Just happened to catch Kelly's Saturday show with Adam Kuperstein and he mentioned that the Patriots have interest in Matty R. He'd make sense, but his problem is, he cannot stay healthy: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ts-4-3-defensive-ends3-4-outside-linebackers/ Typically when a player's performance drops suddenly it is due to injury, at 28 though, and his ability to set the edge, the Patriots may take a shot on him.
Well, Roth sets the edge so effectively and the Jest and Us are power running teams, he would make sense for them, any passrush would be a bonus. Hartline broke his finger trying to block Roth.
Cutting Matt Roth after his transition to OLB might have been a mistake. Set the edge and five sacks. Roth ends up a Patriot....Wouldn't shock me really. Don't forget my stance on LB's Pod....
He was one of my favorite draft picks in years when we took him. I guess the chances of him ever playing for Miami again are between slim and none?
And that's why he was cut along with the lying his *** off. Yet people wanted to make it a conspiracy about the front office. Matt Roth has been injured in every season he's played in so the Pats can have the guy.
Yeah, I really liked Roth the Barbarian's game, with Misi in camp they won't pay very much for Roth and imo he always wanted a Starters Contract, he wants the bucks. Nothing wrong with that but it means no more Miami for him.
If that's so, he played through them in most every case. In his first 4 seasons in Miami he played in 16 games 3 times and 13 games once. 2009 is where he missed time due to injury. He played in 4 games for us, then went to Cleveland and started the last 6 games of the season for them. In 2010 he started all 16 games. I'd say he durability is better than most players, missing 9 games in 6 years. I'm not sure we will ever totally know the true or complete story of 2009 when it comes to Roth and the Dolphins.
It's logical to me he would, since he is a starting quality player. He did really well as our OLB in 2008 and again for the Browns since he has been there. It is a moot point though most likely. However I'd like to have him for the Sam and move Misi inside next to Dansby.
Well he sort of did Mr C, Roth's problem is he cannot stay healthy, when he is healthy he is a certified beast of a player, as PFF showed though, huge dropoff between the guy in week #5 and week #11, he has serious groin issues that seem to dog him since he was a newb in Miami. Add in he wants a multi yr, multi million dollar deal and the risk reward just was not there in the Dolphins AND Browns opinion.
Switching to a Jauron 4-3, unless they think he is a LDE something tbh he was never particularly good at in Miami even with JT across from him. Recall the jokes about Roth and his T-Rex lengthed arms? That is not as much of an issue at OLB.
Do not know for sure Mr C, but I follow the Browns Blogger Tony Grossi and he has said they signed whom they planned on keeping like Seneca Wallace, and has never mentioned Roth being in their plans, in 2010 prior to the season they just paid him his tender offer which makes me think they are not too interested in keeping him.
Roth was injured again and was still whining for a long term contract. Really if Roth had just shut his mouth the entire time and not lied about any injuries he probably would have had one. His agent has done a poor job with him.
Someone posted a while back that in 2008, Roth had more combined pressures and sacks than Porter in less attempts.
I do not believe they pay edge rushers for what they did 3 seasons ago, and Roth benefitted from Porter's standout season. If the pats sign him and wish to set him up at ROLB or RDE, by all means, hope they do so.
I don't like the thought of him being a role player (almost all of Belichick's LB's are used this way) in their scheme, personally. Them rotating snaps between him and a developing Cunningham doesn't make me too happy.
Yessir, and with 2 power running teams in the AFCE, he makes sense for them, his passrushing skills would be a bonus imo. Matty R can really set an edge.
Bruschi pointed out that when he was in NE, they just signed Lb's, Roth would be in that mold, but I think he would want more money then the patsies would be willing to pay, that has been Roth's itch for the last 2.5 yrs. A team that would also make sense would be the Jets, they could waive B Thomas and pay Roth the same money.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they paid him the money he wants, whatever it may be. They are willing to pay if they feel it will help them. I think him in a head up 6 or a shaded 7 technique could really be helpful to them.
If he stays healthy Alen, and I wonder how much the A Thomas signing effects their view on big contracts for Vet Fa Lb's? They signed TBC and Ninkovich to low calorie deals, to then pay Roth the 10 million up front 3 yr deal?
I don't see why they wouldn't strongly consider it. Its not all that easy to find bulldozers at the POA. Roth is one of those types and the health concerns are not really concerns once you reduce his snap count, which they would do IMO.
Because the last 3 seasons he has dealt with groin issues? in 08 he had to have surgery, missed 6 games in 09, signed with the browns, then started off 2010 great, then his play plummeted back to "average", my own personal rule is when a veterans' production drops in the same scheme and they are not approaching the Age of the Cliff they are probably playing with injuries. And I cannot see them dropping large contracts on a role player, does not seem to fit what they do in new england.
I don't think its a large contract. I also don't think he'll ask for a large contract. It wouldn't surprise me if they sign him but it also wouldn't surprise me if they don't sign him and just stick with Ninkovich and Cunningham.
I think a big part of that is that teams aren't looking in the right places. What is Matt Roth? He was a(purportedly) 290 pound defensive end who wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire as a 2-gap DE in a psuedo 3-4 defense. He made a couple of nice plays(Throwing that guard to the ground and forcing a fumble in 2006 as a Nickel DT off the top of my head), but he was largely ineffective, and I'd go so far as to say he lost more than he won. The Dolphins slimmed him down some(But kept him oversized), and basically made his job description beating the mortal **** out of tight ends on the run game. I think that a pretty big portion of Roth's success is that he's a power mismatch vs. tight ends, that his money situation involves him having a full-grown 5-technique next to him limiting how he's going to be blocked. He's not that good of a pass rusher, nor is he that good at coverage even in the context of a 3-4 OLB. Ikaika Alama-Francis proves you can't really do it with any jerk-off you find, but what about, say, Wallace Gilberry? A guy who plays DT, and has been a quality pass rusher and solid run defender as a what, 270-something pound nickel sub?
I'd add Q Moses onto that list as well, though with Ike he was in his first yr as a OLB after playing DT, I have never seen his PFF numbers posted (along with Q, Murtha, McQuistan either) though I did try to keep an eye on him during games. Struck me that Ike was more or less running around rather than as the Te mauler that Roth was, Ike had -0- in the way of passrush moves either. Ike's game did not seem violent to me, neither did Q's, but unlike Q Ike is only moving into yr #2 as a OLB, so his potential is maybe still there, maybe not, he was sort of dealt the same hand as Roth was in 2008, bulk up, then slim down to plan SOLB when he had never played there.
