensive line play can affect a quarterback's play in serious ways. Do you see where I'm going with this?
     
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