Opinions on John Beck

"padre31 wrote:

Eh, Beck is a guy who the game never slowed down for

"RavensD wrote:

Ouch...I kind of was getting this impression and you've confirmed that. It's frustrating to see that. We can relate as well, Boller had all the physical tools but absolutely lacked the mental capacity that is necessary.
But this also surprises me, because I recall Beck was very intelligent and had "football smarts" coming out of college.

He does have football "smarts". That's not the problem Padre is referring to. He's very cereberal, almost TOO cereberal. Once the game does slow down, his mental sharpness will shine through. We've seen this sort of thing before with guys like Gannon, Garcia, Brad Johnson, etc. He's a late bloomer who wil NOT be outworked. Having time to marinade under Cam's tutelage is what he needed fromt the beginning. If things finally "click" for him, he could be something special with that rifle of an arm and quick release.

RavensD, welcome, we are happy that you've joined us.

IMHO you have a Diamond that only needs polishing. As StLouisFinFan stated John will not be out worked and will always give 110%. While Im sure that Flacco is your starter for years to come I really believe that Johnny can and will beat out Smith. And if nothing else will be a great value at the end of the year for the Ravens. If Flacco gets hurt and John gets a chence to show his stuff I don't think you will be disappointed.

**My secret hope is that John comes back and beats the poop out of us, we shall see.:wink2::up:

P.S. Please come back and give us your thoughts after seeing John for yourself. I'm sure it will be an interesting read.:up:

You have a player that has the tools to be very good. That's if he can get over being thrown into the fire behind a line that could not pass protect to save their own lives. He was getting killed within 1.5 seconds of taking the snap so many times that he was shell shocked and never seemed to recover from it.

For the price, he is worth the look for you guys.

"gafinfan wrote:

**My secret hope is that John comes back and beats the poop out of us, we shall see.:wink2::up:

:pity:

Here is a gif compilation I made of him during his 2007 exhibition season.You can see his carelessness with the football as has been mentioned .I do believe he will turn out to be better than Troy Smith.

2007 JB Exhibition Perf video by bytesandbits - Photobucket

Beck had a huge fan base in Miami before he ever threw a pass. Personally I never understood why. He's a short QB who plays even smaller. He'll never be a QB who can put the team on his shoulders. He's a guy who's accurate up to twenty yards but floats the deeper throws. He gets nervous when things don't go according to plan and it lead him to a meltdown when he was here. The kind of run heavy offense you run in baltimore is probably the best chance for him. If you guys cut him he's probably out of the league. Troy Smith should win the 2nd string battle but cameron likes beck for some reason so who knows

"gafinfan wrote:

RavensD, welcome, we are happy that you've joined us.

IMHO you have a Diamond that only needs polishing. As StLouisFinFan stated John will not be out worked and will always give 110%. While Im sure that Flacco is your starter for years to come I really believe that Johnny can and will beat out Smith. And if nothing else will be a great value at the end of the year for the Ravens. If Flacco gets hurt and John gets a chence to show his stuff I don't think you will be disappointed.

**My secret hope is that John comes back and beats the poop out of us, we shall see.:wink2::up:

P.S. Please come back and give us your thoughts after seeing John for yourself. I'm sure it will be an interesting read.:up:

WOAA! Hold on there, buddy. I like John Beck. But if we play him, I hope we own him like the Jets owned him, lol.

"adamprez2003 wrote:

Beck had a huge fan base in Miami before he ever threw a pass. Personally I never understood why. He's a short QB who plays even smaller. He'll never be a QB who can put the team on his shoulders. He's a guy who's accurate up to twenty yards but floats the deeper throws. He gets nervous when things don't go according to plan and it lead him to a meltdown when he was here. The kind of run heavy offense you run in baltimore is probably the best chance for him. If you guys cut him he's probably out of the league. Troy Smith should win the 2nd string battle but cameron likes beck for some reason so who knows

I can see Beck winning it.

Great maturity, professionalism, and atheticism. Got thrown into a bad situation with cam the first time and should be handled with care. Sky's the limit for him.

"pocoloco wrote:

He's poor man's Joey Harrington

LOL!!! That's a ringing endorsement. Ouch! :D

RavensD you will be hating John Beck in no time. He's a human turnover machine, he has no confidence in the pocket, he has a case of happy feets, veterans on this team didn't like him and he is not a true leader of men. He's a white Ray Lucas.

"adamprez2003 wrote:

Beck had a huge fan base in Miami before he ever threw a pass. Personally I never understood why. He's a short QB who plays even smaller. He'll never be a QB who can put the team on his shoulders. He's a guy who's accurate up to twenty yards but floats the deeper throws. He gets nervous when things don't go according to plan and it lead him to a meltdown when he was here. The kind of run heavy offense you run in baltimore is probably the best chance for him. If you guys cut him he's probably out of the league. Troy Smith should win the 2nd string battle but cameron likes beck for some reason so who knows

Exactly!

John Beck couldn't beat out Josh McCown in TC last year. That's really all you need to know. We got lucky the Jets got Favre and Pennington fell into our laps.

The only reason we kept Beck and got rid of McCown was because we at least got something for McCown.

Edit: From what we saw of Troy Smith in 2007, which Ravens team wasn't much better than the 2007 Dolphins, he was a lot better than Beck in regular season games

"RavensD wrote:

Hey guys,

As my name suggests, I'm a Ravens fan and see that there is already a thread about Beck leaving Miami, but I just wanted to get everyone's opinions on Beck and what you think we (Baltimore) should expect from him.

I liked him a lot coming into the league and was hoping to land him in the Draft if he fell to us, but since that didn't pan out and he never got a starting job with the Fins I pretty much stopped following him.

What does he bring to the table for us? Should Flacco get hurt, would he be a better replacement than Troy Smith? Also, why was he never given a chance to start in Miami?

Thanks for any input!

Welcome... IMO, he doesnt have anywhere close to what it takes to be evena 2nd stringer. I think he belongs moreso in a 3rd stringer role.

I was an avid Beck fan until this last years training camp. for just about all of the 2008 offseason he worked exclusivley with david lee, our QB coach, throwing roughly 10,000 balls even before TC started. All together during that offseason he must have thrown around 13,000 balls, but unfortunately, the practice did not help. We had McCown, Henne and Beck in last years TC and he was by far the last on the DC. Although for the most part I think he has a strong arm and at times a great spiral, it seems he has no pocket awareness and can be easily forced into making mistakes. The worst thing about him though is his propensity to fumble... especially snaps... In 2007 he took 107 snaps and had 7 fumbles in 5 games (5 lost). That equates to roughly 20 fumbles/year... I believe half of those were snaps... those woes continuned into the 2008 offseason as he fumbles a snap at least once during the preseason...

I wish him luck but I personally do not see the talent, which is probably why he only recieved a 1 year contract. Troy Smith IMO is the better of the two.

He reminds me of Drew Brees, who you will remember was awful his first 2.5 seasons in the NFL. Give this kid some time to learn behind a solid OL and running game and I think you will be pleasantly surprised by his game.

I'm not convinced Beck can beat out Todd Bouman for the 3rd string gig.

"surferosa wrote:

He reminds me of Drew Brees, who you will remember was awful his first 2.5 seasons in the NFL. Give this kid some time to learn behind a solid OL and running game and I think you will be pleasantly surprised by his game.

I dont think the two are anything alike. San Diego was a horrid team when brees got there and he managed to pass for over 3k and more TD's than picks in his 1st year starting. I can't see Beck having that type of success, nd for the simple fact that Beck does not possess even the simplist fundamentals of the position. Handling the snap from center, handing off the ball to the runner, has bad footwork... those are just from what i have seen and Im not even trained.

Its not like he wasnt given a chance. He went through 2 full training camps and OTA's while working exclusively with Lee. Maybe its his grip or whatever, but when you fumble as much as he does, as a QB, after all the practice and special attention he recieved, its not a recipe for success.

"RavensD wrote:

Hey guys,

As my name suggests, I'm a Ravens fan and see that there is already a thread about Beck leaving Miami, but I just wanted to get everyone's opinions on Beck and what you think we (Baltimore) should expect from him.

I liked him a lot coming into the league and was hoping to land him in the Draft if he fell to us, but since that didn't pan out and he never got a starting job with the Fins I pretty much stopped following him.

What does he bring to the table for us? Should Flacco get hurt, would he be a better replacement than Troy Smith? Also, why was he never given a chance to start in Miami?

Thanks for any input!

Welcome.

He was given a shot at starting, but it was like learning to swim by being thrown in the ocean. He didn't fare to well, and he was unable to secure a #2 spot on the roster behind Pennington. I think he has a lot of potential, but I don't know if he'll realize it, perhaps the change of scenery will do him good. Cam saw something he liked in him twice.

All the conflicting opinions are due to the fact that no one really knows what Beck can and cannot do. However, we can all agree that he got thrown to the wolves last year, playing behind a terrible o-line with terrible receivers.

The problem is that he's not 22. He's 28. I don't believe he's "scarred for life" or "lost his confidence forever". However, once he gets ready to play in the NFL, he'll be old.

Nobody really has a properly informed opinion on the guy. Take this whole thread with a huge grain of salt.

"opfinistic wrote:

Welcome.

He was given a shot at starting, but it was like learning to swim by being thrown in the ocean. He didn't fare to well, and he was unable to secure a #2 spot on the roster behind Pennington. I think he has a lot of potential, but I don't know if he'll realize it, perhaps the change of scenery will do him good. Cam saw something he liked in him twice.

"GARDENHEAD wrote:

All the conflicting opinions are due to the fact that no one really knows what Beck can and cannot do. However, we can all agree that he got thrown to the wolves last year, playing behind a terrible o-line with terrible receivers..

yes, this is true, and i somewhat agree with the whole getting thrown to the wolves scenario, however my concern lies with the fact that there was no progress shown at all by Beck in year 2. every mistake he made in yr 1, he did not correct and followed him into yr 2.

Perhaps a change of scenery would do, but I also think there were 2 reasons cam gave him another chance;

1) Cam wants to try his hardest to make sure his draft pick does not fail,
2) Cam owes him, probably feels bad for him (we all know Cam is a soft hearted dude), feels somewhat responsible for his developmental issues and gave him a contract, albeit only for 1 year..

"dolpns13 wrote:

yes, this is true, and i somewhat agree with the whole getting thrown to the wolves scenario, however my concern lies with the fact that there was no progress shown at all by Beck in year 2. every mistake he made in yr 1, he did not correct and followed him into yr 2.

Perhaps a change of scenery would do, but I also think there were 2 reasons cam gave him another chance;

1) Cam wants to try his hardest to make sure his draft pick does not fail,
2) Cam owes him, probably feels bad for him (we all know Cam is a soft hearted dude), feels somewhat responsible for his developmental issues and gave him a contract, albeit only for 1 year..

OK we've mention C - a - m's name enough for one day. I'm feeling ill.

"opfinistic wrote:

OK we've mention C - a - m's name enough for one day. I'm feeling ill.

Just think how the Lions feel :sad:

RavensD you got a smart, eager QB who can not perform when the chips are down. Supposedly he's talented and accurate but he played well very mediocre and fumbled a lot in games. And when the new regime came in they tried him out and checked him out before the draft and didn't like what they saw. They brought in Chad Henne, Josh McKown and he couldn't beat any of them in TC.

Here's a way to put it in perspective. When we got rid of Josh McKown we traded him away for a 7th rounder. No one was willing to even give us that for John Beck.

"dolpns13 wrote:

Just think how the Lions feel :sad:

http://forums.thephins.com/showpost.php?p=699870&postcount=92

Pretty damn cocky for some reason. Must've put kool aid in the water supply in Detroit.

"opfinistic wrote:

http://forums.thephins.com/showpost.php?p=699870&postcount=92

Pretty damn cocky for some reason. Must've put kool aid in the water supply in Detroit.

Is this guy nuts?... The "rebuilding since 1957" Detriot Lions are in for a surprise if they think Stafford is going to taker them out of the toilet that is Detriot. The stafford pick was horrible. They should have went with the much safer pick in Curry. They chose QB, TE, Safety, LB, DT, RB, LB, OT... They didnt take an OT tackle, which was a glaring need for them, (and with a rookie QB, a priority IMO), until the freakin 7th round. Who is going to protect the little guy? The fords must love going winless, because they could very well have a repeat of last year.